Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I would agree - and I do wonder if the issues in attack are linked to the issues in defence. I mean, partly it obviously is, but I wonder how much.

Two CMs tasked to sit more than attack; is this a general approach to football or a result of Jose not trusting the defence. The distribution from the backline into the midfield isn't crisp or quick enough and the general inability of our centre backs to commit a midfielder and create a new passing lane hampers the movement in midfield through to attack.

On the wings, how much does defence also feed in to it? If we had a better left back would Jose look for less protection for, and less conservatism from, our left back? Would they become a better source of width? Maybe looking at Cole in defence for his better chelsea sides?

I do think Jose planned on Bailly and Lindelof being his first choice pairing and being better (or available) than they have been. Lindelof has the ability on the ball to be a great ball playing centre back, who can bring our midfield and attack quickly into the game. But his defending hasn't been consistently good enough to actually get him into the side. Bailly is also very good on the ball and at bringing it forward, but has been injured from basically the season. Had those two been as good (and available) as Jose would have planned on, would that have changed the dynamic of the side from back to front?

Our main stack FBs dont have the ability to stetch defences young being right footed mainly cant get down the line easy or play passes down the line well everything is inside with him.

Valencia while being correctly footed is just so poor going forward that teams don't have to worry too much about him if he gets the ball sprint out show him inside and 95% of the time he does backwards.

I do think good or very good full backs would create much more space for the team going forward its hard to gauage how much it would improve the attack. I reckon a fair bit.

Crimson King

yabadabado wrote: »

Get 50m back on sales.

If reports are to be believed (big 'if' probably) and Zaha does go to City for £40M + then I believe United could be entitled to as much as 50% of that fee. Can't find a link but I remember reading that at the time and explains why we bought him for £10M (possibly rising to £15M which never happened of course) and then sold him back for a paltry sum, something like £3.5M plus the sell on agreement.

I don't remember if it was Jordan or Parish who revealed the agreement. Although maybe others have more info on the agreement.

DM_7

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

They are in transition for a decade now, they'll be in phase 2 of it for another few seasons while the new manager sorts out the dross.

United are approaching a decade now tbh.

MagicIRL

DM_7 wrote: »

United are approaching a decade now tbh.

If a decade has suddenly been reduced to 5 years, yeah sure.

DM_7

MagicIRL wrote: »

If a decade has suddenly been reduced to 5 years, yeah sure.

You don't think the time Vidic, Evra, Rio, Scholes, Giggs were coming to the end would count?

Lord TSC

Reports Lukaku has dumped Railoa for jayZ management company, and that Pogbabis considering following suit.

MagicIRL

DM_7 wrote: »

You don't think the time Vidic, Evra, Rio, Scholes, Giggs were coming to the end would count?

Oh, I thought you meant from the time Fergie left. My mistake.

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

Reports Lukaku has dumped Railoa for jayZ management company, and that Pogbabis considering following suit.

They confirmed it on their Instagram, they are Roc nation Sports.Edit: he also confirmed it himself yesterday
Post from yesterday:

https://instagram.com/p/BhwIx8qBu5j/

Trigger

Place is quiet today..

So..

Runny egg on a breakfast roll anyone?

:pac:

yourdeadwright

astradave wrote: »

Lord TSC wrote: »

Reports Lukaku has dumped Railoa for jayZ management company, and that Pogbabis considering following suit.

They confirmed it on their Instagram, they are Roc nation Sports.Edit: he also confirmed it himself yesterday
Post from yesterday:

https://instagram.com/p/BhwIx8qBu5j/

His celebration when he scored was the Rockafella sign Jay Z throws up ,

threein99

DM_7 wrote: »

United are approaching a decade now tbh.

By that logic we are approaching a century since we won it

adox

astradave wrote: »

Place is quiet today..

So..

Runny egg on a breakfast roll anyone?

:pac:

Poached eggs. Runny yokes. Some toast and some bacon.

The official breakfast of Manchester United.

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

Place is quiet today..

So..

Runny egg on a breakfast roll anyone?

:pac:

Runny Egg makes me projecticle vomit.

Trigger

pjohnson wrote: »

Runny Egg makes me projecticle vomit.

Is there anything you do like? Don’t like pizza don’t like runny eggs

TheDoc

adox wrote: »

Now that youve thrown your hat in the ring you need to declare your allegiance. #teampineapple

Pineapple has no place on a pizza ;P

TheDoc

J. Marston wrote: »

Isn't he another left winger who cuts in on his right? Need another one of them like a hole in the head.

Striker I believe. (See people mention LW, but Silva was getting a tune out of him playing up front)

And he hasn't done a tap in months. No idea why we would be even remotely looking at him. He's like the striker Van Gaal wanted from Watford, except has been a quicker flash in the pan.

