UFC FIGHT NIGHT WERDUM VS VOLKOV

Mehaffey1

Bullet from Roberts there, Enkamp looked about 16 years old

Whelo79

Another quick KO. Nice.

Enkamp just looked too slow and laboured entering and exiting with his strikes. When you think how quick Wonderboy and Till are (who are similar style fighters as Encamp) they move much quicker.

jodaw

John_D80 wrote: »

Pendred, Holohan, Daly. All quality fighters and far from terrible.

These are the exact fighters i am talking about

Pendred ... punching bag
Holohan ... grappler that got outgrappled by smolka. zero striking
Daly ... terrible

and these were the best ?

Now this new prospect has tons of hype and looks like a killer, goes to SBG and get demolished in the next fight

What is the record of SBG in ufc without conor?

jimmii

Whelo79 wrote: »

Another quick KO. Nice.

Enkamp just looked too slow and laboured entering and exiting with his strikes. When you think how quick Wonderboy and Till are (who are similar style fighters as Encamp) they move much quicker.

Yeah he seemed to want to just try as many fancy spinning kicks as possible you just can't go doing that at this level.

jimmii

Was Darren Till saying how do I look how do I look there?

You look like you didn't know you were going to be on TV is how you look!

John_D80

jodaw wrote: »

These are the exact fighters i am talking about

Pendred ... punching bag
Holohan ... grappler that got outgrappled by smolka. zero striking
Daly ... terrible

and these were the best ?

Now this new prospect has tons of hype and looks like a killer, goes to SBG and get demolished in the next fight

What is the record of SBG in ufc without conor?

All three mentioned got to the Premier MMA promotion in the world entirely on their own merit. They may not have set the world on fire but they got there when 99.99999999% of fighters wont even ever get near it and the same percentage of MMA teams will never get a single fighter in the UFC, never mind as many as SBG has.

Visconti

jodaw wrote: »

These are the exact fighters i am talking about

Pendred ... punching bag
Holohan ... grappler that got outgrappled by smolka. zero striking
Daly ... terrible

and these were the best ?

Now this new prospect has tons of hype and looks like a killer, goes to SBG and get demolished in the next fight

What is the record of SBG in ufc without conor?

I agree.

jodaw

John_D80 wrote: »

All three mentioned got to the Premier MMA promotion in the world entirely on their own merit. They may not have set the world on fire but they got there when 99.99999999% of fighters wont even ever get near it and the same percentage of MMA teams will never get a single fighter in the UFC, never mind as many as SBG has.

Holohan - lost his qualification fight on Ultimate Fighter (so could not get to ultimate fighter and should never got to UFC)
Daly - lost on ultimate fighter
Pendred - had great heart but never skill for decent level in UFC

Fact is they all got to UFC because of interest in McGregor/Ireland and a huge expansion of the UFC roster.

Out of interest does anyone have a win loss record for SBG in UFC without Mcgregor? It must be shocking.

Visconti

jodaw wrote: »

Holohan - lost his qualification fight on Ultimate Fighter (so could not get to ultimate fighter and should never got to UFC)
Daly - lost on ultimate fighter
Pendred - had great heart but never skill for decent level in UFC

Fact is they all got to UFC because of interest in McGregor/Ireland and a huge expansion of the UFC roster.

Totally agree they would have got nowhere on their own merit, had they been English or American etc they would not have got any limelight over much more talented fighters.
Ward is a stumpy slugger I would love to see a rematch with him and Johnny Redmond without the McGregor circus.

jimmii

Chance for sbg to redeem themselves a bit now!

Whelo79

Really rooting for Phillips here. Seems like a really nice guy and he's been through a hell of a 2 years trying to actually make his UFC debut.

For anyone who didn't read it, his interview this week on the 42.ie is well worth a read.

jimmii

jimmii wrote: »

Chance for sbg to redeem themselves a bit now!

Or not!

jodaw

Phillips looks like he never grappled in his life. Taken down in 5 seconds and mounted in 10.

Chalk another loss up for SBG

John_D80

jodaw wrote: »

Holohan - lost his qualification fight on Ultimate Fighter (so could not get to ultimate fighter and should never got to UFC)
Daly - lost on ultimate fighter
Pendred - had great heart but never skill for decent level in UFC

Fact is they all got to UFC because of interest in McGregor/Ireland and a huge expansion of the UFC roster.

Out of interest does anyone have a win loss record for SBG in UFC without Mcgregor? It must be shocking.

LOL you were really objective in your analysis there weren't you. Well done on summing up their individual careers in a single sentence.

Pendred, Daly and Holohan all carved out great (albeit short-lived) careers for themselves. They seperated themselves from the overwhelming vast majority of MMA fighters.

Mehaffey1

Domination there from Byrd

jodaw

jodaw wrote: »

Is Kavanagh any good as a coach? I mean apart for McGregor every other UFC fighter from SBG have been terrible.

Amirkani was a fighter with some hype aswell, he went to SBG , then disappeared. What happened to the irish SBG takeover?

He got lucky with Conor.

jodaw

John_D80 wrote: »

LOL you were really objective in your analysis there weren't you. Well done on summing up their individual careers in a single sentence.

Pendred, Daly and Holohan all carved out great (albeit short-lived) careers for themselves. They seperated themselves from the overwhelming vast majority of MMA fighters.

no. i feel you a biased and not subjective

If any of them fighters were not irish and connected to mcgregor they would never have been in UFC.

If you want to point out how they should ever have fought in UFC, then say what the merit was?

Otherwise we will leave it at that.

Are you connected to SBG?

Visconti

John_D80 wrote: »

LOL you were really objective in your analysis there weren't you. Well done on summing up their individual careers in a single sentence.

