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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #5042
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    And yet, here's what two of their members say on a public blog:



    So on one hand a public post that clearly says it won't be unconstitutional, and on the other a poster claiming she's got an email that says otherwise. I wonder which one is more reliable...

    There is no context at all to what is her email

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5043
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yes they do, they go to Italy it seems.
    More Catholic hypocrisy. Malta and Ireland, I mean, not Italy.

    Though Italy have their own issues too it seems, with doctors being "encouraged" for their careers to declare themselves conscientious objectors. A woman died recently in Sicily, in very similar conditions to Savitta, because all the gynecologists available in that hospital were conscientious objectors.
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    #5044
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    As explained before after my CVS yes I did want to travel. Do I really need to keep saying this, are you equally pushing people for their reasons why they did/didnt travel.
    To be fair you have opened up about your story so I dont know why you didnt accept questions.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5045
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Lawyers for choice also told me this but the message they sent me was shot down and accused of spreading fear. That's the problem wirh pro life and pro choice cannot see the argument of the middleman

    No

    There was no context to what you put up here.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5046
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    No

    There was no context to what you put up here.

    I have no idea how the eighth amendment "saved" her baby. And what she's outlined re prenatal testing isn't like anything I've heard before.


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    #5047
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    But what if 15 or 18weeks as choice is too liberal for some. The middleman being the voter like myself that supports unrestricted to 12 weeks, unrestricted for health grounds and ffa

    This is exactly what is being proposed!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5048
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Screenshot from lawyers for choice attached

    Eh yes but we dont know what question you asked?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5049
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Legend Of Kira wrote: »
    You are right in your analysis,, the yes posters are very kinda soft compared to the no posters- & just incase anyone asks me no Im not referring to any graphic imagery or anything, for example take this new no poster, its hard hitting blunt & getting right to the point a lot better compared with the soft approach of the yes posters.

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    That poster looks illegal. No printer/publisher name.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5050
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    https://mobile.twitter.com/NursepollyRgn/status/985280763942916096

    Again with the lying... She's a minor so won't be naming her here either but they seriously need to stop.


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    #5051
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    January wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NursepollyRgn/status/985280763942916096

    Again with the lying... She's a minor so won't be naming her here either but they seriously need to stop.

    I Hope she stops lying.


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    #5052
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    applehunter wrote: »
    Who are the YES going to put forward for debates?
    .

    I would imagine
    Ailbhe Smyth, Grainne Griffin, Orla O'Connor, Simon Harris would be the main ones and then you would have lots of others; Ivana Bacik, Una Mullally, Josepha Madigan, Lynn Ruane, Jan O'Sullivan, Brid Smyth, Clare Daly, TFMR campaigners, Niall Behan, Mary Lou McDonald, Catherine McGuinness, Peter Boylan, Rhona Mahony.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5053
    petalgumdrops
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭petalgumdrops


    lazygal wrote: »
    I don't understand why a doctor in Crumlim got involved. All Dublin maternity hospitals have experts in foetal medicine who are involved in cases where possible or probable abnormalities are identified.
    And the eighth amendment saves no babies, FFA or otherwise. My decisions regarding my babies were what "saved" them.


    I wasn't going to bother repying to you but seen as you insist on reading what you choose I'll try to dumb it down for you. Horse burger put a link from Dr. P McPartland that will explain the process of diagnosis a little better as you seem you seem to think you have all the answers.

    Q... "Why would a doctor in Crumlin get involved?"
    because they have a consultant there that specilalises in genetic counselling. Seems quite a normal process.


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    #5054
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    I wasn't going to bother repying to you but seen as you insist on reading what you choose I'll try to dumb it down for you. Horse burger put a link from Dr. P McPartland that will explain the process of diagnosis a little better as you seem you seem to think you have all the answers.

    Q... "Why would a doctor in Crumlin get involved?"
    because they have a consultant there that specilalises in genetic counselling. Seems quite a normal process.
    Can you provide a timeline of events in your pregnancy?
    It's difficult to understand why you had a non routine anatomy scan at 12 weeks. And which tests you had which were sent to a lab in the UK which contacted you directly.
    If this is your story you've chosen to share, why do you need to link to someone else's post? Why can't your own story be clarified?


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    #5055
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The Gardai are investigating after lots of No posters were illegally taken down.

    The esb took a lot down for safety reasons. Councils took a lot down because the posters were illegal.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5056
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    In my own local area , the Tidy Towns organizations have asked both campaigns not to put up posters.

    Guess which campaign did as they were asked?

    Guess which campaign ignored the request and is putting up posters anyway?

    http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/tidy-towns-groups-are-asking-for-posters-not-to-be-erected-during-referendum-campaign/
    http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/south-wicklow-together-for-yes-to-support-tidy-towns-will-not-erect-posters-in-towns-around-wicklow-county/


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    #5057
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    That poster looks illegal. No printer/publisher name.

    I'm guessing it's in the very small print in the top right hand corner.


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    #5058
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Maybe the shadowbanning on twitter of pro-lives of the mother and unborn baby accounts is helping to block out people seeing the illegal activity.
    There is evidence of twitter helping the repeal side.
    Just as the government is with Leo Varadkar telling people to fund the yes side, organisations who get tax payers money openly supporting the yes side. Inclusion Ireland who get near all their money from taxpayers were the latest who want to exclude the unborn life.

    I have seen plenty of pictures on twitter, but I follow numerous accounts which are shadow banned.

    Is that from another theliberal article?

    I hear there are gangs going around beating up people canvassing for repeal. You haven't heard it because it's being censored.