That's one of those that I'd consider a proper garbage link, as there is absolutely no way he should be coming near the club.

Also, that agent switch. That's significant? Part of me is like, why would top players drop a top agent for a new player in the market, run by a former rapper? Am I reading this right? JayZ is still like, that rubbish rapper who married Beyonce, its not some new term right?

I'm so confused....

Lord TSC

TheDoc wrote: »

Pineapple has no place on a pizza ;P

Must we always be in opposite sides of things Doc

TheDoc

Lord TSC wrote: »

Must we always be in opposite sides of things Doc

I know that's what I'm saying, Was reading who was liking pineapple thinking "they are going to think I'm doing this on purpose"



We both love lukaku though so there is that

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

Is there anything you do like? Don’t like pizza don’t like runny eggs

My body is insane. I ALSO have some kind of half/mild lactose intolerance thing that means I also projectile vomit if confronted with or consume or see someone else drinking pure straight milk. I can have it totally fine in tea and cereal for some reason. I also fail brilliantly at processing any type of cheese and if I do I develop temporary tinnitus until it leaves my body.

brinty

i don't have a gall bladder any more but i love all the fried foods and pizza's and breakfast rolls and dairy etc.... #madeoftougherstuff

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Striker I believe. (See people mention LW, but Silva was getting a tune out of him playing up front)

And he hasn't done a tap in months. No idea why we would be even remotely looking at him. He's like the striker Van Gaal wanted from Watford, except has been a quicker flash in the pan.

That's one of those that I'd consider a proper garbage link, as there is absolutely no way he should be coming near the club.

Also, that agent switch. That's significant? Part of me is like, why would top players drop a top agent for a new player in the market, run by a former rapper? Am I reading this right? JayZ is still like, that rubbish rapper who married Beyonce, its not some new term right?

I'm so confused....

I think what makes it significant is that we no longer have to deal with Raiola with regards to Lukaku, if Pogba switches as well Romero would be his only client at United, that in itself would be a good thing

TheDoc

astradave wrote: »

I think what makes it significant is that we no longer have to deal with Raiola with regards to Lukaku, if Pogba switches as well Romero would be his only client at United, that in itself would be a good thing

Yeah it's a big deal isn't it? I don't know how that works in terms of the players, I always assumed players moved agents to get a better one, or the one they had annoyed them or whatever.

But moving to this type of agency, total new kid on the block? That a bit risky?

Point I'm getting at, wondering if they got some mad $$$ to move.

The club not having to deal with Raiola anymore is pretty good. And if Pogba moves, I'd imagine its because he knows he isnt going anywhere and won't be leaving the club in the forseable future.

That's good news for me. I don't think Pogba changes agents if he knows he needs a move in the summer

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Yeah it's a big deal isn't it? I don't know how that works in terms of the players, I always assumed players moved agents to get a better one, or the one they had annoyed them or whatever.

But moving to this type of agency, total new kid on the block? That a bit risky?

Point I'm getting at, wondering if they got some mad $$$ to move.

The club not having to deal with Raiola anymore is pretty good. And if Pogba moves, I'd imagine its because he knows he isnt going anywhere and won't be leaving the club in the forseable future.

That's good news for me. I don't think Pogba changes agents if he knows he needs a move in the summer

In fairness some very big names in US sports are with them, they ain’t exactly novices like. They negotiate multimillion dollar deals for players all the time, though in the US they would predominantly deal with contracts with clubs and sponsors for the player. They have been going a good few years now

Will I Am Not

All this talk about food and breakfast in particular... It’s a slippery slope. It will be pandas next, then you’ll be calling each other saps and the transformation will be complete. You’ll be Liverpool fans from 4 years ago.
We need to win a big trophy badly for our own sakes.

yabadabado

Roc Nation have a fairly large stable of American sports stars so not new on the scene but new to football which may mean some teething problems.
Iirc they did make a fair balls of the Ward fight they promoted recently.

Trigger

Here’s an article by Forbes about them, before Lukaku they had contract values of 900m between 33 sport stars. Some pretty big names on their client list like Kevin Durant and Robinson Cano, as well as Cespedes who would be one of the highest earners at the Mets.

https://www.forbes.com/companies/rocnation/

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

They confirmed it on their Instagram, they are Roc nation Sports.Edit: he also confirmed it himself yesterday
Post from yesterday:

https://instagram.com/p/BhwIx8qBu5j/

Just when you think you can't like lukaku more this guy is going to overtake Mata and Herrera in lovabelness soon.

pjohnson

Will I Am Not wrote: »

All this talk about food and breakfast in particular... It’s a slippery slope. It will be pandas next, then you’ll be calling each other saps and the transformation will be complete. You’ll be Liverpool fans from 4 years ago.
We need to win a big trophy badly for our own sakes.

