The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

jugger0

Dole Scrounging Vegan Crossfitter wrote: »

A big deal of info relating to the effect of the 8th and the possible outcome of repeal can be seen on this website: https://aboutthe8th.com/

I highly recommend reading the FAQ. Whatever info you had beforehand was way off

Hey thanks.

optogirl

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This poster actually enjoys watching this kind of stuff

'I'd say its curiosity for the most part, people getting run over by trains, disintegrated by explosives, decapitated, sniped in the head, ran over by a tank, burned to death.. its stuff you don't see everyday. Also at the start it was a macho thing, i'd feel like a wimp if i didn't watch them. '

Triceratops Ballet

jugger0 wrote:

Do you really think most women will sit and watch a video of baby dismemberment? Its so horrific if I was to post it I would be banned immediately.

Do you realise how condescending this comes across? We're not silly little women with notions, we know what happens we know what abortion is we don't need you to come along with your video to "educate" us

jugger0

optogirl wrote: »

But haven't you posted on other threads about enjoying watching that kind of thing? Beheadings, people being burned & maimed - your faux horror at a surgical procedure is just ridiculous

hahahaha you little creeper.

Sure look, I am voting yes. I was just horrified that people were voting for that kind of thing to be done to an unborn child, now that I know the truth and its done with a neat little pill I will still be voting yes... just far less horrified about the ordeal.

jugger0

optogirl wrote: »

This poster actually enjoys watching this kind of stuff

'I'd say its curiosity for the most part, people getting run over by trains, disintegrated by explosives, decapitated, sniped in the head, ran over by a tank, burned to death.. its stuff you don't see everyday. Also at the start it was a macho thing, i'd feel like a wimp if i didn't watch them. '

Still better than Fair City.

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optogirl

jugger0 wrote: »

hahahaha you little creeper.

Sure look, I am voting yes. I was just horrified that people were voting for that kind of thing to be done to an unborn child, now that I know the truth and its done with a neat little pill I will still be voting yes... just far less horrified about the ordeal.

You are voting yes but are horrified that other people are voting yes. It just gets more nonsensical by the second. And yes, hands up, I did go creeping but just because I couldn't believe you were for real and were perhaps a habitual troll. It turns out you're not a troll. I'm not sure what the word is for your particular malaise.

Hannibal_Smith

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Did you not earlier say it was hypocritical for someone to be in favour of abortion but against the death penalty.

Yet you dont see your own hypocrisy in enjoying videos of death and dismemberment of adults but claiming to be horrified at abortion videos?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hey look...at the end of the day it's another person trying the scare tactics and being proved wrong. So that's something at least.

jugger0

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I dont enjoy them, they are horrible but it is humanity in its most vicious form, so it is like watching a nature documentary. And I dont like watching people being killed, cartel and Isis members dont count.

jugger0

optogirl wrote: »

You are voting yes but are horrified that other people are voting yes. It just gets more nonsensical by the second. And yes, hands up, I did go creeping but just because I couldn't believe you were for real and were perhaps a habitual troll. It turns out you're not a troll. I'm not sure what the word is for your particular malaise.

Yes, voting yes while ignoring the actual procedure, thats what I thought was strange... but turns out I was wrong and I accept that. I was always going to vote yes but now I do so with even greater ease.

Zubeneschamali

jugger0 wrote: »

Im not trying to scare anyone, I just think its a big deal and people should know what happens.

Another "Yes voter" who thinks abortion is horrific and thinks everyone should watch gory videos and agree.

Hmmm.

nozzferrahhtoo

jugger0 wrote: »

Do you really think most women will sit and watch a video of baby dismemberment? Its so horrific if I was to post it I would be banned immediately.

As I said, in a post you thanked me for but do not appear to have read, such videos are not even remotely representative of well over 92% of abortions. And for those to which it is relevant they are likely having to have an abortion for reasons outside their control or desire and they are therefore already upset enough without having to view the sordid details of the procedure.

Statistically the number of women having the type of abortion you describe, who are doing it for reasons that are not entirely outside their control and desire, is almost none. So the question remains then who exactly is it you feel needs to see such things and why and what relevance does it actually have to anything?

I reckon you A) do not know and do not care what the answers to those actually are. What your agenda is is to make abortion so emotive that you cajole "no" votes out of people you are unable to actually offer arguments to.

jugger0

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

As I said, in a post you thanked me for but do not appear to have read, such videos are not even remotely representative of well over 92% of abortions. And for those does whom it is relevant they are likely having to have an abortion for reasons outside their control or desire and they are therefore already upset enough without having to view the sordid details of the procedure.

Statistically the number of women having the type of abortion you describe, who are doing it for reasons that are not entirely outside their control and desire, is almost none. So the question remains then who exactly is it you feel needs to see such things and why and what relevance does it actually have to anything?

I reckon you A) do not know and do not care what the answers to those actually are. What your agenda is is to make abortion so emotive that you cajole "no" votes out of people you are unable to actually offer arguments to.

I have no agenda, I came in here talking about something I didnt know enough about.

I do like your replies though, they are very civil and non insulting. You should be a politician.

kylith

jugger0 wrote: »

Yeah and the majority of the reasons are because they just dont want a baby.. not because they were raped or because of a dangerous medical condition, they just dont want one so they get to give it a little "death penalty". It makes more sense for criminals to be given the death penalty as they are a danger to society.

Do you think that people who don’t want to have children would be good parents?

gmisk

jugger0 wrote: »

I have no agenda, I came in here talking about something I didnt know enough about.

