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Bono and the Taoiseach

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  • #52
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thomas__. wrote: »
    I'm more indifferent to him but better Bono the peacemaker than Trump the warmonger.

    You know what you are getting with Trump.

    Not so with somebody who will rattle off a platitudinous pop song and hop on and off bandwagons to lecture the people.

    Some good tunes but let's keep the value of that to humanity in perspective. :)


  • #53
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The song was supposed to be about Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    It is anti violence in general and, sadly, like most people in 1983 it had no practical solutions to stop the violence.

    But all hail Bono the peacemaker.

    He attributes the song to the Edge by the way, as he merely rewrote and restructured the song.

    The song was originally misinterpreted by republicans as support from U2 for their cause. Bono quickly disabused them of that sentiment.


  • #54
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The song was originally misinterpreted by republicans as support from U2 for their cause. Bono quickly disabused them of that sentiment.

    The song was inspired by Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    You said the song was 'anti IRA and anti UDA', it isn't specifically about those groups, it is anti violence.

    Stop jumping on bandwagons yourself. Bono is quite happy when it suits him, to have the song associated with events in Derry.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bono-remembers-the-real-bloody-sunday-20100622


  • #55
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    blanch152 wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The song was supposed to be about Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    It is anti violence in general and, sadly, like most people in 1983 it had no practical solutions to stop the violence.

    But all hail Bono the peacemaker.

    He attributes the song to the Edge by the way, as he merely rewrote and restructured the song.

    The song was originally misinterpreted by republicans as support from U2 for their cause. Bono quickly disabused them of that sentiment.

    One could say that you misinterprete the song by simply omitting to know that Bloody Sunday is about the Paras killing innocent civilians. I am sure that you know that yourself perfectly well but you still try to have the focus on the IRA and the UDA for which the Provos allegedly were around on that day in Derry but the UDA had nothing to do with it, just the Paras did the killings, destroying the Civil Rights Movement in NI.

    Extremists of any political stance love to abuse traditions and symbols for their own purpose. It is just a matter of whether the non-extremists let them get away with it unquestioned and unopposed.


  • #56
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    blanch152 wrote: »
    The song was originally misinterpreted by republicans as support from U2 for their cause. Bono quickly disabused them of that sentiment.

    The song was inspired by Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    You said the song was 'anti IRA and anti UDA', it isn't specifically about those groups, it is anti violence.

    Stop jumping on bandwagons yourself. Bono is quite happy when it suits him, to have the song associated with events in Derry.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bono-remembers-the-real-bloody-sunday-20100622

    Why did you come up with Bloody Sunday of November 1920 in your previous post as well?


  • #57
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Thomas__. wrote: »
    I'm more indifferent to him but better Bono the peacemaker than Trump the warmonger.

    You know what you are getting with Trump.

    Not so with somebody who will rattle off a platitudinous pop song and hop on and off bandwagons to lecture the people.

    Some good tunes but let's keep the value of that to humanity in perspective. :)

    Aye, lots of twatter sh1te from an old man who acts like a child and sits on the levers of a world power. That is worse than anything that comes from Bono.


  • #58
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thomas__. wrote: »
    Why did you come up with Bloody Sunday of November 1920 in your previous post as well?

    What?


  • #59
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Thomas__. wrote: »
    Why did you come up with Bloody Sunday of November 1920 in your previous post as well?

    What?
    Sorry, my mistake. I mixed it up with the content of the wiki article posted by blanch.


  • #60
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    I think a huge number of people view Bono as a complete tool. I don't think Leo is going to do his own reputation any favours by being seen to listen to him.


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  • #61
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The song was inspired by Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    You said the song was 'anti IRA and anti UDA', it isn't specifically about those groups, it is anti violence.

    Stop jumping on bandwagons yourself. Bono is quite happy when it suits him, to have the song associated with events in Derry.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bono-remembers-the-real-bloody-sunday-20100622

    Both Bono and the Edge state that the source of inspiration was both Bloody Sunday in Derry and Bloody Sunday in 1920.

    However, where you misinterpret it is that you mistake inspiration for support. Yes, Bono found the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified, but he also found the reaction by the IRA to the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified. That is the message of the song.


  • #62
    Billgirlylegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    I don't have to be on welfare to think Bono's a cock.

    Taking advantage of tax loopholes to avoid paying corporation taxes is hypocritical when he's telling the government to increases overseas aid , which the tax he avoids paying could contribute to.

    I like U2 and their music.

    I think Bono thinks Bono is a cock.
    He is trying to do some good - whether he is or not is debatable.
    I am fascinated why he talks to Leo Varadker about running / improving matters abroad.
    Leo should have a go at improving things here first. There is no obvious sign of talent to do so on his part.
    As regards the "Social Welfare" class and Tax Payer / evader issues, I don't know what the facts are or what is has to do with Bono.


