The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

BarleySweets

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So five minutes before a child is born it is not a person??? Birth is an event, it is not magical process that converts a foetus into a person.

There’s nothing magical about it but it is exactly that: a process that converts a fetus into a person.

BarleySweets

ELM327 wrote: »

But it is though.
Seriously.
They like, hand out certificates and everything now.

And grant PPS numbers & citizenship!

AnneFrank

ELM327 wrote: »

Back to your "one liners" I see.

wow trolling me through different threads on different topics,
i wasn't aware that was allowed.

v638sg7k1a92bx

kylith wrote: »

You say 'Exactly' and then you contradict what I said...

I have a pregnancy.

Like 'a pregnancy', it's not something you can pick up and take away but you still have a headache or a cold.

Can you put that in a sentence please? I don't even think it's grammatically correct.

"Hello Mary how are you?"
"Not very well I have a pregnancy"

kylith

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So five minutes before a child is born it is not a person??? Birth is an event, it is not magical process that converts a foetus into a person.

It is in law.

swampgas

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So five minutes before a child is born it is not a person??? Birth is an event, it is not magical process that converts a foetus into a person.

It does legally.

But from a medical point of view, do you really think the 8th amendment is the only thing stopping people from skewering foetus's at 8 months?

You seem to think Irish women are potential monsters.

kylith

swampgas wrote: »

It does legally.

But from a medical point of view, do you really think the 8th amendment is the only thing stopping people from skewering foetus's at 8 months?

You seem to think Irish women are potential monsters.

Thank you for reminding us that this is a side-tracking tactic

v638sg7k1a92bx

BarleySweets wrote: »

And grant PPS numbers & citizenship!

So the basis on which you think it is justified to end another persons life is whether they have a PPS number?

ohnonotgmail

AnneFrank wrote: »

wow trolling me through different threads on different topics,
i wasn't aware that was allowed.

report them then.

v638sg7k1a92bx

kylith wrote: »

It is in law.

The law recognises the unborn child's right to life...

kylith

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So the basis on which you think it is justified to end another persons life is whether they have a PPS number?

For what reason do you think a woman would seek an abortion at such a late stage?

SusieBlue

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So the basis on which you think it is justified to end another persons life is whether they have a PPS number?

It isn't a person. Not in the same capacity as the woman carrying it. And it certainly shouldn't be afforded any rights at the expense of hers.

It isn't murder.
Are you campaigning to repeal the 13th and 14th amendment? I assume you are, considering you perceive these fetuses to be people, you're surely campaigning to stop these monsters from travelling overseas to cruelly murder Irish citizens?
Or is it only a problem if it happens in Ireland?

ohnonotgmail

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

The law recognises the unborn child's right to life...

but it doesnt recognise an unborn child as a person.

swampgas

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So the basis on which you think it is justified to end another persons life is whether they have a PPS number?

You really are annoying. Which bit of "a foetus is not a person (yet)" do you not accept?

Maybe you can explain why a (for example) 8 week foetus should be considered to be a person?

kylith

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Can you put that in a sentence please? I don't even think it's grammatically correct.

"Hello Mary how are you?"
"Not very well I have a pregnancy"

"I brought a pregnancy to term"

"No, this isn't the first time I've lost a pregnancy."

Mr. CooL ICE

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So the basis on which you think it is justified to end another persons life is whether they have a PPS number?

Mod: Your questions are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If you want to troll somewhere, here is not the place for it.

v638sg7k1a92bx

SusieBlue wrote: »

It isn't a person. Not in the same capacity as the woman carrying it. And it certainly shouldn't be afforded any rights at the expense of hers.

It isn't murder.
Are you campaigning to repeal the 13th and 14th amendment? I assume you are, considering you perceive these fetuses to be people, you're surely campaigning to stop these monsters from travelling overseas to cruelly murder Irish citizens?
Or is it only a problem if it happens in Ireland?

In what circumstances do you thin it is acceptable to end another persons life?

swampgas

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

In what circumstances do you thin it is acceptable to end another persons life?

Personally I think internet trolls should be shot in the head. Does that help?

SusieBlue

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

In what circumstances do you thin it is acceptable to end another persons life?

We've already established that it isn't a person about 12 times now, and already covered when we feel it does become a person, I think your question has already been answered.

You're staring so hard at the uterus you can't see the living breathing woman attached to it.

robarmstrong

24 weeks is when a fetus is awarded citizenship, this applies to stillborns, you can have your stillborn son or daughter put on a register and they'll be given a PPS number, I know this from experience.

Before then, they are not assigned a PPS number and therefore are technically not citizens.

ELM327

AnneFrank wrote: »

wow trolling me through different threads on different topics,
i wasn't aware that was allowed.

The one thread, and not trolling, just quoting some of your one liners.

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

As opposed to your argument where a foetus magically turns into a person during birth. Very scientific.

There's no magic. It is indeed science. We even thought of a name for it and everything. Biology.
As per the very smart poster below:

ELM327 wrote: »

But it is though.
Seriously.
They like, hand out certificates and everything now.

v638sg7k1a92bx

SusieBlue wrote: »

We've already established that it isn't a person about 12 times now, and already covered when we feel it does become a person, I think your question has already been answered.

Who exactly established that? Please show me the scientific evidence which proves your theory?

BarleySweets

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Who exactly established that?

The people that wrote the medical dictionary.

ELM327

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Who exactly established that? Please show me the scientific evidence which proves your theory?

1 - www.google.ie (I don't know the US domain for Google, you'll probably be redirected to the .com)
2- Search for "Biology and the reproductive system"
3- skip the fun part at the start and go straight to birth.

v638sg7k1a92bx

ELM327 wrote: »

The one thread, and not trolling, just quoting some of your one liners.



There's no magic. It is indeed science. We even thought of a name for it and everything. Biology.
As per the very smart poster below:

So what is the scientific process that takes place during birth whereby a foetus turns in a person as it passes through the canal?

robarmstrong

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So what is the scientific process that takes place during birth whereby a foetus turns in a person as it passes through the canal?

"Birth"

ELM327

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

So what is the scientific process that takes place during birth whereby a foetus turns in a person as it passes through the canal?

1 - Define Foetus (Hint: it's the developing entity during gestation)
2 - Define baby (Hint: It's the entity post gestation).
3 - Hint: Gestation ends when it is complete, ie when birth occurs

SusieBlue

Rogelio Tinkling Cue wrote: »

Who exactly established that? Please show me the scientific evidence which proves your theory?

Can you please provide evidence that a 6 week old zygote should have the same rights as a living citizen, thanks.

RobertKK

B0jangles wrote: »

Just saw this on facebook - a leaflet from 1982 warning about the possible effects the 8th would have on women's healthcare






The dangers were known long before it came into effect but 35 years later we're still trying get to rid of it.

Shameful.

So the abortion advocates were telling lies then as well.

So is the morning after pill banned?
Women do get treated if ill in pregnancy even if poses a risk to the life of the unborn.
Women not treated for high blood pressure in pregnancy?
But they did use 'may' a lot since they were not dealing with truths.

So many falsehoods that didn't happen from the anti-amendment side in 1983.

Mr. CooL ICE

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