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    #5059
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    I'm guessing it's in the very small print in the top right hand corner.

    Sorry yes. That one looks ok. A lot of love both posters that I have seen appear to be illegal.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #5060
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    Is that from another theliberal article?

    I hear there are gangs going around beating up people canvassing for repeal. You haven't heard it because it's being censored.

    Well I heard gangs of burly nuns armed with bicycle chains disguised as rosaries are openly attacking repeal canvassers and shouting at them to say their prayers :mad:


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    #5061
    petalgumdrops
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭petalgumdrops


    volchitsa wrote: »
    See here's the thing (one of them anyway), you seem to be claiming that you were in direct contact with a London lab that advised you differently from your own doctor in Dublin. Are you really saying that a lab technician told you to terminate your pregnancy, or do you mean you contacted a doctor in the UK after (or before??) the doctors in Ireland gave you this diagnosis, and if so, did the UK doctors really advise you to terminate without a consultation and before a placenta mosaic had been ruled out?
    That's not been my experience of antenatal testing.

    Please go back and actually state at what point I said a Lab called me? Fetal Medicine consultants spoke with me after labs processed my CVS.

    If you bother to actually inform yourself insted of spouting crap and disputing/twisting everything I said.


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    #5062
    pjohnson
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    Well I heard gangs of burly nuns armed with bicycle chains disguised as rosaries are openly attacking repeal canvassers and shouting at them to say their prayers :mad:

    Wait till you see the lay people with the flamethrowers saying they will burn for eternity.


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    #5063
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Please go back and actually state at what point I said a Lab called me? Fetal Medicine consultants spoke with me after labs processed my CVS.

    If you bother to actually inform yourself insted of spouting crap and disputing/twisting everything I said.

    Who told you to have a termination?


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    #5064
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Please go back and actually state at what point I said a Lab called me? Fetal Medicine consultants spoke with me after labs processed my CVS.

    If you bother to actually inform yourself insted of spouting crap and disputing/twisting everything I said.

    Look I'm sorry if you feel you've said enough to be believed, but to be blunt, you chose to share your story not just as personal experience, but as an illustration of why the 8th needs to stay.

    That's a big claim to make, so it's not unreasonable for people to expect you to spell out how exactly that makes sense, because so far what you've said doesn't show any such thing.
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    #5065
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Look I'm sorry if you feel you've said enough to be believed, but to be blunt, you chose to share your story not just as personal experience, but as an illustration of why the 8th needs to stay.

    That's a big claim to make, so it's not unreasonable for people to expect you to spell out how exactly that makes sense, because so far what you've said doesn't show any such thing.

    I'm extremely unclear as to why testing initially took place, and the timeline thereafter. And how the eighth amendment, rather than a personal decision, stopped anyone having a termination in this case.


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    #5066
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Please go back and actually state at what point I said a Lab called me? Fetal Medicine consultants spoke with me after labs processed my CVS.

    If you bother to actually inform yourself insted of spouting crap and disputing/twisting everything I said.

    You know you could easily end all these misunderstandings if you'd just explain the basic timeline of what happened when.

    Entirely your choice of course, but you did introduce your own experience as a justification for retaining the 8th. Personal experiences in which the 8th amendment can be 100% credited with a positive effect on a specific individual seem to be quite rare, so people are naturally interested in the specifics of how it helped you.

    "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" as they say


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    #5067
    pjohnson
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    I dont think theres much point asking. It just keeps changing while still not providing any reason HOW the 8th got involved.


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    #5068
    groovyg
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    In my own local area , the Tidy Towns organizations have asked both campaigns not to put up posters.

    Guess which campaign did as they were asked?

    Guess which campaign ignored the request and is putting up posters anyway?

    http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/tidy-towns-groups-are-asking-for-posters-not-to-be-erected-during-referendum-campaign/
    http://wicklownews.net/2018/04/south-wicklow-together-for-yes-to-support-tidy-towns-will-not-erect-posters-in-towns-around-wicklow-county/

    Same in Cobh as well ..one side went ahead and put up posters. When somebody pointed it out they received abuse.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kencurtin/status/985150931913314304


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    #5069
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    petalgumdrops wrote: »
    Please go back and read my story John. My lab results were done in England. They have phones they can contact me without me physically being there. My story was clinically interesting based on its rarity

    This suggests the lab contacted you.


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    #5070
    erica74
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    Just passed an antichoice poster outside Kilmeaden in Waterford, anyone who knows the area will know of the very large posters (you could nearly call them billboards, they're HUGE) attached to a trailer near the roundabout, going on for the last 2-3 years now.
    The one up now has a picture of a foetus with the words "11 weeks, one of us". It made me laugh. Do you antichoice people have any idea how stupid these posters are?
    We are Borg, your biological distinctiveness will be added to our own, resistance is futile:pac: THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT YOU ANTICHOICE PEOPLE WANT:pac:


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    #5071
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    erica74 wrote: »
    Just passed an antichoice poster outside Kilmeaden in Waterford, anyone who knows the area will know of the very large posters (you could nearly call them billboards, they're HUGE) attached to a trailer near the roundabout, going on for the last 2-3 years now.
    The one up now has a picture of a foetus with the words "11 weeks, one of us". It made me laugh. Do you antichoice people have any idea how stupid these posters are?
    We are Borg, your biological distinctiveness will be added to our own, resistance is futile:pac: THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT YOU ANTICHOICE PEOPLE WANT:pac:

    I saw that slogan too - can they really not heard how much like a cult chant "ONE OF US" sounds?


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