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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #7772
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    uptherebels wrote: »
    You can show pics of foetus to me all you want. Tell me do pro lifers like looking a pics of third or fourth degree perineal tears or other injuries that some pregnant women suffer during childbirth?

    What have perineal tears got to to with abortion? Has anyone ever said “ ugh I’m pregnant I think I’ll have an abortion so I can avoid the stitches”?
    I would have thought this was exactly the type of argument you were trying to avoid.
    Reverse quick . You’ve shot yourself in the foot.


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    #7773
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    As another poster has pointed out, our secondary school children in science class are being currently taught that life begins at conception.
    Do you disagree with this?

    In fairness it is wrong, life began over a billion years ago and is a continuous process, also we don't even really know how life began in the first place.


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    #7774
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What makes you think I’m obliged to answer you at all?

    Is that a firm

    No . ?


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    #7775
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    In fairness it is wrong, life began over a billion years ago and is a continuous process, also we don't even really know how life began in the first place.

    Human life begins at conception. That’s what the school book says. You don’t agree. Where have you your biology PHD from?


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    #7776
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    A natural death.

    But what if the woman's body rejects the fetus, isn't that manslaughter in the eyes of someone who identifies as 'pro-life'.


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    #7777
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    baylah17 wrote: »
    At last we agree
    It is wrong and somewhat twisted

    Had to happen at some point 🙂 !


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    #7778
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,521 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    See some GAA players group in support of Voting No. The involvement and use of a lot of children in their launch, totally inappropriate.
    Also Mikey Harte of Tyrone, highest profile person I see. But he has no vote himself and lives in a different jurisdiction.


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    #7779
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    But what if the woman's body rejects the fetus, isn't that manslaughter in the eyes of someone who identifies as 'pro-life'.

    How could it be manslaughter? Tell us your reasoning.
    Manslaughter is a crime whereby a person dies as a result of someone else’s carelessness or recklessness.
    Many women suffer many miscarriages which cause them great misery.
    Why are you suggesting that a woman is to blame for her miscarriage because of her own recklessness or carelessness?


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    #7780
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Human life begins at conception. That’s what the school book says. You don’t agree. Where have you your biology PHD from?

    And at 12 weeks there even isn't really a heartbeat

    The cardiac cells are just spontaneuously beating

    Takes about 17 weeks for them to get organised





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    #7781
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    gctest50 wrote: »
    And at 12 weeks there even isn't really a heartbeat

    The cardiac cells are just spontaneuously beating

    Takes about 17 weeks for them to get organised

    You’d better get on to the Dept of Education.
    And all the other scientists.


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    #7782
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Human life begins at conception. That’s what the school book says. You don’t agree. Where have you your biology PHD from?

    So school books are infallible? Have they never changed throughout written history?

    Anyway I'm not currently in school, I couldn't tell you exactly what the school books say or who the authors were or what the personal beliefs/qualifications of the authors are etc etc.....there's a lot of incomplete information there.

    I don't actually have a degree in biology, do you? Also it's unhealthy not to question certain things from time to time, never trust anything that claims unquestionable truth!

    Ps, once again both sperm and eggs are life are they not? If they're dead, please prove it and publish your findings, because they would be an incredible discovery.


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    #7783
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’d better get on to the Dept of Education.
    And all the other scientists.

    I was just pointing out the heart cells beat spontaneously

    didn't mention any Junior cert book or anything else


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    #7784
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Human life begins at conception. That’s what the school book says. You don’t agree. Where have you your biology PHD from?

    I had eggs for breakfast this morning. It would've been weird to say that I had an unborn chicken for breakfast.


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    #7785
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    more accurate to say a hens period, probably


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    #7786
    Wildlife Actor
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    Achasanai wrote: »
    I had eggs for breakfast this morning. It would've been weird to say that I had an unborn chicken for breakfast.

    Worse. A menstrual product.


