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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #2102
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    preacher2 wrote: »
    The simple fact is, deciding whether or not another human being lives or dies based on your own convenience is disgusting and evil. Why should I join a military, deploy, fight terrorism, when babies are being murdered by the hundreds in my own home country?

    Anyone who thinks abortion is ok is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

    What are you going on about? You registered on boards in 2013 in anticipation of this thread?

    They're coming out of the woodwork literally tonight.


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    #2103
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Another first time poster thinking abortion is some sort of convenience.

    Apt user name and all.

    But they held back for so long. I think someone has hacked a load of old accounts.


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    #2104
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Another first time poster thinking abortion is some sort of convenience.

    Apt user name and all.


    I think the easiest thing to do is to just completely ignore posts like that. They'll either elaborate eventually on their point, or go away again.

    Plus, I don't even think they're Irish given how they speak about the "military".


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    #2105
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    preacher2 wrote: »
    The simple fact is, deciding whether or not another human being lives or dies based on your own convenience is disgusting and evil. Why should I join a military, deploy, fight terrorism, when babies are being murdered by the hundreds in my own home country?

    Anyone who thinks abortion is ok is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
    No
    Your disgusting
    But that's ok
    Because we live in a democracy
    And disgusting will lose


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    #2106
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm going to assume this was a simple mistake on your part but ground C in the UK is



    you seem to have missed the physical part.

    It’s true what Bertie says about mental health grounds being the grounds for >90% of terminations in the U.K. - and I’m ok with that

    The stars are published by the U.K. government every year.

    A lot of his other ideas are nonsense though. Yesterday it was unrestricted abortion up to birth or something.


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    #2107
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    bertieinexile wrote: »
    Kantar Millward Brown and B&A both give similar results for support for abortion on demand/request up to 12 weeks - around 43yes /35no
    RedC give a much higher number for yes.

    So, that's 3 polls, 3 wins for repeal. looks OK to me.


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    #2108
    ligertigon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭ligertigon


    If the 8th is not repealed.
    When will the next election for it take place?


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    #2109
    Simi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Simi


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    My friend got the attached leaflet handed to her the other day. We all had some laugh at the last paragraph.

    That's actually hilarious! :D I'm impressed they managed to make it all the way to 'point' 7 before descending into absolute insanity.

    If you have a picture of the whole thing, I'd love to read the rest of their manifesto.


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    #2110
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    What worries me is that once the 8th is repealed, the unborn child has no rights whatsoever under the constitution. That's a problem for me.

    There could have been some reasonable replacement for the 8th instead of repeal.

    It's like the choice between Hillary and Trump all over again.


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    #2111
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    :eek::eek: They're actually giving these out? Surely something that misleading is not allowed?

    Allowed? Theres no real regulation to allow or not allow

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2112
    preacher2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭preacher2


    Well ok then, since there are some quick replies being thrown lets debate.

    First of all I am Irish and I speak of the military as any educated person on that subject would.

    So go ahead and give me a reason babies should be killed.

    I already know a few of them that you use but lets try to convert me, I have an open mind and I will listen to ALL of your points (keep them simply paragraphed I need to reply). But if I am to listen to your points and consider them, you are to mine.

    Goodluck :)


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    #2113
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Simi wrote: »
    That's actually hilarious! :D I'm impressed they managed to make it all the way to 'point' 7 before descending into absolute insanity.

    If you have a picture of the whole thing, I'd love to read the rest of their manifesto.

    They handed them outside a pro choice event

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2114
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    professore wrote: »
    What worries me is that once the 8th is repealed, the unborn child has no rights whatsoever under the constitution.

    The unborn had no rights under the Constitution from 1937 to 1983, and abortion was illegal for that entire time.

    It was the 8th which made abortion legal.


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    #2115
    preacher2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭preacher2


    Why do you call eachother ''pro choice''?

    You have choice? You can go out and cut your own ears off if and feed them to birds, nobody cares. You can tattoo a snake over your face, nobody cares. You can get surgery to put fake horns under your skin NOBODY CARES.

    You have full choice. But when it comes to a DIFFERENT body (not your body - basic biology) then no, you do not nor will you EVER have the right to decide what happens to it. No matter what happens with the 8th.


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    #2116
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    preacher2 wrote: »
    Well ok then, since there are some quick replies being thrown lets debate.

    First of all I am Irish and I speak of the military as any educated person on that subject would.

    So go ahead and give me a reason babies should be killed.

    I already know a few of them that you use but lets try to convert me, I have an open mind and I will listen to ALL of your points (keep them simply paragraphed I need to reply). But if I am to listen to your points and consider them, you are to mine.

    Goodluck :)

    Because as an Irish woman I can be denied medical care if I am pregnant until my life is at immediate risk.

    Because as an Irish woman if I find out I am carrying a foetus that will not survive I am forced by law to carry to term, deliver, and watch it die.

    Because as an Irish woman if I am having a miscarriage doctors can’t do anything to speed the process, even though the foetus is doomed anyway.


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    #2117
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    preacher2 wrote: »
    You have full choice. But when it comes to a DIFFERENT body (not your body - basic biology) then no, you do not nor will you EVER have the right to decide what happens to it. No matter what happens with the 8th.

    What?


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    #2118
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    preacher2 wrote: »
    Well ok then, since there are some quick replies being thrown lets debate.

    First of all I am Irish and I speak of the military as any educated person on that subject would.

    So go ahead and give me a reason babies should be killed.

    I already know a few of them that you use but lets try to convert me, I have an open mind and I will listen to ALL of your points (keep them simply paragraphed I need to reply). But if I am to listen to your points and consider them, you are to mine.

