The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

January

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

Hey Robert... Tell me what you think of this blatent lying from the 'prolife' side

Grayson

NuMarvel wrote: »

The difference is a problem with legislation can be fixed pretty quickly, whereas a problem with the constitution would take an absolute minimum of 32 days to fix (assuming no objections or delays whatsoever) and almost certainly still needs new legislation anyway. That's a minimum of 32 days that whoever is suffering because of the problem has to wait.

If it was one of your daughters, would you really be happy that they had to wait that month (or longer), just because someone wasn't completely satisfied with the normal legislative process?

And you'd probably need to ask everyone in the country to approve her treatment.

Grayson

January wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

Hey Robert... Tell me what you think of this blatent lying from the 'prolife' side

That's hilarious!

gmisk

January wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

Hey Robert... Tell me what you think of this blatent lying from the 'prolife' side

I should be surprised but I am not.... Embarrassing

Ave Sodalis

January wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

Hey Robert... Tell me what you think of this blatent lying from the 'prolife' side

Carndonagh must be so nice, they made it twice :pac:

ForestFire

January wrote: »

Stop with the lies Robert, you've been called out so many times on it. If the 8th is repealed the 12 week legislation is not a guarantee. It could be shot down at the first hurdle by members of the Dail, you and I both know it you just love to scaremonger.

January wrote: »

I refer you to Disabled People Together for Yes's facebook page for an answer to this one. Are these the types of checks you're talking about?

January wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975503349188630&id=522800944458885

Hey Robert... Tell me what you think of this blatent lying from the 'prolife' side

You accuse Robertkkk of scaremongering for bring up the 12 weeks unrestricted abortion, when this is the only proposal on the table (72hrs is in no way a real restriction).

Later you freely post yourself, information of the 12 weeks limit that will be introduced, to show how restrictive it will be. (Its not a lie anymore seemingly)

And now your calling out Robertkkk, on a facebook post that he himself has not raised?

January

ForestFire wrote: »

You accuse Robertkkk of scaremongering for bring up the 12 weeks unrestricted abortion, when this is the only proposal on the table (72hrs is in no way a real restriction).

Later you freely post yourself, information of the 12 weeks limit that will be introduced, to show how restrictive it will be. (Its not a lie anymore seemingly)

And now your calling out Robertkkk, on a facebook post that he himself has not raised?

They're still proposals and no guarantees so no lies there.

I'm asking Robert what he thinks about the pro life side blatently lying which he purports the pro choice side do a lot in this very thread.

swampgas

Good article by Fintan O'Toole, which resonates with me.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-how-i-discovered-what-i-felt-about-abortion-1.3471554

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Just think what non socialist feminists might think it looks like in an abortion referendum. You can disagree but just saying it is unfortunate...

I'd say feminists who don't belong to the group, would know its a common emblem used for identifying that group world wide. Anyone else can do a quick google image search and find similar images belonging to out if they needed to, but wouldn't say that most would need to, for example one of the google images results brings you to soc_fem twitter account https://mobile.twitter.com/soc_fem

_Dara_

swampgas wrote: »

Good article by Fintan O'Toole, which resonates with me.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-how-i-discovered-what-i-felt-about-abortion-1.3471554

Tanx luv, will have a read of that with an ol' cup of tea now!

kylith

Respect to these people.

https://twitter.com/Stephanenny/status/986860375667888128?s=20

Adoption/fostering is a pillar of the prolife side but as mentioned earlier adoption is short of impossible in most if not all cases as fostering is the main preferred option by the relevant authorities here.

In the U.K. at the moment and cant see it yet but according to my wife prime time is covering the Keith Burke case tonight.
While there are many fine foster families out there, others are not as this case shows, given that his parents were told by the authorities not to give him unsupervised access to any children in their care but left the children there where the abuse continued.

Ave Sodalis

DubInMeath wrote: »

Adoption/fostering is a pillar of the prolife side but as mentioned earlier adoption is short of impossible in most if not all cases as fostering is the main preferred option by the relevant authorities here.

In the U.K. at the moment and cant see it yet but according to my wife prime time is covering the Keith Burke case tonight.
While there are many fine foster families out there, others are not as this case shows, given that his parents were told by the authorities not to give him unsupervised access to any children in their care but left the children there where the abuse continued.

The Adoption Rights Alliance is advocating repeal. They wrote a very strongly worded paper on it too.