  • #63
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Both Bono and the Edge state that the source of inspiration was both Bloody Sunday in Derry and Bloody Sunday in 1920.

    I'm sure it hasn't escaped anyone else's attention that both of those events involved members of the British Military shooting dead innocent civilians, yet somehow the song is anti IRA/UDA:confused:


  • #64
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,210 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Both Bono and the Edge state that the source of inspiration was both Bloody Sunday in Derry and Bloody Sunday in 1920.

    However, where you misinterpret it is that you mistake inspiration for support. Yes, Bono found the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified, but he also found the reaction by the IRA to the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified. That is the message of the song.

    Self serving again.

    There is no 'message' in the song about the 'reaction of the IRA'.


    The song is anti violence, all violence. I never, ever said, it was support.


  • #65
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    blanch152 wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The song was inspired by Bloody Sunday in Derry.

    You said the song was 'anti IRA and anti UDA', it isn't specifically about those groups, it is anti violence.

    Stop jumping on bandwagons yourself. Bono is quite happy when it suits him, to have the song associated with events in Derry.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bono-remembers-the-real-bloody-sunday-20100622

    Both Bono and the Edge state that the source of inspiration was both Bloody Sunday in Derry and Bloody Sunday in 1920.

    However, where you misinterpret it is that you mistake inspiration for support. Yes, Bono found the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified, but he also found the reaction by the IRA to the events of Bloody Sunday to be horrific and unjustified. That is the message of the song.

    Given their age, they both might have had some recollections of the news from back then in 1972, but 1920 was always history to them. Bono was 11 years of age, the other chap 10, in 1972. I don't know how much interest there really was for politics of youngsters of that age at that time, given that the whole band consists of members all grown up in the Dublin area. More to the point, it seems that they have picked it up as an example for the Troubles still going on in NI some ten / eleven years later in 1983.

    I wonder whether they knew that much about Bloody Sunday 1920 when the Croke Park massacre by the Black & Tans on innocent civilians in Dublin was preceeded by the killings of Secret Service Agents by the Squad of Michael Collins the night and morning before. The Brits retaliated to this with the Croke Park massacre, the Paras killed in 'some sort of retaliation' towards the civilians in Derry for what they had endured in Belfast (the Paras were deployed from Belfast to Derry and they didn't know the area, nor the local situation in Derry themselves).

    I grant them the insipration taken from Derry 1972 but I rather doubt the same for Dublin 1920 although the latter would be closer to them locally but more far away back in time as this was 48 years before Derry took place but I agree with Francie on stating that the song itself is against all violence cos that is the basis to include both of these events.


  • #66
    Thomas__.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Thomas__.


    boombang wrote: »
    I think a huge number of people view Bono as a complete tool. I don't think Leo is going to do his own reputation any favours by being seen to listen to him.

    I thought that the Taoiseach is there for all citizens, including him. I regard it to be more embarrassing to be seen with 'the Donald Big Trump' and Mrs May. The term 'tool' applies for the latter probably more than to Bono himself and that is because Trump and May are acting like puppets of other sinister forces pulling their strings behind them. What sort of sinister motivation does Bono might have, even allegedly?


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  • #67
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Who dislikes his song of Bloody Sunday?

    It has been misunderstood by a lot of people. It is basically an anti-terrorist and anti-violence song.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Bloody_Sunday

    "And let me tell you somethin'. I've had enough of Irish Americans who haven't been back to their country in twenty or thirty years come up to me and talk about the resistance, the revolution back home...and the glory of the revolution...and the glory of dying for the revolution. **** the revolution! They don't talk about the glory of killing for the revolution. What's the glory in taking a man from his bed and gunning him down in front of his wife and his children? Where's the glory in that? Where's the glory in bombing a Remembrance Day parade of old age pensioners, their medals taken out and polished up for the day. Where's the glory in that? To leave them dying or crippled for life or dead under the rubble of a revolution that the majority of the people in my country don't want. No more."

    This is an anti-IRA song, an anti-UDA song, highlighting the futility of terrorism.

    Maybe they don't like that it brings attention to innocent peaceful protesters being shot dead by the British 'security forces' and them refusing to apologise for 30 odd years? It's called 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' by the way.
    boombang wrote: »
    I think a huge number of people view Bono as a complete tool. I don't think Leo is going to do his own reputation any favours by being seen to listen to him.

    Bertie had tea with some bishop/priest or other on a regular basis to discuss the country.
    This might be Leo trying on the Tony Blair 'Cool Britannia' by chatting with Bono.... the accountants favourite bad boy?
    He hangs with billionaire Bono and calls in a favour for Trump. I suppose he just wants to be liked by the wealthy. Fine Gael is a good fit for him.


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