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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #7712
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Can you explain this for me? An unfertilised egg is not a human being. A sperm that has not fertilized an egg is not a human being. An egg that has been fertilized by a sperm is a human being.
    Are you agreed?
    If so, then what is your point?

    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?
    More verbal diorreha
    No doctor will be FORCED to do anything and a 12 week old yet is is NOT a baby
    You need to go buy some cop on pills


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    #7713
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    pleas advice wrote: »
    this is the context of my post,


    trust women, how exactly? to have an abortion if they want / need one, and not have one if they don't want one?

    it's a nonsense phrase

    I actually agree, 'trust women' is a nonsensical campaign slogan, and so is 'love both'.

    It's basically just advertising, nothing more.


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    #7714
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Some people are pro-life and are pro-choice......me for example.

    An undecided voter?


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    #7715
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?

    Doctor's do not have to take a pledge if they do not want to. The Hippocratic oath is out dated.


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    #7716
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    An undecided voter?

    Nah, I'm pro sex, it's a great job altogther ;-)


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    #7717
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    So they are human beings?? So anti-choice campaigners are erecting posters of naked babies across Ireland in the lead up to the referendum, that's child pornography isn't it!!!

    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 4 and 2 in the bath. Is that child pornography?
    I’m glad you agree that they’re human beings. Because that’s what they are.


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    #7718
    amdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    According to previous posts a baby up to 12 weeks is not a baby but an idea of a baby, a clump of cells.Madness I know. I would love to hear from Drs that will be forced to do this.Does this not contradict their pledge not to do harm?

    Serious questions.

    Does the woman ever ever EVER enter your mind at all?

    Does it ever enter your mind that the doctor should be not doing harm to the woman?

    Why do you never think about the woman's life?


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    #7719
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Nah, I'm pro sex, it's a great job altogther ;-)

    Well maybe wear a balloon next time some poor unfortunate facilitates ya


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    #7720
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 4 and 2 in the bath. Is that child pornography?
    I’m glad you agree that they’re human beings. Because that’s what they are.

    Could be, I don't know what you're using the pictures for!

    I don't agree that a fetus is a human being, but if you do then I honestly find it strange that you don't have an issue with people erecting pictures of naked babies (by your own definition, not mine). What the fúck like?


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    #7721
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    Won't be voting, happy to repeal the 8th, not happy with handing over future laws to spotty teenagers on fine geal front bench and modern Irelands weird version of liberalism.


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    #7722
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Well maybe wear a balloon next time some poor unfortunate facilitates ya

    You wouldn't be condoning the use of contraception now would you??? Sure that kills millions of living sperm, is this not an issue for 'pro-lifers'!!! Such hypocrisy!

    Ps, I'd imagine condoms are a better bet than balloons, but sure if you're stuck I suppose.


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    #7723
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Could be, I don't know what you're using the pictures for!

    I don't agree that a fetus is a human being, but if you do then I honestly find it strange that you don't have an issue with people erecting pictures of naked babies (by your own definition, not mine). What the fúck like?
    Is a naked baby an offensive thing to you? Why? What’s offensive about an unborn baby? I know it’s a shock to see that the “clump of cells” or “fetus” is in fact after all actually a little human being but is it really offensive?


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    #7724
    Smertrius
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Smertrius


    you call yourself love both and you are forcing a teenager to keep the pregnancy going


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    #7725
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    You wouldn't be condoning the use of contraception now would you??? Sure that kills millions of living sperm, is this not an issue for 'pro-lifers'!!! Such hypocrisy!

    Ps, I'd imagine condoms are a better bet than balloons, but sure if you're stuck I suppose.

    Of course I condone contraception/condoms/ballons. U could probably climb into one


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    #7726
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    pleas advice wrote: »
    leaving aside the fetus / baby question, under what circumstances would a woman be refused an abortion under the proposed legislation, where it will be allowed without any reason being given?

    I would defer to NuMarvel and similar for answering this as they are more articulate and informed when it comes to the legal side of this issue. I stick to the science and philosophy side of it.

    But crossing a threshold time wise, underlying medical issues that would exacerbate the risks involved in abortion, would be the kinds of things I would say example the restrictions.


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    #7727
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Is a naked baby an offensive thing to you? Why? What’s offensive about an unborn baby? I know it’s a shock to see that the “clump of cells” or “fetus” is in fact after all actually a little human being but is it really offensive?

    I don't know, I think most people take a dim view of child pornograhy, appartently not yourself, sure fair enough, each to their own.


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    #7728
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Of course I condone contraception/condoms/ballons. U could probably climb into one

    Climb into a jonny? I'm not sure I follow.

    Haha doesn't sound all that interesting!


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    #7729
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Climb into a jonny? I'm not sure I follow.

    Haha doesn't sound all that interesting!

    U just keep typing away...ur doing a GREAT job


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    #7730
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »

    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 4 and 2 in the bath...........

    Do you think you'd get a different reception if you said
    splinter65 wrote: »

    I’ve got some pictures on my phone of my naked nieces aged 14 and 12 in the bath...........


    For you why is it ok if they are 4 and 2 ?

    Why is it not ok if they are 14 and 12 ?


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    #7731
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    U just keep typing away...ur doing a GREAT job

    Thank you, genuinely appreciate that.


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    #7732
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Thank you, genuinely appreciate that.

    I can see u believe it


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    #7733
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I can see u believe it

    Haha, you're like the crazy cat lady in the Simpsons, I haven't a clue what you're point is but you're genuinely interesting all the same.


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    #7734
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Haha, you're like the crazy cat lady in the Simpsons, I haven't a clue what you're point is but you're genuinely interesting all the same.

    Maybe u just haven't a clue? Seems that way


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    #7735
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    I don't know, I think most people take a dim view of child pornograhy, appartently not yourself, sure fair enough, each to their own.

    So if you see a friend/family/co workers photos of small children you only see them in a sexual light?
    Ok.


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    #7736
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    splinter65 wrote: »
    So if you see a friend/family/co workers photos of small children you only see them in a sexual light?
    Ok.

    You left out the naked part. Kinda makes a big difference.
    Why you would want pics of naked children of any age is beyond me. Least of all other people's children


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    #7737
    Smertrius
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Smertrius


    you call yourself love both and you are forcing a rape woman to keep up the pregnancy


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    #7738
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    So if you see a friend/family/co workers photos of small children you only see them in a sexual light?
    Ok.

    I can't understand why you condone the erecting of naked baby pictures (by your own definition) across Ireland, I mean say you had a newborn baby, would you start puting naked pictures of the poor child up across the country??


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    #7739
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nell McCafferty who is voting for repeal has compared abortion to the mass slaughter at the Somme in WW1.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nell-mccafferty-pro-lifers-are-right-about-some-things-1.3469975


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    #7740
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Do you think you'd get a different reception if you said




    For you why is it ok if they are 4 and 2 ?

    Why is it not ok if they are 14 and 12 ?

    But I didn’t say 12 and 14.because their not 12 and 14.
    it is your opinion that any loving auntie with treasured photos of precious small nieces having fun in the bath and who live far away is some kind of sexual deviant?
    There’s no depths you won’t go to to be right in this argument about what is and isn’t a human being.
    Well done.


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    #7741
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Maybe u just haven't a clue? Seems that way

    Hahahaha there's no MAYBE about it, I haven't a notion what you're on about, but like I said it's been fun.

    Anyway, let's go back to basics, what is your position on abortion?


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