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Social Housing: a flawed system

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    #92
    Hitman3000
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    Only way I was able to respond to your post if you insist on hitting return after every sentence.
    What has fairness got to do with anything? The tenant pays the rent and honours their tenancy can't see what your issue is. After that it is none of your business. The rent does not remain constant as answered by other posters. It is subject to review every 12 months. Lastly some councils are moving to a fixed term tenancy of 30 years.


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    #93
    thierry14
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    What about all those first time buyers grants and mortgage interest relief co co tenants are subsidising through their taxes? Tax isn't a one way street which only those in private accomodation pay.

    Private sector workers pay all the tax, pay for everything

    They deserve something back


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    #94
    thierry14
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    As opposed to the person who wants housing demarcated for certain classes.

    You get what you pay for


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    #95
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    The Student wrote: »
    Not if its only based on the income of the house. Base it on the property irrespective of the income of the property. This would be fairer. Why should a person in a three bed property pay less than a family for exactly the same property.

    How would it be fairer? What couldn't be more fairer than a system based on income, or cpi?


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    #96
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,428 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    thierry14 wrote: »
    Private sector workers pay all the tax, pay for everything

    They deserve something back

    and what they deserve is the ability to buy a home at a reasonable and manageable price for as long as they see fit, for life if they wish


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    #97
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    thierry14 wrote: »
    Private sector workers pay all the tax, pay for everything

    They deserve something back

    Private sector workers live in co co houses too.


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    #98
    Hitman3000
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    The Student wrote:
    The same when you loose your house because you cant afford the private rent or you cant afford your mortgage!


    That's a cause of circumstance you seem to be advocating it as policy. There is a difference.


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    #99
    Hitman3000
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    Who's expense. They pay their rent so it's their expense.


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    #100
    Hitman3000
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    The Student wrote:
    Well then change the tenancy agreement or charge rent based on the property rather than the income to the property. If you want to stay in your community then that's okay but it will cost you to stay.

    Do you understand what social housing is?


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    #101
    Hitman3000
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    thierry14 wrote:
    We own the house


    Nope council does.


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    #102
    thierry14
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Private sector workers live in co co houses too.

    They do in some cases and it should only be temporary

    Generally if both are working in ok jobs they don't

    Council houses should be short term, emergency accommodation


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    #103
    Hitman3000
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    Well where are all these one bed properties and would you gaurntee to a tenant upon giving up a 3 bed they will get a one bed in the same area?


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    #104
    Wanderer78
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    thierry14 wrote: »
    They do in some cases and it should only be temporary

    Generally if both are working in ok jobs they don't

    Council houses should be short term, emergency accommodation

    so housing effectively is not an absolute necessity in ones life as a long term need?


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    #105
    thierry14
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Nope council does.

    Germany does tbf


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    #107
    thierry14
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    so housing effectively is not an absolute necessity in ones life as a long term need?

    It is

    You should pay for it

    No one else

    I shouldn't have to pay for them


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    #108
    Wanderer78
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    thierry14 wrote: »
    It is

    You should pay for it

    No one else

    I shouldn't have to pay for them

    what if they cannot pay, what if they can never truly pay the full costs of this?


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    #109
    PeterParker957
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    are you serious?

    I hope so, it's a great idea.


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    #110
    thierry14
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Nope council does.

    Whats your situaton

    Public sector work?

    Nice rural house?

    Away from it all?


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    #112
    Fann Linn
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    thierry14 wrote: »
    It is

    You should pay for it

    No one else

    I shouldn't have to pay for them

    I shouldn't have to pay for child care for other people's kids, but thats how society works.


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    #113
    PeterParker957
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    I shouldn't have to pay for child care for other people's kids, but thats how society works.

    It shouldn't. Having children is a choice.


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    #114
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


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    I am happy, delighted even, for people to be housed according to need. And as long as they need.

    But the current system houses people when they have long moved past having a need.

    A council house for life is a terrible idea for all the people on waiting lists that are years long.

    So turf one batch out and let another lot in.
    We used to call that 'hot bunking' when I worked on the ships.


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    #115
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    It shouldn't. Having children is a choice.

    Its also a necessity for a society.


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    #116
    Wanderer78
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    the idea of 'increasing worker insecurity' is rather disturbing, but should we also increase the insecurity of those that also do not work or cannot work?

    again, housing is an absolute need for all citizens, on a long term basis, for life in fact, its probably not a good idea to encourage the idea of increasing non worker insecurity as well!


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    #117
    Hitman3000
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    The Student wrote:
    Not if its only based on the income of the house. Base it on the property irrespective of the income of the property. This would be fairer. Why should a person in a three bed property pay less than a family for exactly the same property.


    That's how differential rent works. A policy employed by the majority of councils. I think the concept of social housing and it's reason d'etre is lost on you so pointless to respond any further.


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    #118
    Graham
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    the idea of 'increasing worker insecurity' is rather disturbing, but should we also increase the insecurity of those that also do not work or cannot work?

    again, housing is an absolute need for all citizens, on a long term basis, for life in fact, its probably not a good idea to encourage the idea of increasing non worker insecurity as well!

    It's probably not a good idea to put some of those that can't/won't work at an enormous advantage to those that can/do work either.

    That's not so say there's we shouldn't have social housing but there does need to be balance.

    One of the difficult parts is getting that balance right without pseudo-demographic cleansing in some of the higher price bracket residential areas.


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    #119
    Wanderer78
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    Graham wrote: »
    It's probably not a good idea to put some of those that can't/won't work at an enormous advantage to those that can/do work either.

    That's not so say there's we shouldn't have social housing but there does need to be balance.

    but we must ask, who in fact is our current approach to housing actually working for, as it seems, it doesnt favour most workers and none workers?


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