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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #7172
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.

    I still don't see what point you are trying to make, but regardless, you have no right to have any input on a strangers pregnancy.
    Its none of your business.
    This should be a private matter between a woman and her doctor and not for society to have any input on.


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    #7173
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,105 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.
    Thats not even what the question was.....:confused:


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    #7174
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pregnancy is a state of being, it is not a thing.

    Is a cold a thing? Is a headache a thing?


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    #7175
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    ELM327 wrote: »
    No one is in favour of abortion.
    Legally a foetus 5 minutes before birth is not a person, it is a foetus nearing the end of its gestation.

    Interesting how you pick and choose which parts of the law and constitution which suit your argument. If the law was so infallible then we wouldn't be having a vote on this in the first place. If you want to accept the letter of the law then you can accept the constitution as it currently stands.


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    #7176
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    no pregnant is a state of being, pregnancy is the duration of time for which a woman is pregnant

    I am pregnant.
    I have a pregnancy.


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    #7177
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I still don't see what point you are trying to make, but regardless, you have no right to have any input on a strangers pregnancy.
    Its none of your business.
    This should be a private matter between a woman and her doctor and not for society to have any input on.

    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.


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    #7178
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    Like an unwanted pregnancy?


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    #7179
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    baylah17 wrote: »
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    Ah da poor babby jezus
    He told them to abuse the durty huzzies
    Starve their durty bastard brats and then **** them their bodies in septic tank
    Great lad that babby jezus
    Ah God be with the hood ol days

    What is this? Lol.


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    #7180
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    Who exactly? The fetus is not a person? It isn't a born living citizen?


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    #7181
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    baylah17 wrote: »
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    Ah da poor babby jezus
    He told them to abuse the durty huzzies
    Starve their durty bastard brats and then **** them their bodies in septic tank
    Great lad that babby jezus
    Ah God be with the hood ol days

    Cringe.


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    #7182
    amdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


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    #7183
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    kylith wrote: »
    I am pregnant.
    I have a pregnancy.

    Exactly. You are pregnant, you do not have a pregnancy.

    Next.


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    #7184
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    baylah17 wrote: »
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    Ah da poor babby jezus
    He told them to abuse the durty huzzies
    Starve their durty bastard brats and then **** them their bodies in septic tank
    Great lad that babby jezus
    Ah God be with the hood ol days

    Cringe.
    Baring in mind you horrible holier than thou posts cringing is the least you should do
    Truth hurts
    It certainly hurt the starved and beaten babies your ilk threw into a septic tank
    Judge not lest you be judged


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    #7185
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    If the law was so infallible then we wouldn't be having a vote on this in the first place.

    Bull, we can respect the law and change it and improve it at the same time. The law is not something that should be set in stone for all time, but should evolve with us as society and human knowledge evolve.
    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    Great! I agree! But the problem for your narrative is that when a pregnant women aborts her fetus only one "someones life" is affected. The fetus is not a person. It's life can not be described with the linguistics of possession as you do here. It affects a life, but not somebody's life because there is no somebody there.

    So I 100% agree rights should be curtailed when it affects somebody else's life. But you are inserting a somebody where none exists. Who is the "somebody" you are referring to exactly.


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    #7186
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Interesting how you pick and choose which parts of the law and constitution which suit your argument. If the law was so infallible then we wouldn't be having a vote on this in the first place. If you want to accept the letter of the law then you can accept the constitution as it currently stands.
    Of course it goes without saying that my statement was dependent on the 8th being repealed as it is the only legal instrument that grants a right to life to a non-person.


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    #7187
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    kylith wrote: »
    I am pregnant.
    I have a pregnancy.

    Exactly. You are pregnant, you do not have a pregnancy.

    Next.
    Motillium will help cure that verbal diorreha


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    #7188
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Cringe.

    Such a mature, intelligent response. I'd expect nothing less from someone as staunchly pro-life as you. Well done for making a fool of yourself.


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    #7189
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Exactly. You are pregnant, you do not have a pregnancy.

    Next.

    Pregnancy is a noun so it’s perfectly valid to say “a pregnancy”. Where on earth did you learn English?!


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    #7190
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Not when it has an impact on somebody else's life.

