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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #7622
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    thee glitz wrote: »
    How are we not voting on whether we endorse abortion :confused:?

    You can pretend that your vote has any meaning you like. It’s really simple, I even explained it in really easy to understand language but I’ll try again, as I said in the post you replied to: those abortions will happen whether you vote Yes or No. All your No vote will achieve is causing hassle for the women involved, because they need to travel to a foreign country as opposed to discussing their situation with their own local doctor in an Irish clinic.

    Your No vote saves no babies and prevents no abortions and if you think it will you are only codding yourself.

    You are not being asked to endorse abortion in this referendum. You are being asked to allow women who are currently legally bound to avail of a service in a foreign country, to avail of that service here in Ireland.

    I'm far from convinced that the 8th doesn't save lives - why is the relative instance of women having abortions done in England or Wales giving Irish addresses much lower than that for locals? We're well entitled to make decisions for ourselves without reference to the UK or anywhere else.

    Regarding addresses, who would bother giving their Irish address in a foreign country for a matter such as this? We all know dozens of people that live and work in the UK, if you could check in that kind of detail you’ll find friends using local UK addresses. Not that it’s any of your business.

    As for well entitled to make decisions for ourselves - LOL - why don’t you offer the women of Ireland this courtesy?!

    Anyway, you have no say whether these abortions happens, like I said, unless it’s you having an abortion, your input in that decision is not required. Those abortions will happen - just in a foreign country. Please vote Yes and let Irish women avail of these services at home with their own doctors.


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    #7623
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    thee glitz wrote: »
    How are we not voting on whether we endorse abortion :confused:?

    I'm far from convinced that the 8th doesn't save lives - why is the relative instance of women having abortions done in England or Wales giving Irish addresses much lower than that for locals? We're well entitled to make decisions for ourselves without reference to the UK or anywhere else.

    At the moment, restrictive abortion regimes Eg what we have. Has the effect of increase second trimester abortions. The abortion still happens, just at a far later stage. You have to arrange to travel, sometimes you have to save. Other route that people go in that scenario is to acquire abortion pills and have an abortion with no medical support. These scenarios both occur at the moment.

    Only people you prevent from having abortions are those without fiscals means to fund one or somebody who can't travel. That's a pretty inhumane scenario that is created with eighth.


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    #7624
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    All your No vote will achieve is causing hassle for the women involved, because they need to travel to a foreign country as opposed to discussing their situation with their own local doctor in an Irish clinic.

    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    Your No vote saves no babies and prevents no abortions and if you think it will you are only codding yourself.

    YEAH YEAH


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    #7625
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?





    YEAH YEAH

    What a fantastically mature addition to the discussion, thank you for enlightening us all. Just when it gets back to being a respectful, mature and constructive discussion, great.


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    #7626
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    What a fantastically mature addition to the discussion, thank you for enlightening us all. Just when it gets back to being a respectful, mature and constructive discussion, great.

    Truth hurt does it?


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    #7627
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    The proposed legislation from the citizens assembly is abortion up to 12 weeks. Nothing you describe above is therefore accurate. The termination occurs merely by taking pills.

    Even if a surgical abortion was being performed, it would not be a GP doing it.

    And who says that a woman seeking an abortion was not using condoms?

    So three for three, you appear to be making stuff up there. But if memory serves you were the one who compared the SSM referendum to you wanting to marry your horse, right?


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    #7628
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    At the moment, restrictive abortion regimes Eg what we have. Has the effect of increase second trimester abortions. The abortion still happens, just at a far later stage. You have to arrange to travel, sometimes you have to save. Other route that people go in that scenario is to acquire abortion pills and have an abortion with no medical support. These scenarios both occur at the moment.

    As someone who has witnessed first hand what a woman goes through after taking those pills I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

    In our case we were prescribed the pills due to a missed miscarriage and we had been told what to expect, had prescription painkillers and knew that help was on hand if we needed it.

    We didn’t, but seeing how frightened, pained and scared my girlfriend was makes me wonder how the women forced to do this with illegally bought pills manage it.


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    #7629
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?





    YEAH YEAH
    If you're concerned about surgical abortions which is what you're describing, a gp will not be doing surgical abortion. However a restrictive abortion regime increases the occurrence of surgical abortions by virtue of forcing a woman to travel... Also plenty of pregnancies occur even when protection is used. Not 100%.


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    #7630
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Truth hurt does it?

