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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #3152
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Cristiano Ronaldo's mother wanted to abort him as they were poor, but her doctor didn't support the decision. She said Cristiano knows and from her biography she said "He told me he found out, 'look mum, you wanted to abort and now I'm the one who's pulling the purse string in the house'"
    She had a good doctor and it ended up transforming her life and that of her family.

    And the woman whose doctor pushed her not to have an abortion and rather than growing up to be a millionaire footballer the child grew up to be a heroin addict? What about her? Is her life wonderful because she couldn't get the termination she wanted?


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    #3153
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Madscientist30 wrote: »
    It is a Wordpress site I think. Protectwomenprotectthe8th.wordpress.com

    Just to note that Protectwomenprotectthe8th.ie is also theirs, it does a redirect to the wordpress site.

    .net .org .com .biz .co.uk all appear to be unclaimed.


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    #3154
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That's totally irrelevant. I know for a fact that at least one poster here will tell you herself she has no regrets and made the right choice for her family with her abortion.
    Posting hyperbole about Ronaldo trying to tug at the heartstrings has absolutely nothing to do with whether Irish women should be allowed a choice or not.

    Sounds like you support censorship and abortion stories where the mother didn't go through with it can't be mentioned...doesn't support the narrative that people want I guess.


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    #3155
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    kylith wrote: »
    And the woman whose doctor pushed her not to have an abortion and rather than growing up to be a millionaire footballer the child grew up to be a heroin addict? What about her? Is her life wonderful because she couldn't get the termination she wanted?

    Are you saying heroin addicts should be killed, which would bring far more misery to the mother?


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    #3156
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Sounds like you support censorship and abortion stories where the mother didn't go through with it can't be mentioned...doesn't support the narrative that people want I guess.

    mention them all you like. they are just irrelevant.


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    #3157
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And your point Is?

    Change the name Cristiano Ronaldo to Peter Sutcliffe, Harold Shipman or Charles Manson and tell us you would have still posted that pile of crap :rolleyes:

    Because only bad people are allowed?


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    #3158
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Back with the hyperbole and emotive stories...

    Fun times.


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    #3159
    RobertKK
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    mention them all you like. they are just irrelevant.

    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.


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    #3160
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.

    your stories are irrelevant. there are as many stories to counter it, if not more.


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    #3161
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Cristiano Ronaldo's mother wanted to abort him as they were poor, but her doctor didn't support the decision. She said Cristiano knows and from her biography she said "He told me he found out, 'look mum, you wanted to abort and now I'm the one who's pulling the purse string in the house'"
    She had a good doctor and it ended up transforming her life and that of her family.

    So?

    And you've also missed the part where he jokes with her about that, however the context you have it makes it sound serious.

    I've told you before, my mother would have considered an abortion with me, if it had been an option.

    I'm thoroughly ok with it, and still support Repeal.


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    #3162
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Are you saying heroin addicts should be killed, which would bring far more misery to the mother?

    Please point out where I said that.


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    #3163
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Sounds like you support censorship and abortion stories where the mother didn't go through with it can't be mentioned...doesn't support the narrative that people want I guess.

    I support reasonable, intelligent debate.
    You seem incapable of engaging maturely, your go-to tactic seems to be to use emotive stories and language in an effort to manipulate (who could forget your nephew story) people, and when you're called out on it, you play the victim and cry censorship.


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    #3164
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    your stories are irrelevant. there are as many stories to counter it, if not more.

    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.


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    #3165
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,592 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Because only bad people are allowed?

    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.


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    #3166
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I support reasonable, intelligent debate.
    You seem incapable of engaging maturely, your go-to tactic seems to be to use emotive stories and language in an effort to manipulate (who could forget your nephew story) people, and when you're called out on it, you play the victim and cry censorship.

    But that is not the truth.
    If they are emotive then maybe they are touching on something that is deep inside someone and something that is being repressed.
    It is censorship if you don't want certain posts posted, what else can one call it?


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    #3167
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    Your point is?


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    #3168
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    So many you name none...

    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    So???? Seriously???? What's your point???? You keep posting in this line of thinking, so you must have one??????


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    #3169
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But that is not the truth.
    If they are emotive then maybe they are touching on something that is deep inside someone and something that is being repressed.
    It is censorship if you don't want certain posts posted, what else can one call it?

    Your posts have zero effect on me, but someone less sure of their position might be guilted into voting your way. Its dishonest.
    I suppose its those people the No side are campaigning to really. Anyone sure of their position can see straight through your tactics.


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    #3170
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Is it just me and if so I'll delete the post, but say when Bertie stops posting, Robert KK comes in and when he goes out another one comes in to post. Its like they're on a roster 10 till 2 Bertie, 2 to 6 RobertKK, then Bertie is back and then..... I would block them but I'm having too much fun telling them that I don't care about their chat about UK, Canada etc, about Cristiano Ronaldo's mum - what about Peter Sutcliffes mum - whats the bet she wished she'd had an abortion - their stories are nonsensical.

    Repeal all the way - and I'm predicting 70 / 30 for repeal. Bible bashers have no say in my reproductive system


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    #3171
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Steve Jobs believed he would likely have been aborted if the US had legal abortion when he was being gestated by his mother.

    What does that really mean though? Why is that an argument against abortion?


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    #3172
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.

    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.


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    #3173
    Madscientist30
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Madscientist30


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    mention them all you like. they are just irrelevant.

    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.
    Is Ronaldo's life worth more because he is a football player? What's your point here? If you are saying that thanks to abortion not being an option a life which brought joy to millions was possible, does that mean that you are in favour of abortion as an option where the life will bring misery to others?


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    #3174
    Bannasidhe
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.

    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why the choice to be able to have an abortion is good.

    There ya go Robert. Now it's a correct statement.


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    #3175
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    What does that really mean though? Why is that an argument against abortion?

    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.


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    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    And maybe if Hitler's mother aborted Hitler we'd have never had the holocaust.

    Again, what is your point?


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    #3177
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why the choice to be able to have an abortion is good.

    There ya go Robert. Now it's a correct statement.

    There is a slight irony though if one examined it a bit closer but some would not be happy if I said what that was.


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    #3178
    Madscientist30
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Madscientist30


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    No, I'm saying if any of thier mothers had said that you definitely wouldn't have posted it because a millionaire footballers mother saying that tugs at the heartstrings of some, a serial killers mother saying that doesnt.

    It's a nice ploy Robert but people see through those little stories for what they are.

    But did their mothers say it?
    I am sure repealthe8th would use them to show why abortion is good. But maybe there is no evidence to back it up that they did want to abort them.
    Imagine if Hitler's mother had had an abortion!


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    #3179
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A life that brings joy to millions is irrelevant...that would be like saying the life of someone you love is irrelevant as the life itself is irrelevant.
    Your point is that women should be forced to go through with pregnancies because there's an infinitesimal chance that the child will grow up to become a multi-millionaire celebrity.

    Imagine saying that everyone should be forced to buy lotto tickets whether they can afford to or not?

    That's your argument.


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    #3180
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    January wrote: »
    And maybe if Hitler's mother aborted Hitler we'd have never had the holocaust.

    Again, what is your point?

    If people respected all life maybe people wouldn't see other lives being expendable.


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    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RobertKK wrote: »
    How many people who would have enriched the world for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so? Their lives instead were viewed as being a problem that needed to be sorted via an abortion.
    We could all be living in a totally different reality but we will never know due to abortion taking millions of lives.

    How many people who would have made the world considerably worse for millions of other people were never let enter the world alive to do so?


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