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So Patrick street is bus only from Thursday 9th August

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    #2162
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭ofcork


    And Alot more driving up and down Patrick st not a bother.


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    #2163
    timmyjimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭timmyjimmy


    Cycled down Patrick St. last Thursday evening @ 5:20. There was not one private car in sight.


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    #2164
    Mardyke
    Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Mardyke


    It would be interesting to see factual comparisons, number of vehicles passing down Patrick St before the ban and since the ban.


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    #2165
    Weltsmertz
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Weltsmertz


    Mardyke wrote: »
    It would be interesting to see factual comparisons, number of vehicles passing down Patrick St before the ban and since the ban.

    Very deliberately and tellingly these figures have not been released. Some people on this forum have postulated that the number of cars driving down Patrick Street between 3:00 and 6:30 is less than before the ban but there is no way to verify this claim.


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    #2166
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Weltsmertz wrote: »
    Very deliberately and tellingly these figures have not been released. Some people on this forum have postulated that the number of cars driving down Patrick Street between 3:00 and 6:30 is less than before the ban but there is no way to verify this claim.
    Fancy verifying this claim?


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    #2167
    Weltsmertz
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Weltsmertz


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Fancy verifying this claim?

    Certainly. Can you point me to where I can find these figure? You seem to be implying that they have been released. I would be very interested in seeing them.


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    #2168
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Weltsmertz wrote: »
    Certainly. Can you point me to where I can find these figure? You seem to be implying that they have been released. I would be very interested in seeing them.
    I have no idea if they exist or not. You made the claim that they've been deliberately withheld. Evidence please.


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    #2169
    Weltsmertz
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Weltsmertz


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I have no idea if they exist or not. You made the claim that they've been deliberately withheld. Evidence please.

    The evidence that they have been deliberately withheld is that they have not been made available.
    I have no way of proving their existence to you.


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    #2170
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,914 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    You say they obviously exist. How do you know they exist?
    I've no idea if they exist or not.
    But you are certain they do.
    How is that.
    Genuinely curious.


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    #2171
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,038 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    The council have deliberately refused to release the report on coypu activity on Patrick Street during the restricted hours.

    The proof of the validity of the above statement is the lack of release of said report.

    Why are they deliberately withholding this information?


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    #2172
    Blitzkrieger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Not sure if it's related but I was in the city centre yesterday lunchtime and I've never seen it so quiet. Maybe it's seasonal, but there didn't seem to be many shoppers, and I passed an amount of cafes, bars and restaurants that had little or no people in them. At lunchtime.

    I'd hate to be running a business in the city centre right now.


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    #2173
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Blitzkrieger wrote: »
    Not sure if it's related but I was in the city centre yesterday lunchtime and I've never seen it so quiet. Maybe it's seasonal, but there didn't seem to be many shoppers, and I passed an amount of cafes, bars and restaurants that had little or no people in them. At lunchtime.

    I'd hate to be running a business in the city centre right now.

    You probably noticed the weather swings as well, with occasional hail, right?
    Go there today - we'll see how empty it is.


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    #2174
    what the hell!
    Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Blitzkrieger wrote: »
    Not sure if it's related but I was in the city centre yesterday lunchtime and I've never seen it so quiet. Maybe it's seasonal, but there didn't seem to be many shoppers, and I passed an amount of cafes, bars and restaurants that had little or no people in them. At lunchtime.

    I'd hate to be running a business in the city centre right now.

    Ya I thought the same yesterday it was very quiet. The weather was pretty rotten though. Don’t think it’s like that every day.


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    #2175
    Mardyke
    Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Mardyke


    Is there an expectation that the city centre should be heaving all day every day? Is that realistic?

    Also, people May be confusing the nice car free environment with quiet?


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    #2176
    Blitzkrieger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Wasn't expecting it to be heaving, but it wasn't too far from deserted. And despite the inclement weather you'd expect some people around at lunchtime - sure who goes out in Ireland not prepared for some changeable weather? I was looking for somewhere to eat so I particularly noticed all the cafes, bars and restaurants that were empty.

    I've never seen the city centre so quiet, and there's likely more than one factor, but I can't help but suspect the biggest change in recent years is the biggest factor.


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    #2177
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    I was in there yesterday and cars were driving down pana at will during the ban time -not a lot of foot fall around shops were deserted


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    #2178
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Yeah it's been a very quiet week, the weekend was good though. The weather's been nucking futs though I'd say that's all it is.

    Quite few tourists around for this time, normally kicks off Paddy's weekend and climbs pretty steadily.

    I do a couple deliveries around Patrick St (on foot) and can't say I agree that cars are just ignoring the ban in any big numbers.