    Well it wasn't truth.

    So nah.

    Still have that attitude after reading the situation myself and my partner were in?


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    #7631
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    pitifulgod wrote: »
    If you're concerned about surgical abortions which is what you're describing, a gp will not be doing surgical abortion. However a restrictive abortion regime increases the occurrence of surgical abortions by virtue of forcing a woman to travel... Also plenty of pregnancies occur even when protection is used. Not 100%.

    Oh sorry I forgot that..get those pills into ya...that will POISON the LITTLE BUNDLE OF HASSLE


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    #7632
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?




    YEAH YEAH

    What do you think of robs situation, where his wife has a chance of miscarrying a pregnancy, and being able to take charge of an issue, before it develops into an issue?


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    #7633
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    Well it wasn't truth.

    So nah.

    Still have that attitude after reading the situation myself and my partner were in?

    Just telling it as it is.


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    #7634
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭circadian


    pleas advice wrote: »
    Do you trust women from England and Wales? Where there is more than one abortion for every four live births.

    Why wouldn't someone trust women from England and Wales? Is there an inherent need for distrust?


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    #7635
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Oh sorry I forgot that..get those pills into ya...that will POISON the LITTLE BUNDLE OF HASSLE

    That is also factually incorrect. Medical abortions do not work by poisoning the fetus. Perhaps you conveniently just "forgot" that too? Perhaps the "truth hurts" as you say, which is why you have not yet moved to offer any of it.
    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Just telling it as it is.

    Where? You have not told anything like it actually is yet. Everything you have written so far today is false, made up, and assumption.


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    #7636
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Oh sorry I forgot that..get those pills into ya...that will POISON the LITTLE BUNDLE OF HASSLE

    You didn't forget, you wanted to have the most graphic shock value. You also are intent on portraying women in the most negative of terms. Literally no effort to try and understand a woman in that scenario. Reflects on you rather than the woman.


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    #7637
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Just telling it as it is.

    So tell me your opinion of the situations my partner and I have been in then, if you're telling it as it is.


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    #7638
    Toastytoes
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Toastytoes


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?



    YEAH YEAH

    Cos that’s exactly what happens if a woman goes to her go to request the abortion pill. There’s loads of crushing, grinding, hoovering.

    No camp peddling lies, what a shocker!

    You were in the no camp for the marriage equality vote too. How are things back there in the dark ages?


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    #7639
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Just telling it as it is.

    AKA I have an "Opinion" and haven't really thought about it, but I want everyone to be damn sure they hear it.


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    #7640
    thee glitz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    To be honest, we're on the same page, I'm against abortion but what am I meant to do? My partner has an medically diagnosed abnormality that doesn't affect her health or the babies health during pregnancy, the baby will be developing absolutely fine, but if they've implanted in the wrong area of her uterus they will develop perfectly healthy but the sac will rupture and the baby will unfortunately pass. So I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, against abortion but unfortunately I need and want my partner to have legal access to it here in her own country without having to travel.

    We've been told no, so now despite my views on abortion, I must vote to repeal, as otherwise it'll be a vicious cycle of implantation, hoping the baby has implanted in the right place, if not, prepare for miscarriage. It doesn't ever get easier but at least with legal abortion we'll be better off.

    Your situation is easy to sympathise with. Ideally, there would be recognition of various levels of 'needing' an abortion. Indeed there are, but only after a nominal 12 weeks. I believe there would be strong support for allowing your partner, or any woman, to have an abortion carried out in the case of an inevitable miscarriage. The thing is though that that's not being prioritised - abortion on demand has been offered as the consequence of repealing the 8th and it's entirely disgraceful that this is so given the level of opposition to it.


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    #7641
    BarleySweets
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭BarleySweets


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Hassle? Sure why bother wearing a condom? Sure we can always go to the local GP and get the foetus crushed, ground up...and sucked out with a hoover.

    WHAT''S UP DOC???? Any chance you can take care of a LITTLE PROBLEM for me?





    YEAH YEAH

    Are you really this naive? What age are you?

    When do you ever speak to your doctor like that, for any medical reason? No, I doubt you do. So why do you think women would speak to their doctor like that about a medical procedure as serious as abortion?

    Oh wait, unless you are joking? Are you joking? Is abortion a joking matter for you? Is women seeking medical attention a joking matter for you? Why would you joke about such serious topics? You must be some man for the craic, not only are to a top grade jokester but you think you’re better than every woman in Ireland? Top marks to you, my son. I am sure your mates love you as much as you think they do.