    So what would you say to the couples who have to travel if the 8th is retained?


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    #7191
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Interesting how you pick and choose which parts of the law and constitution which suit your argument. If the law was so infallible then we wouldn't be having a vote on this in the first place. If you want to accept the letter of the law then you can accept the constitution as it currently stands.

    The 8th amendment is a dangerous law that causes harm, suffering and distress to women every day. It isn't just about abortion, it effects the maternity care of every single woman.
    It isn't picking and choosing. We aren't advocating euthanising newborns here.
    You are playing two entirely scenarios off each other to try to make your point, but it won't work.
    There is a massive difference between a WANTED pregnancy being terminated early due to the health of mum or baby, and the heartbreaking cases of FFA where an abortion is requested due to the circumstances of the child.


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    #7192
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    schrodingers pregnancy!
    Careful now with that there science talk. It's lost on the no side, the magic teapot told them so.
    BarleySweets wrote: »
    I wouldn’t tar all Protestants with the same brush. The prods up north and from the USA are both fanatical about life beginning at conception and have been major financial contributors to a lot of Save the 8th campaigns in Ireland over the years.

    In fairness, norn iron and the deep south in the US are both basket cases in religious terms.
    baylah17 wrote: »
    You need to take some Senakot
    Cure your constipation
    No it's not constipation for sure the amount of sh1te flowing is the opposite lol


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    #7193
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Bull, we can respect the law and change it and improve it at the same time. The law is not something that should be set in stone for all time, but should evolve with us as society and human knowledge evolve.



    Great! I agree! But the problem for your narrative is that when a pregnant women aborts her fetus only one "someones life" is affected. The fetus is not a person. It's life can not be described with the linguistics of possession as you do here. It affects a life, but not somebody's life because there is no somebody there.

    So I 100% agree rights should be curtailed when it affects somebody else's life. But you are inserting a somebody where none exists. Who is the "somebody" you are referring to exactly.

    But you have accepted that it is a life and I assume that you accept that it is wrong to end somebody else's life, so why do you think it is ok to abort the life of an unborn child?


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    #7194
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Cringe.
    Back to your "one liners" I see.

    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Save The 8th.
    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Save the 8th
    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Extreme Feminists


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    #7195
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    So what would you say to the couples who have to travel if the 8th is retained?

    I’m sure they say something like “I’m alright Jack, so I don’t give a flying F about you and your troubles”.


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    #7196
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    But you have accepted that it is a life and I assume that you accept that it is wrong to end somebody else's life, so why do you think it is ok to abort the life of an unborn child?
    It is unborn and as such is not a person and does not have independent life.

    Seriously. This has been done.
    Where's that pro forma response gone.


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    #7197
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    Exactly. You are pregnant, you do not have a pregnancy.

    Next.

    You say 'Exactly' and then you contradict what I said...

    I have a pregnancy.

    Like 'a pregnancy', it's not something you can pick up and take away but you still have a headache or a cold.


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    #7198
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Back to your "one liners" I see.

    He/She only drops in here to make snippy remarks and judge everyone.
    What a waste of time.
    Adding absolutely nothing to the conversation, not replying to anyone who took the time to reply to bother to him/her, dismissing other peoples experiences as inferior, the list goes on.
    Just repeating the same on liners over and over again.


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    #7199
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    BarleySweets wrote: »
    Birth is when they said the child’s right to life begins! Stop twisting their words.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    No one is in favour of abortion.
    Legally a foetus 5 minutes before birth is not a person, it is a foetus nearing the end of its gestation.

    So five minutes before a child is born it is not a person??? Birth is an event, it is not magical process that converts a foetus into a person.


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    #7200
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »
    So five minutes before a child is born it is not a person??? Birth is an event, it is not magical process that converts a foetus into a person.
    But it is though.
    Seriously.
    They like, hand out certificates and everything now.


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    #7201
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    [QUOTE=ELM327;106782909]Careful now with that there science talk. It's lost on the no side, the magic teapot told them so.

    In fairness, norn iron and the deep south in the US are both basket cases in religious terms.

    No it's not constipation for sure the amount of sh1te flowing is the opposite lol[/QUOTE]

    As opposed to your argument where a foetus magically turns into a person during birth. Very scientific.


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