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    #7787
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    gctest50 wrote: »
    And at 12 weeks there even isn't really a heartbeat

    The cardiac cells are just spontaneuously beating

    Takes about 17 weeks for them to get organised


    Looks like a baby to me


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    #7788
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    pleas advice wrote: »
    more accurate to say a hens period, probably

    You can eat fertilised ones, probably have already




    One question floating among avid egg-eaters is if fertilized eggs are safe for consumption. The answer is yes. It is perfectly okay to eat fertilized eggs. Also, as mentioned in the previous paragraphs, once the fertilized egg is stored inside the fridge, the embryo no longer undergoes any change or development. Rest assured that you can eat your fertilized chicken eggs just fine like the unfertilized ones


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    #7789
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    splinter65 wrote: »
    How could it be manslaughter? Tell us your reasoning.
    Manslaughter is a crime whereby a person dies as a result of someone else’s carelessness or recklessness.
    Many women suffer many miscarriages which cause them great misery.
    Why are you suggesting that a woman is to blame for her miscarriage because of her own recklessness or carelessness?

    If you believe abortion is murder then surely a miscarriage is manslaughter, again you can't credibly believe one and not the other, unless you attempting to make up the rules as you go along.

    You explain it, the ball is in you're court on this one.


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    #7790
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What have perineal tears got to to with abortion? Has anyone ever said “ ugh I’m pregnant I think I’ll have an abortion so I can avoid the stitches”?
    I would have thought this was exactly the type of argument you were trying to avoid.
    Reverse quick . You’ve shot yourself in the foot.

    Oh, no reversing necessary I was just highlighting that seeing pics that show the consequences of your choices work both ways.

    surely you are aware of the serious short and long term injuries and problems that women can suffer during childbirth that go far beyond stitches. And take those into consideration when shaming women for having an abortion.

    Keep those deflector shields up


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    #7791
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    gctest50 wrote: »
    You can eat fertilised ones, probably have already

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(food)
    not for me


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    #7792
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Oh, no reversing necessary I was just highlighting that seeing pics that show the consequences of your choices work both ways.

    surely you are aware of the serious short and long term injuries and problems that women can suffer during childbirth that go far beyond stitches. And take those into consideration when shaming women for having an abortion.

    Keep those deflector shields up

    Should probably just go with IVF...maybe u could damage ur banjo string


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    #7793
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Fúck the egg, can we not just eat chicken? I know a place, they sell buckets of it!


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    #7794
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Oh, no reversing necessary I was just highlighting that seeing pics that show the consequences of your choices work both ways.

    surely you are aware of the serious short and long term injuries and problems that women can suffer during childbirth that go far beyond stitches. And take those into consideration when shaming women for having an abortion.

    Keep those deflector shields up

    There's no defending killing babies. You can twist and turn as u wish..it doesn't change anything


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    #7795
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    pleas advice wrote: »


    not for me

    bit more like so :



    probably had loads


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    #7796
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    There's no defending killing babies. You can twist and turn as u wish..it doesn't change anything

    Damn right, I can't imagine anybody here agrees with killing babies, I think we're all united on this one.


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    #7797
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    Damn right, I can't imagine anybody here agrees with killing babies, I think we're all united on this one.

    U certainly do. Speaks volumes about ya


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    #7798
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    There's no defending killing babies. You can twist and turn as u wish..it doesn't change anything

    They are not babies, you can try and twist and turn that fact as much as you like, but it won't change the outcome of the vote, thankfully more of the country is ready to move on from the middle ages.


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    #7799
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Looks like a baby to me

    That’s a drawing.


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    #7800
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    U certainly do.

    I DO????

    Well fúck shouldn't I be locked up, you can't have baby killers on the loose!!!


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    #7801
    Blahblah2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭Blahblah2012


    Inquitus wrote: »
    They are not babies, you can try and twist and turn that fact as much as you like, but it won't change the outcome of the vote, thankfully more of the country is ready to move on from the middle ages.

    Says you...ha


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