It didnt stop you talking about it insistently and incoherently though...so thats the main thing...well done!

nozzferrahhtoo

jugger0 wrote: »

I have no agenda, I came in here talking about something I didnt know enough about.

Perhaps you do not. That is certainly a possibility. However if so then you seriously need to change your approach to this topic. People tend to judge what you are based on your words and actions, not based on how you describe yourself. And every post so far gives the impression of literally dripping with agenda. So denying that agenda is likely to leave people very much unconvinced.

The citizens assembly have recommended legislation that offers abortion by choice up to week 12. Abortion up to and even BEYOND week 12 are medical. They are simply using a pill.

The video you are touting therefore is not relevant to anyone or anything here. Generally the only people having the type of abortion you are describing are doing so for reasons they can not control and they are already likely suffering for it.

There is ZERO benefit in making such women, who are already in distress and pain and remorse and more, aware of the intricate bloody details of the procedure. The lack of empathy and basic humanity it would require to do that is literally disgusting.

Hell we do not even tend to show the details of more mundane surgery to people who are about to have it. Why in the name of all that is good do you think we need to do so here? Would you force someone about to have a limb removed to watch a video of such a procedure, all the blood and tendons and bone and cauterization and more? Are they not in enough distress and pain already?

swampgas

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Perhaps you do not. That is certainly a possibility. However if so then you seriously need to change your approach to this topic. People tend to judge what you are based on your words and actions, not based on how you describe yourself. And every post so far gives the impression of literally dripping with agenda.

The citizens assembly have recommended legislation that offers abortion by choice up to week 12. Abortion up to and even BEYOND week 12 are medical. They are simply using a pill.

The video you are touting therefore is not relevant to anyone or anything here. Generally the only people having the type of abortion you are describing are doing so for reasons they can not control and they are already likely suffering for it.

There is ZERO benefit in making such women, who are already in distress and pain and remorse and more, aware of the intricate bloody details of the procedure. The lack of empathy and basic humanity it would require to do that is literally disgusting.

Hell we do not even tend to show the details of more mundane surgery to people who are about to have it. Why in the name of all that is good do you think we need to do so here? Would you force someone about to have a limb removed to watch a video of such a procedure, all the blood and tendons and bone and cauterization and more? Are they not in enough distress and pain already?

I've had eye surgery - double orbital decompression in fact. There's a video of the procedure on youtube. There is no way on earth I could watch it. (I tried - I got about 5 seconds in.) It's very very disturbing for non-medical people to watch, but without it I'd be blind. So "hard to watch", "icky", and "gory" have nothing at all to do with good/bad, and nothing at all to say about whether a medical procedure is appropriate or not.

kylith

Is there anything that can be done about blatantly misinforming posters? Saw an anti-repeal one today that claimed abortion up to 6 months, which is total lies.

jugger0 wrote: »

It is the fathers business as you are killing his child too.

He can insist the pregnancy continues when he can carry it to term.

jugger0 wrote: »

I dont know how else to describe it.. disemboweled, eviscerated, decapitated etc

Not a medical abortion. Inform yourself. Stop spreading lies.

jugger0 wrote: »

Do you really think most women will sit and watch a video of baby dismemberment? Its so horrific if I was to post it I would be banned immediately.

Already have, thanks all the same. When I was 14. Nuns made us watch it. Still pro-choice.

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Fred Swanson

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dudara

jugger0 wrote: »

The video I seen is not fake, it is not just one video, it was very disturbing.

I had open heart surgery as a child. Watching videos of that online is not pleasant.

I also had surgery to correct a detached retina in which my eyeball was popped out and a plastic strip attached to the back of my eyeball. Watching that procedure on YouTube was fun.

Our internal workings are not pretty. Women bleed 5 days every 4 weeks and during that time we see blood and other matter. It’s not pretty but it happens. Any video of any surgery will be upsetting to some.

kylith

dudara wrote: »

I had open heart surgery as a child. Watching videos of that online is not pleasant.

I also had surgery to correct a detached retina in which my eyeball was popped out and a plastic strip attached to the back of my eyeball. Watching that procedure on YouTube was fun.

Our internal workings are not pretty. Women bleed 5 days every 4 months and during that time we see blood and other matter. It’s not pretty but it happens. Any video of any surgery will be upsetting to some.

Only every 4 months? Lucky you!

dudara

kylith wrote: »

Only every 4 months? Lucky you!

I wish Weeks dammit

Rjd2

I have given 50 quid to the yes campaign the other day, not exactly millions, but think we should all try to help as every little helps.:o

For the "pro life" campaigners I do sympathise, but nothing will change for you even if yes wins. It just means women will have more choices which is a good thing for all women no matter what your view is on the upcoming vote.:)

Timberrrrrrrr

jugger0 wrote: »

I dont enjoy them, they are horrible but it is humanity in its most vicious form, so it is like watching a nature documentary. And I dont like watching people being killed, cartel and Isis members dont count.

So killing is bad but some killing is good? So you're not pro-life at all you're pro "let's say this to wind people up"?

There's a name for people like you

JDD

bertieinexile wrote: »

I am looking forward to answering that JDD.
I want to do it justice.
I just don't seem to have as much time as a lot of people here for posting.

Soon as I can.

Hi Bertie.

Five comprehensive detailed posts on this thread in the last 24 hours, yet you still haven't had time to answer my post.

I'm still waiting.

January

JDD wrote: »

Hi Bertie.

Five comprehensive detailed posts on this thread in the last 24 hours, yet you still haven't had time to answer my post.

I'm still waiting.

He's waiting on a reply from head office so he can copy and paste it to you.

Fred Swanson

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applehunter

C'mon Bertie, they're waiting.