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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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    #2312
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,601 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Another Waterford Whispers!
    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/03/27/man-6-months-into-posting-pro-choice-statuses-still-cant-find-girlfriend/?utm_source=WWN_Facebook_Page&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Social_Link&utm_content=Article


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    #2313
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I’ve said countless times that I am pro choice. I will vote to repeal one way or the other.

    The poster above you, a pro choicer, clearly states ‘we want abortion on request ’ - clearly some apparently sane folks to want that.

    As I say I will vote to repeal regardless but let’s not pretend everyone on the choice is being reasonable.

    You are being disingenuous to 'January' the poster above me.

    I will not vote regardless....
    I will vote to get rid of an obsolete piece of our constitution that is still being implemented.
    I will vote for the proposed 12 weeks, as it is a start but we will have to see how this goes and as January says it may well prove to be too limiting.
    I am also comfortable with the viability clause.


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    #2314
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,302 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    To be fair no I don’t - I was being facetious I suppose. I’d imagine it’ll be like any other doctors appointment that you make.
    You were scaremongering.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I’ve said countless times that I am pro choice.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I just fear many on the pro choice side want abortion on demand with no questions asked and I couldn’t in good conscience agree to that.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    The poster above you, a pro choicer, clearly states ‘we want abortion on request ’ - clearly some apparently sane folks to want that.
    I like how you mince your words when caught out bullsh|tting...


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    #2315
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,302 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Another Waterford Whispers!
    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/03/27/man-6-months-into-posting-pro-choice-statuses-still-cant-find-girlfriend/?utm_source=WWN_Facebook_Page&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Social_Link&utm_content=Article
    It sounds like the "man believes in feminism to get the ride" meme, tbh.


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    #2316
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,601 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    the_syco wrote: »
    It sounds like the "man believes in feminism to get the ride" meme, tbh.

    When I read it it reminded me of a guy trying to get off with Louise O'Neill.


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    #2317
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    the_syco wrote: »
    You were scaremongering.




    I like how you mince your words when caught out bullsh|tting...

    Where was I scaremongering? I just stated that I have a problem with the idea of abortion on demand without proper legislation.

    Request or demand it doesn’t matter what word is used - I just don’t want abortion to become another form of contraception is all. There has to be safe guards.

    I’m going to stress again that I am PRO CHOICE. I will vote to REPEAL regardless.

    I get the impression people think I’m closet pro life which isn’t true.


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    #2318
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭swampgas


    bertieinexile wrote: »
    I'm trying to put people off voting yes, but I'm just one man and there's only so much I can do. Thank God for Colm O'Gorman.

    Genuine question: why?

    Telling any woman that the embryo or foetus in her uterus matters more than she does is abhorrent to me. What makes you so arrogant that you think you can decide for women what they should do when faced with a crisis pregnancy?

    Because self-satisfied arrogance is what I'm getting from your posts.


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    #2319
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Where was I scaremongering? I just stated that I have a problem with the idea of abortion on demand without proper legislation.

    Request or demand it doesn’t matter what word is used - I just don’t want abortion to become another form of contraception is all. There has to be safe guards.

    I’m going to stress again that I am PRO CHOICE. I will vote to REPEAL regardless.

    I get the impression people think I’m closet pro life which isn’t true.

    Abortion cannot be used as contraception. You really do have all the anti choice buzzwords going on. I believe you'll vote for repeal but I really really dislike the way you speak about fellow women using abortion as contraception and demanding abortions.


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    #2320
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    I post in this thread because I want all the women reading it to feel supported and loved. I don't want any woman to feel like she is a murderer or a monster for having had an abortion or wanting to have an abortion. I want every woman to read this thread and know that her reason was valid, no matter what it was.

    I would like to think that my input has helped people see the many sides of this matter, it's not as simple as some people make it out to be. It's not as simple as "the only women who have abortions are dirty women who have one night stands" and I hope that people educate themselves and do their own research into this matter.


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    #2321
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    January wrote: »
    Abortion cannot be used as contraception. You really do have all the anti choice buzzwords going on. I believe you'll vote for repeal but I really really dislike the way you speak about fellow women using abortion as contraception and demanding abortions.

    Once again I’m not anti choice. I will vote to repeal. I’ve already said this many times.

    Like I said I’m probably being facetious. It’s just that I’ve heard a lot of the more militant pro choice side wanting abortion on demand with no legislation to govern it and that’s just not something I’d like to see.

    I’m sure no one will go out to use abortion as contraception but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legislated for.

    If I’m taking the use of the phrase ‘abortion on demand’ wrong please do show me and I will apologize. I do not want to cause anyone any offense.


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    #2322
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    You're definitely taking it wrong. It's an anti choice phrase. The legislation will be on request up to 12 weeks. There are many reasons for those requests. Have a look at Neyites Post a couple of pages back.

    Women don't use abortion as contraception and they certainly don't demand abortions.


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    #2323
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭swampgas


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I’m sure no one will go out to use abortion as contraception but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legislated for.

    That's a bit crazy, no? If you're sure no one will do it, why legislate for it?

    You seem to be looking for solutions to non-existant problems.


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    #2324
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    January wrote: »
    You're definitely taking it wrong. It's an anti choice phrase. The legislation will be on request up to 12 weeks. There are many reasons for those requests. Have a look at Neyites Post a couple of pages back.

    Women don't use abortion as contraception and they certainly don't demand abortions.

    How many more times - I am PRO CHOICE. I always have been and always will be.