ARA is opposed in the strongest possible terms to the notion that adoption represents a viable alternative to abortion. We firmly recognise the right of a woman to choose not to proceed with a pregnancy.

RobertKK

All sides lie in anything that involves getting people's votes, as Yes supporter Pat Rabbitte said, its what you do in elections.
The yes side here take a holier than thou approach as if they are full of virtue and no one on their side ever lies.

RobertKK

DubInMeath wrote: »

I'd say feminists who don't belong to the group, would know its a common emblem used for identifying that group world wide. Anyone else can do a quick google image search and find similar images belonging to out if they needed to, but wouldn't say that most would need to, for example one of the google images results brings you to soc_fem twitter account https://mobile.twitter.com/soc_fem

Really, most will see Socialist feminists and think...lefty preachy feminists, not to mention the hand grabbing something in the womb with a Yes...in a quest to legalise abortion more widely.

UsBus

After watching the Burke case tonight, it would really highlight the backward nature of this country in relation to children.
Preventing abortion & congratulating ourselves as a country that values the lives of every child equally. Then ignoring the fact that unwanted children can end up suffering a life of abuse and mistreatment in foster homes or mother and baby homes.

A horrible history this country has and continues to have.

Ave Sodalis

RobertKK wrote: »

All sides lie in anything that involves getting people's votes, as Yes supporter Pat Rabbitte said, its what you do in elections.
The yes side here take a holier than thou approach as if they are full of virtue and no one on their side ever lies.

Translation: I've just seen the absolutely ridiculous thing January posted and I have no way to respond to it due to how embarrassing it is. Instead, I'm going to deflect, and hope nobody notices.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

All sides lie in anything that involves getting people's votes, as Yes supporter Pat Rabbitte said, its what you do in elections.
The yes side here take a holier than thou approach as if they are full of virtue and no one on their side ever lies.

Again, you have some neck accusing others of a "holier than thou" attitude.

amcalester

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Translation: I've just seen the absolutely ridiculous thing January posted and I have no way to respond to it due to how embarrassing it is. Instead, I'm going to deflect, and hope nobody notices.

Has Robert ever been able to actually show any lies by the Yes campaign?

RobertKK

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Translation: I've just seen the absolutely ridiculous thing January posted and I have no way to respond to it due to how embarrassing it is. Instead, I'm going to deflect, and hope nobody notices.

You proved my point, thank you.

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Again, you have some neck accusing others of a "holier than thou" attitude.

Does the Yes side ever tell lies?

Yes or No?

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

All sides lie in anything that involves getting people's votes, as Yes supporter Pat Rabbitte said, its what you do in elections.
The yes side here take a holier than thou approach as if they are full of virtue and no one on their side ever lies.

What lies has the Yes side told, Robert? How do you think they compare to the lies the No side has told?

gctest50

in case you missed this

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

How did I know that was going to be a pro-life video before I even pressed play?

January wrote: »

It's not actually . It's from the March for choice a few years ago just cleverly edited to suit an agenda as per usual. Robert tried to use it in the other thread but was called out on it then too.

January wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1224728841006221&id=191023254376790

RobertKK

kylith wrote: »

What lies has the Yes side told, Robert? How do you think they compare to the lies the No side has told?

You believe everything the Yes side puts out?

Yes or no?

amcalester

RobertKK wrote: »

Does the Yes ever tell lies?

Yes or No?

I’ve not seen any, care to post some examples?

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

You believe everything the Yes side puts out?

Yes or no?

Please answer my questions first.

RobertKK

gctest50 wrote: »

in case you missed this

I never post here something out of the blue directed at anyone. I feel it is targeting someone to do it, when it has absolutely nothing to do with me.

I am not like Yes people here who act all gullible that the side they support only puts out the truth and no lies.

gctest50

just being helpful - easy miss stuff

January wrote: »

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Robert tried to use it in the other thread but was called out on it then too.

amcalester

RobertKK wrote: »

I never post here something out of the blue directed at anyone. I feel it is targeting someone to do it, when it has absolutely nothing to do with me.

I am not like Yes people here who act all gullible that the side they support only puts out the truth and no lies.

You’ve made a few claims that the Yes side are posting lies, it should be easy enough to back that claim up with some evidence.

Can you do that?

Ave Sodalis

RobertKK wrote: »

You proved my point, thank you.

In what way does that prove your point?