    Goodluck :)

    Given your next post, and the one before it, I highly doubt you'll keep an open mind and listen to any posts...


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    #2119
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    preacher2 wrote: »

    You have full choice. But when it comes to a DIFFERENT body (not your body - basic biology) then no, you do not nor will you EVER have the right to decide what happens to it. No matter what happens with the 8th.

    If it is in my body and dependant on my body to the point that it is leaching calcium from my bones it is not independent.


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    #2120
    bertieinexile
    Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭bertieinexile


    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    It’s true what Bertie says about mental health grounds being the grounds for >90% of terminations in the U.K.
    Thanks Prof
    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    The stars are published by the U.K. government every year.
    I was reminded of the mental health ground number when I read the Telegraph article posted earlier. Thanks DubInMeath for the SPUC article. Good one.
    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    A lot of his other ideas are nonsense though. Yesterday it was unrestricted abortion up to birth or something.
    Can you remind me of the post?


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    #2121
    Simi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Simi


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    They handed them outside a pro choice event

    I stand corrected. The first page is even more insane than the second. Just wow!


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    #2122
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    preacher2 wrote: »
    But when it comes to a DIFFERENT body (not your body - basic biology) then no, you do not nor will you EVER have the right to decide what happens to it. No matter what happens with the 8th.

    We don't need to repeal the 8th for this. Irish people already have a constitutionally guaranteed right to information about abortion and the right to travel for abortions abroad.


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    #2123
    preacher2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭preacher2


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Given your next post, and the one before it, I highly doubt you'll keep an open mind and listen to any posts...

    If I say I am going to keep an open mind, which I am, and your only argument is ''I doubt you will'' it leaves you in no mans land a bit.

    Make an argument please or just dont bother replying to me it doesnt really make sense I will respect anyone who brings forward an actually decent argument (which there are for pro abortion) but coming up with something as wasteful as what you said is just a joke. Lets not joke, we arent clowns in a circus.


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    #2124
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    preacher2 wrote: »
    If I say I am going to keep an open mind, which I am, and your only argument is ''I doubt you will'' it leaves you in no mans land a bit.

    Make an argument please or just dont bother replying to me it doesnt really make sense I will respect anyone who brings forward an actually decent argument (which there are for pro abortion) but coming up with something as wasteful as what you said is just a joke. Lets not joke, we arent clowns in a circus.

    Then do you mind explaining what on earth you mean by your other post I replied to?


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    #2125
    preacher2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭preacher2


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Then do you mind explaining what on earth you mean by your other post I replied to?

    What? I am not asking for you to build me a rocket ship here, I am not here trying to argue with you, which you are clearly trying to do with me and I promise it wont end well.

    Just bring me a basic argument for abortion. 1 argument, I seen a women do it a few posts up but Im not sure if shes here for a debate.

    Most of you people dont want to listen so I am asking for one of you to come to a debate here.


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    #2126
    ligertigon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭ligertigon


    Abortion for rape / incest/ medical problems/complications... yes from me.

    But not on demand.

    Pro choice? you had a choice when the big mickey was going into the love tunnel :p did school not tell you about that part?

    On another note, In Ireland, unborn wild birds in eggs have rights but humans don't ? lol


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    #2127
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    preacher2 wrote: »
    What? I am not asking for you to build me a rocket ship here, I am not here trying to argue with you, which you are clearly trying to do with me and I promise it wont end well.

    Just bring me a basic argument for abortion. 1 argument, I seen a women do it a few posts up but Im not sure if shes here for a debate.

    Most of you people dont want to listen so I am asking for one of you to come to a debate here.

    I'm actually just asking you to explain what you meant by that other post because it didn't make any sense...

    Where's the proof that most of us won't listen? The very fact that there's over 12,000 posts between the two pages shows that people are willing to...erm... come to a debate? Posting about how abortion is murder, people who do it are disgusting, that women will never have choice over their wombs even if the 8th is repealed (??), and that because you want to join the army it means you have some sort of right to dictate what should happen (this isn't the US, we don't freakishly worship the army to the point where their opinion gets more weight than others here)... that's not debate either, and none of that shows any indication that you'd be even in the slightest bit willing to listen.


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    #2128
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    preacher2 wrote: »
    Well ok then, since there are some quick replies being thrown lets debate.

    First of all I am Irish and I speak of the military as any educated person on that subject would.

    So go ahead and give me a reason babies should be killed.

    I already know a few of them that you use but lets try to convert me, I have an open mind and I will listen to ALL of your points (keep them simply paragraphed I need to reply). But if I am to listen to your points and consider them, you are to mine.

    Goodluck :)

    All ears are you. I think you need to be curtious to posters and have a read of this thread, and it predecessor, before wading in with a "convince me post" and then a blood and guts post.


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    #2129
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,647 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    preacher2 wrote: »
    The simple fact is, deciding whether or not another human being lives or dies based on your own convenience is disgusting and evil. Why should I join a military, deploy, fight terrorism, when babies are being murdered by the hundreds in my own home country?

    Anyone who thinks abortion is ok is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
    preacher2 wrote: »
    Well ok then, since there are some quick replies being thrown lets debate.

    First of all I am Irish and I speak of the military as any educated person on that subject would.

    So go ahead and give me a reason babies should be killed.

    I already know a few of them that you use but lets try to convert me, I have an open mind and I will listen to ALL of your points (keep them simply paragraphed I need to reply). But if I am to listen to your points and consider them, you are to mine.

    Goodluck :)

    :rolleyes:


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    #2130
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Why do you think I am pro-life?


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    #2131
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    preacher2 wrote: »
    I am going to keep an open mind

    Bar humbug.....



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