    On the rest of your point if I took it wrong then I apologize. I would still like to proper legislation in place for abortion on request.

    To anyone I upset or offended here I am sorry - it was not my intention at all.


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    #2325
    applehunter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭applehunter


    Simon Coveney & Chris Donoghue today.

    446728.jpg


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    #2326
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    How many more times - I am PRO CHOICE. I always have been and always will be.

    On the rest of your point if I took it wrong and I apologize. I would still like to proper legislation in place for abortion on request.

    To anyone I upset or offended here I am sorry - it was not my intention at all.

    I never said you weren't pro choice. I said you're using anti choice terms.

    What proper legislation would you like to see in place?


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    #2327
    Ismisejack
    Site Banned Posts: 62 ✭✭Ismisejack


    I challenge all here who seem to know it all. All wise ones, I ask , tell me one case where there is no better solution to an issue than an abortion, an instance where something at stake is greater that that of a life.


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    #2328
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭swampgas


    applehunter wrote: »
    Simon Coveney & Chris Donoghue today.

    446728.jpg

    An appropriate image considering the poster.


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    #2329
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    swampgas wrote: »
    That's a bit crazy, no? If you're sure no one will do it, why legislate for it?

    You seem to be looking for solutions to non-existant problems.

    Ok if I’m wrong about where this is going then I apologize - I would just like to think that there will be proper procedures in place so that women can informed choices in full knowledge of all the options available and that everything has been done to ensure they are making the right choice for themselves

    Again let me apologize for any offense caused to anyone here and stress again I am Pro Choice so I am on your side


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    #2330
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    I challenge all here who seem to know it all. All wise ones, I ask , tell me one case where there is no better solution to an issue than an abortion, an instance where something at stake is greater that that of a life.

    What "better solutions" are you talking about?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2331
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,524 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Some fierce, falling out of love with Simon, today.
    I see the man working through things slowly, very much in the public gaze. But the weighted majority notion, is just nuts.
    What now about those weak lesser FG TD mortals, who fell in behind him and are now left exposed?


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    #2332
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    I challenge all here who seem to know it all. All wise ones, I ask , tell me one case where there is no better solution to an issue than an abortion, an instance where something at stake is greater that that of a life.

    Take my example. Feeding my already born children took precedence over me giving birth to another child.


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    #2333
    Ismisejack
    Site Banned Posts: 62 ✭✭Ismisejack


    First of all, if there’s a will there’s a way. That’s my opinion. If it’s not an option don’t have children play safe in bed simple as that. Regards your contraception fails mantra , that’s a risk , as unlikely as it mite be, that one must be willing to take when having sex. Ending human life isn’t a solution to negligence


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    #2334
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    First of all, if there’s a will there’s a way. That’s my opinion. If it’s not an option don’t have children play safe in bed simple as that. Regards your contraception fails mantra , that’s a risk , as unlikely as it mite be, that one must be willing to take when having sex. Ending human life isn’t a solution to negligence

    So don't have sex with my husband for another 15 plus years that's your solution? It's not workable.


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    #2335
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    First of all, if there’s a will there’s a way. That’s my opinion. If it’s not an option don’t have children play safe in bed simple as that. Regards your contraception fails mantra , that’s a risk , as unlikely as it mite be, that one must be willing to take when having sex. Ending human life isn’t a solution to negligence

    You don't seem to remember much from the answers you're received already.

    What about rape? What about FFA? No negligence in either of those cases, and yet the 8th amendment says tough, suck it up. Is that your position too?


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    #2336
    Ismisejack
    Site Banned Posts: 62 ✭✭Ismisejack


    January wrote: »
    So don't have sex with my husband for another 15 plus years that's your solution? It's not workable.

    Have it yes , but should it result in child that’s nature, and the child being an inconvenience isn’t a valid reason for murdering it, denying it it’s only life


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    #2337
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    Have it yes , but should it result in child that’s nature, and the child being an inconvenience isn’t a valid reason for murdering it, denying it it’s only life

    Not an inconvenience. Something that would push us into poverty.


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    #2338
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,080 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    First of all, if there’s a will there’s a way. That’s my opinion. If it’s not an option don’t have children play safe in bed simple as that. Regards your contraception fails mantra , that’s a risk , as unlikely as it mite be, that one must be willing to take when having sex. Ending human life isn’t a solution to negligence

    This has been done to death. You just refuse to take on board anything.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2339
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    Have it yes , but should it result in child that’s nature, and the child being an inconvenience isn’t a valid reason for murdering it, denying it it’s only life

    Your idea of "inconvenience" is staggering.


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    #2340
    Ismisejack
    Site Banned Posts: 62 ✭✭Ismisejack


    swampgas wrote: »
    You don't seem to remember much from the answers you're received already.

    What about rape? What about FFA? No negligence in either of those cases, and yet the 8th amendment says tough, suck it up. Is that your position too?

    Regards rape, victim should be assisted in whatever way possible while having baby and can be put up for adoption if it has to be the case. Rape is wrong, it’s inexcusable however abortion isn’t the solution, two wrongs don’t make a right, you are proposing to murder a child because of its fathers actions. With regards ffa, that is dealt with appropriately in 2013 act


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    #2341
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    Ismisejack wrote: »
    Have it yes , but should it result in child that’s nature, and the child being an inconvenience isn’t a valid reason for murdering it, denying it it’s only life

    You've been told many times that it is not murder, so please stop banding about a serious baseless accusation. Your horns are showing.


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