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    #2179
    Dbu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Dbu


    mean gene wrote: »
    I was in there yesterday and cars were driving down pana at will during the ban time -not a lot of foot fall around shops were deserted

    We must be looking at 2 different streets then
    A few cars, mostly rented following sat navs seem to be the only ones, bar a few people that simply dont read the signs.

    'Driving at will' is a bit if a stretch


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    #2180
    Weltsmertz
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Weltsmertz


    Blitzkrieger wrote: »
    Not sure if it's related but I was in the city centre yesterday lunchtime and I've never seen it so quiet.
    I'd hate to be running a business in the city centre right now.
    Blitzkrieger wrote: »
    I've never seen the city centre so quiet, and there's likely more than one factor, but I can't help but suspect the biggest change in recent years is the biggest factor.

    So you are blaming the car ban for the city center being quiet at lunchtime.
    Even though there is no car ban at lunchtime.
    It doesn't come into effect till 3:00pm

    Although from my observations there are fewer cars driving through Patrick Street before the ban comes into effect than while the ban is in effect.


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    #2181
    Mardyke
    Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Mardyke


    Anything lately from John Grace or Susan Ryan?!!


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    #2182
    Blitzkrieger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Weltsmertz wrote: »
    Although from my observations there are fewer cars driving through Patrick Street before the ban comes into effect than while the ban is in effect.

    Kind of makes sense - why would you have a ban at times when it's not needed.
    Weltsmertz wrote: »
    So you are blaming the car ban for the city center being quiet at lunchtime.
    Even though there is no car ban at lunchtime.

    Are you expecting people to make sense? Or to not still be in the city centre at 3pm after being there at lunchtime? I've met an amount of people who've been driving for years who barely know their way around the city centre. I knew one guy who'd lived in Cork for 16 years that when we were going from Grand Parade to McCurtain Street turned around and went down Pana because he didn't know how to get there using the South Mall. I totally believe people would throw their hands in the air and avoid the city centre altogether, rather than learn when and where the ban applies, if it effects them at all, and/or find another route.
    Gatlin Delightful Gearshift wrote: »
    Yeah it's been a very quiet week, the weekend was good though. The weather's been nucking futs though I'd say that's all it is.

    Jebus - I thought the weekend was quiet as well. At least from my experience of being out in town Saturday night. Sounds like you're there more than me though.



    Where's the data comparing periods from before and after? Cars in/out of the city centre as a whole? Footfall on Pana (and surrounds)? Sales data from shops/cafes/whatever in the city centre? All these things can be influenced by other factors, but might be indicative. Online shopping is getting ever more popular for example - is that having an effect? Could we compare the data to other areas for the same periods to see? I've stated what I suspect the reason might be, though my personal observations, shocking as they were to me, ain't much data.


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    #2183
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭ofcork


    The street is definitely gone quiet at weekends anyway but the ban is only one part shopping centres and online plus parking are the biggest factors.


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    #2184
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    ofcork wrote: »
    The street is definitely gone quiet at weekends anyway but the ban is only one part shopping centres and online plus parking are the biggest factors.

    Absolutely packed in town today, was brilliant seeing everyone out and about. Good weather probably had something to do with it, but I really think the "quietness" around town due to the car ban is highly exaggerated. I can't say I've noticed it and I'm in regularly.


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    #2185
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Perception is strange as I was around for an hour from 3.30 or so and the busiest part of the street was the protest!


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    #2186
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Deserted again today


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    #2187
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭ofcork


    But plenty of cars ignored the ban.


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    #2188
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Yip what ban??


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    #2189
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Is there any way that CCC can have wardens, much like lollipop-ladies (or whatever they are called now), stop and divert traffic to enforce the ban? I was once told by a Garda that you legally have to stop for them, not sure about diversion, but at least the Council could them enforce their own ban (might require some law adjustment -maybe someone could advise).


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    #2190
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Is there any way that CCC can have wardens, much like lollipop-ladies (or whatever they are called now), stop and divert traffic to enforce the ban? I was once told by a Garda that you legally have to stop for them, not sure about diversion, but at least the Council could them enforce their own ban (might require some law adjustment -maybe someone could advise).

    That would require a small bit of effort on the Councils behalf. Something which is not popular in City Hall.


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    #2191
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Is there any way that CCC can have wardens, much like lollipop-ladies (or whatever they are called now), stop and divert traffic to enforce the ban? I was once told by a Garda that you legally have to stop for them, not sure about diversion, but at least the Council could them enforce their own ban (might require some law adjustment -maybe someone could advise).

    Only the Gardaí can enforce bus lanes. Council wardens have zero statutory power when it comes to enforcing road traffic laws with the explicit exception of giving out parking tickets and fines for expired motor tax.


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