    Luckily for everyone, you’re not entitled to make any medical decisions for any woman in the country (unless you’re a woman yourself, you can make decisions for yourself in that case obv). Your No vote won’t save any babies and your No vote will not stop any abortions. All your No vote will achieve is making you feel smug and satisfied with yourself as your vote will force Irish women to continue to use foreign medical services for procedures that they should be discussing openly with their own Irish doctors in local clinics.


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    #7642
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    That is also factually incorrect. Medical abortions do not work by poisoning the fetus. Perhaps you conveniently just "forgot" that too? Perhaps the "truth hurts" as you say, which is why you have not yet moved to offer any of it.

    Please tell us more...

    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Where? You have not told anything like it actually is yet. Everything you have written so far today is false, made up, and assumption.

    Please tell us how they kill babies in a NICE way? Do they do it in Laura Lynn,


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    #7643
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    BarleySweets wrote: »
    Are you really this naive? What age are you?

    When do you ever speak to your doctor like that, for any medical reason? No, I doubt you do. So why do you think women would speak to their doctor like that about a medical procedure as serious as abortion?

    Oh wait, unless you are joking? Are you joking? Is abortion a joking matter for you? Is women seeking medical attention a joking matter for you? Why would you joke about such serious topics? You must be some man for the craic, not only are to a top grade jokester but you think you’re better than every woman in Ireland? Top marks to you, my son. I am sure your mates love you as much as you think they do.

    Luckily for everyone, you’re not entitled to make any medical decisions for any woman in the country (unless you’re a woman yourself, you can make decisions for yourself in that case obv). Your No vote won’t save any babies and your No vote will not stop any abortions. All your No vote will achieve is making you feel smug and satisfied with yourself as your vote will force Irish women to continue to use foreign medical services for procedures that they should be discussing openly with their own Irish doctors in local clinics.

    I don't think MURDERING BABIES ON DEMAND is a joking matter..


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    #7644
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Truth hurt does it?

    Tell me Blahblah did you ever marry your horse?


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    #7645
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Just telling it as it is.

    3 years since your last post ( SSM referendum )

    Do you just "tell it like it is" for referendums ?


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    #7646
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    amcalester wrote: »
    Tell me Blahblah did you ever marry your horse?

    Noné of your business


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    #7647
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Please tell us more...

    Glad to. Ask some relevant questions, or continue to tell open lies, and I will happily answer the former and correct the latter. Any time you like.
    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Please tell us how they kill babies in a NICE way?

    This thread is about abortion, which is the termination of a pregnancy resulting in the termination of a fetus. IF you want to ask about infanticide you are in the wrong place.
    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I don't think MURDERING BABIES ON DEMAND is a joking matter..

    Neither of which this thread is about. Firstly the fetus is not a baby. Secondly "on demand" is not exactly what happens. Rather people request an abortion and perhaps they are given one. They may not.


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    #7648
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I don't think MURDERING BABIES ON DEMAND is a joking matter..

    You're not exactly conducting yourself with maturity around the topic.


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    #7649
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    gctest50 wrote: »
    3 years since your last post ( SSM referendum )

    Do you just "tell it like it is" for referendums ?

    I do yeah..dig deep much?


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    #7650
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    thee glitz wrote: »
    Your situation is easy to sympathise with. Ideally, there would be recognition of various levels of 'needing' an abortion. Indeed there are, but only after a nominal 12 weeks. I believe there would be strong support for allowing your partner, or any woman, to have an abortion carried out in the case of an inevitable miscarriage. The thing is though that that's not being prioritised - abortion on demand has been offered as the consequence of repealing the 8th and it's entirely disgraceful that this is so given the level of opposition to it.

    I appreciate the input. I really do wish that was the case but we've had miscarriages as late as 19 weeks.

    I know it isn't ideal and I don't mean to come across like a dick to you whatsoever but the way I see it, if it's "on demand" or unrestricted, then I'll take it, it sounds horrible but I don't have as much care for everyone else as I do for my partner, I have to make do with what's being offered so I'm voting to repeal.

    Appreciate the mature and constructive conversation though, and that you can relate and see the points of my partner having access to legal abortion.


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    #7651
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,585 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Just telling it as it is.

    Apt user name for the idiotic posts you have contributed so far.


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