Pendred, Daly and Holohan all carved out great (albeit short-lived) careers for themselves. They seperated themselves from the overwhelming vast majority of MMA fighters.

Seperated from other fighters mainly by being Irish. There are hundreds of fighters in the usa alone that would make short work of all those guys.
McGregor is a good entertaining fighter he deserves his spot the rest dont.

jodaw

Deleted User wrote: »

He got lucky with Conor.

Exactly this. I think he is more and more being found out as a coach on this level.

But it does make you wonder if Conor could have been even better with more legit coaching. Scary thought

John_D80

jodaw wrote: »

no. i feel you a biased and not subjective

If any of them fighters were not irish and connected to mcgregor they would never have been in UFC.

If you want to point out how they should ever have fought in UFC, then say what the merit was?

Otherwise we will leave it at that.

Are you connected to SBG?

I am in no way connected to SBG at all.

Just find it laughable that people are so quick to rubbish the team/coaches when they've accomplished more than the vast majority of MMA teams ever will.

All three of those fighters had records in reputable promotions that that earned them their place in the UFC. Not to mention good runs in TUF by both Pendred and Daly. And all three did well when they got there.

Vim Fuego

Is it not more of a case that McGregor is a once in a lifetime fighter, and the rest of the SBG talent pool is of the level expected from our population? We typically only get a handful of truly top level athletes in most sports each generation to be fair.

I am a fan of Paddy H, Pendred and the Bash though. I thought they did us proud during their time in the UFC, wins and losses. Not every fighter from here is going to be a champ.

jodaw

jodaw wrote: »

Exactly this. I think he is more and more being found out as a coach on this level.

But it does make you wonder if Conor could have been even better with more legit coaching. Scary thought

On that note, BJJ is the one area where Kavanagh himself is reasonably legit. He has a good lineage and some tournament medals.

And yet that's the area which Conor is weakest. Objectively sub-par on the ground for much of his career.

If that's not the mark of a bad coach I don't know what is.

jimmii

Another 4,59er they are leaving it late tonight!

jodaw

Edwards nowhere near that till fight. Till could not go from Cerone to that:pac:

Mehaffey1

Bisping racing to the bar there haha?

jimmii

jodaw wrote: »

Edwards nowhere near that till fight. Till could not go from Cerone to that:pac:

It's got to be done though in fairness. If he happens to lose in Liverpool and Edwards picks up another win it wouldn't seem crazy.

jimmii

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Bisping racing to the bar there haha?

Must be fun to just have the run of the place just be able to run around where you want lol!

stephenl15

jodaw wrote: »

Edwards nowhere near that till fight. Till could not go from Cerone to that:pac:

I remember thinking that when Diaz called out McGregor. Looking forward to Duquesnoy

John_D80

If Duquesnoy doesn't dominate here he may as well go back to BAMMA.

mailburner

Could see ware catching Tom yet

jimmii

I do like to see someone using leg kicks so much. Underutilised imo.

stephenl15

Milking the ball shot for a much needed breather

jimmii

Wtf was that decision!! They must have given double point for leg kicks?? Baffling enough that it was unanimous but that 30-27 is just bizarre.

finglashoop

****e judging

30 27??? Give me a break

shocksy

How the f**k did one judge score that 30-27. Shocking scoring

The White Feather

Did they get the fighters mixed up? What was that?!!

jimmii

The White Feather wrote: »

Did they get the fighters mixed up? What was that?!!

That actually makes me sense than the decision!

The White Feather

Get Tony out of that rain. He will catch a cold and the fight will be off!

John_D80

I did think Duquesnoy won the first and second but that is weird scoring. 30-27? Crazy

Mehaffey1

Khalabeeb 'I don't give a sh1t about Conor' that's how you start a promo haha

jimmii

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Khalabeeb 'I don't give a sh1t about Conor' that's how you start a promo haha

Best way to show you don't care is to mention him straight away lol!

mailburner

kinda fancy an upset here, blach has looked pretty good in his recent fights

jimmii

John_D80 wrote: »

I did think Duquesnoy won the first and second but that is weird scoring. 30-27? Crazy

Landed way more strikes and got the only two takedowns amazed the one judge didn't even give him a round. I thought the early takedown was basically going to be the decider with the other two rounds split.

EagererBeaver

John_D80 wrote: »

If Duquesnoy doesn't dominate here he may as well go back to BAMMA.

He's certainly struggling. Hasn't lived up to the hype so far.

Be interesting to see how Manuwa's chin is here after what Oezdemir did to it.

jimmii

mailburner wrote: »

kinda fancy an upset here, blach has looked pretty good in his recent fights

I think Manuwa is going to go out blasting but if he doesn't get it early he's in trouble.

fitzparker

Jimi in round 1 here.

Needs to redeem himself from volkan defeat

He is the gatekeeper for anyone trying to get into top 3

mailburner

You're not that good jimmi

John_D80

EagererBeaver wrote: »

He's certainly struggling. Hasn't lived up to the hype so far.

Going by prior form and performances, I straight up thought he would rip through most of the division in the UFC. At the rate he's going now he wont trouble anone in the top 15.

EagererBeaver

John_D80 wrote: »

Going by prior form and performances, I straight up thought he would rip through most of the division in the UFC. At the rate he's going now he wont trouble anone in the top 15.

Proximity bias on our part maybe. Shows you the true gulf between BAMMA and the UFC and just how much of a unicorn McGregor really is. Same applies to Pimblett for example - a lot of suggestions that he's championship calibre in the UFC. Can't see it happening at all.

Manuwa in serious trouble here. Surprised he lasted the round to be honest, thought he was done

jimmii

mailburner wrote: »

You're not that good jimmi

Harsh.