The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

I don’t want to get into your personal life and what happened to your and your wife/partner.
The unborn is opague but it is still a unique human life and of human form at that stage.

It also does not resemble what you posted stating to be what an unborn 12 week fetus looks like.

You are very, very wrong on the matter and are blatantly unwilling to admit so.

gmisk

Not sure if this place to post this but I thought related, even though in US, it involves Crisis Pregnancy Centers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NNpkv3Us1I
Love John Oliver

ELM327

RobertKK wrote: »

No I didn’t and I did state the colour was different in a later post. Nothing else is much different.

RobertKK wrote: »

I don’t want to get into your personal life and what happened to your and your wife/partner.
The unborn is opague but it is still a unique human life and of human form at that stage.

the questions you ask have all been answered on this thread and the one that preceded it. multiple times.

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

Nothing else is much different.

robarmstrong wrote: »

12 week fetus is completely different skin colour, different opacity of skin, no fully defined nose or ears, longer head, less defined mouth, disproportionate limbs, I could go on.

Nothing else is much different, no?

Zubeneschamali

Ush1 wrote: »

Next post :pac:

I'll spell it out for you:

No one denies a fetus is human. Literally no one.

We all agree that a fetus is human.

no more a human than my toenail clippings.

We do not all agree a fetus is a human being.

See? There is no contradiction between saying my appendix is alive and is human and saying that my appendix is not a human being.

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RobertKK wrote: »

I don’t want to get into your personal life and what happened to your and your wife/partner.
The unborn is opague but it is still a unique human life and of human form at that stage.

He's volunteering information about what happened. Dodge reality much there Robert?

Ush1

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'll spell it out for you:

No one denies a fetus is human. Literally no one.

We all agree that a fetus is human.

no more a human than my toenail clippings.

We do not all agree a fetus is a human being.

See? There is no contradiction between saying my appendix is alive and is human and saying that my appendix is not a human being.

Re-read what the poster actually posted. Pay attention to the first line.

kylith

robarmstrong wrote: »

Nothing else is much different, no?

Well look, apart from the colour, opacity, size, proportion, fat content, and overall development they're practically identical :rolleyes:

RobertKK

robarmstrong wrote: »

It also does not resemble what you posted stating to be what an unborn 12 week fetus looks like.

You are very, very wrong on the matter and are blatantly unwilling to admit so.

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

but what difference does it make what the foetus looks like?

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

Wrong.

The picture you posted was essentially a fully developed miniature baby with all limbs and appendages with appropriate size ratio applied.

An actual 12 week fetus does not have that.

Try again.

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

The only difference is the colour and the fact the arms and legs in the plastic image are curled into the body unlike the image you and I posted where the limbs were more outstretched.

Which a foetus at that stage of development can't do because they can't bend their elbows and knees yet.

pleas advice

January wrote: »

That's not a denial that it's human though

not just 'human', like human hair or human skin, but A human, as in a member of the genus Homo Sapiens.

circadian

RobertKK wrote: »

I don’t want to get into your personal life and what happened to your and your wife/partner.
The unborn is opague but it is still a unique human life and of human form at that stage.

So it's ok for you to reference your life experiences in relation to graphic images and "the reality" but not for others to do so when it doesn't suit you?

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Here is what an unborn looks like at 12 weeks, you see no humanity in this...

robarmstrong wrote: »

Wrong.

The picture you posted was essentially a fully developed miniature baby with all limbs and appendages with appropriate size ratio applied.

An actual 12 week fetus does not have that.

Try again.

So you are saying your head is this proportion to your own body?

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robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

So you are saying your head is this proportion to your own body?

That plastic doll is correctly proportionate.

An actual 12 week fetus, is not.

ELM327

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See that's a logical question which cannot be answered by a pro lifer without lying, obfuscating, or ignoring the question.
That's why you have no answer from him.

NuMarvel

pleas advice wrote: »

not just 'human', like human hair or human skin, but A human, as in a member of the genus Homo Sapiens.

For argument's sake, lets say you're right; the unborn is a human.

What do No voters and supporters want to see happen if the referendum is rejected?

RobertKK

robarmstrong wrote: »

That plastic doll is correctly proportionate.

An actual 12 week fetus, is not.

So are you saying a baby or other humans have heads as wide as their shoulders?

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Zubeneschamali

Ush1 wrote: »

Re-read what the poster actually posted. Pay attention to the first line.

I bleedin' quoted it in my explanation!

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

So are you saying a baby or other humans have heads as wide as their shoulders?

Are you saying what you posted is what an unborn 12 week fetus looks like despite being proven wrong numerous times?

Ush1

NuMarvel wrote: »

For argument's sake, lets say you're right; the unborn is a human.

What do No voters and supporters want to see happen if the referendum is rejected?

I'm voting yes but I personally find the human/a human argument disingenuous. You can call it what you like the fact that you can't dispute is that it will become a human. It's not a liver or toenail cell or whatever else.

circadian

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Why don't you answer my questions Robert?

Too difficult for you?

No, it just keeps the thread on track. I believe semantics and derailment is the name of the game and today's round is about a plastic yoke.

RobertKK

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No, I am doing other stuff and can only answer so much.

Ush1

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I bleedin' quoted it in my explanation!

No you didn't.

kylith

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm voting yes but I personally find the human/a human argument disingenuous. You can call it what you like the fact that you can't dispute is that it will become a human. It's not a liver or toenail cell or whatever else.

Do you agree that it should not be considered equal in rights to the woman carrying it?

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

No, I am doing other stuff and can only answer so much.

Like telling lies and posting up false images proclaiming them to be fact only to be bounced around by how incorrect you've shown to be?

RobertKK

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What rights are you talking about?