Theres nothing wrong with pandas tbh

TheDoc

astradave wrote: »

In fairness some very big names in US sports are with them, they ain’t exactly novices like. They negotiate multimillion dollar deals for players all the time, though in the US they would predominantly deal with contracts with clubs and sponsors for the player. They have been going a good few years now

Ah ok.

First time I've heard of them

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

Also, that agent switch. That's significant? Part of me is like, why would top players drop a top agent for a new player in the market, run by a former rapper? Am I reading this right? JayZ is still like, that rubbish rapper who married Beyonce, its not some new term right?

I'm so confused....

I would assume Riola would be better at getting transfers and contracts - so moving to someone that (again, I assume) is far more marketing based would indicate no massive interest in leaving the club any time soon.

Mitch Connor

astradave wrote: »

Here’s an article by Forbes about them, before Lukaku they had contract values of 900m between 33 sport stars. Some pretty big names on their client list like Kevin Durant and Robinson Cano, as well as Cespedes who would be one of the highest earners at the Mets.

https://www.forbes.com/companies/rocnation/

Would there be the same level of trying to sort moves as you would have in football though?

They would have no contacts or network built up at the big clubs, and in America there really aren't transfers - there are club driven trades, where the contract can just be transfered to the new team. Renewals would be huge though.

Rossi IRL

TheDoc wrote: »

Pineapple has no place on a pizza ;P

What about sweetcorn?

paulbok

Rossi IRL wrote: »

What about sweetcorn?

Pepperoni, mushroom, sweetcorn & pineapple.

#1 pizza

Rossi IRL

paulbok wrote: »

Pepperoni, mushroom, sweetcorn & pineapple.

#1 pizza

Lost me at mushroom M8 and I have low standards.

Mars Bar

paulbok wrote: »

Pepperoni, mushroom, sweetcorn & pineapple.

#1 pizza

Mushroom, pepperoni, ham and pineapple is my pizza. This pizza talk is killing me! Can't wait to have one tomorrow evening.

paulbok

Mars Bar wrote: »

Mushroom, pepperoni, ham and pineapple is my pizza. This pizza talk is killing me! Can't wait to have one tomorrow evening.

I know, I'd murder one now after all this :pac::pac:

Liam McPoyle

So how we gonna line out tomorrow?

jayo26

Business Cat wrote: »

So how we gonna line out tomorrow?

Ham and peperonie on top and and half pineapple for the freaks and mushroom on other half.

Thick crust with a nice save filling on the edges.

Lord TSC

Business Cat wrote: »

So how we gonna line out tomorrow?

Pineapple
Ham - Chicken - Sweetcorn
Mushrooms - Peppers
Cheese - Pepperoni - Onion - Ground Beef
Tomato Sauce

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would there be the same level of trying to sort moves as you would have in football though?

They would have no contacts or network built up at the big clubs, and in America there really aren't transfers - there are club driven trades, where the contract can just be transfered to the new team. Renewals would be huge though.

They wouldn’t really have any say in trades as such as it’s all driven by the GM’s of teams, players don’t even get a say in it really.

Saying that I’m sure Lukaku would know that so I think it’s actually a good thing that he has done this as it makes it look like he wants to be at United indefinitely

Trigger

Pizza is definitely pepperoni salami bacon for me

Rossi IRL

Peperoni, Chicken, Sweetcorn, Garlic Shake and a BBQ Base.

Think that puts the pizza argument to bed.

Either that or I'll be getting blocked by alot of ye.

paulbok

Lord TSC wrote: »

Pineapple
Ham - Chicken - Sweetcorn
Mushrooms - Peppers
Cheese - Pepperoni - Onion - Ground Beef
Tomato Sauce

I'd have chilli in for onion

paulbok

jayo26 wrote: »

Ham and peperonie on top and and half pineapple for the freaks and mushroom on other half.

Thick crust with a nice save filling on the edges.

God no, has to be a thin crust.

Loafing Oaf

Got a Super Valu chicken/ham/salami one in the fridge. Gonna add some onion and sweetcorn before I cook it later on.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

You've got a semi-final tomorrow, and you'll talking about pizza...??

pjohnson

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You've got a semi-final tomorrow, and you'll talking about pizza...??

Would you prefer we discussed bacon?

paulbok

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You've got a semi-final tomorrow, and you'll talking about pizza...??

Yes, yes we are

paulbok

pjohnson wrote: »

Would you prefer we discussed bacon?

Dry cured back bacon. None of that American streaky sh1te

Hotblack Desiato

pjohnson wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with pandas tbh

Can never finish a whole one.