***** Motors chat - round 12 *****

Wailin

vintagevrs wrote: »

Hmmm...

Maybe I'm just defending my own position because it's too early (expensive) for me to move to a g series, but does new car tech really make things much better, and are the interiors better or just newer and flashier.

It's a bit more than upgraded tech in fairness. The new G20 chassis is 25% stiffer and has class leading handling because of it, lighter than previous model but bigger all round. Interior may be "flashier" but streets ahead of previous model. All in all, it's an improvement on the F30 in every department and is actually the one car that can persuade me from the 5 series. Every review I've seen has lauded the cars handling and it trumps any rival in that department hands down.

James Bond Junior

bazz26 wrote: »

You looking for yourself or somebody else?

For myself but not here. I wanted to check one out if possible before I go and had a free hour. I didnt drive it, just had a look and was chatting to the salesman who I now realise was actually dealer principal.

James Bond Junior

Augeo wrote: »

What engine was in the 161 you viewed? 220 presumably?
Whatever he tried to tell you about other available engines is immaterial really.
Fair enough....you know more then him about the engine range....

It was more of an informal chat really, I was only browsing for myself and he came out to me. Got talking about the car and it came up about engine sizes.

carsfan2

James Bond Junior wrote: »

For myself but not here. I wanted to check one out if possible before I go and had a free hour. I didnt drive it, just had a look and was chatting to the salesman who I now realise was actually dealer principal.

Was this in the limerick dealership?

James Bond Junior

carsfan2 wrote: »

Was this in the limerick dealership?

Correct.

colm_mcm

Had a bad experience with them a few years ago too (if it’s the place I think it is)
Don’t know how anyone buys off them.

Old diesel

ba_barabus wrote: »

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

There's a lot of salespeople out there who know nothing about cars or the models in general but when you find one who knows there stuff, as a car person, it's great.

You would have to ask - why be a salesperson if you aren't willing to build up your knowledge of what you are selling.....

Madness really.

Mind you - for the majority of customers it's probably not a big deal - they want a 1.6 diesel crossover and the sales staff probably know "enough" about them to sell to Mary who isn't really into cars and just wants a red Tucson.

The lack of knowledge only shows up when you have to sell to a car guy or rather his friend.

And nine times out of 10 - the friend will just ignore what the car guy says about the salesman been clueless and buy the car anyway*.

*assuming the car and deal itself is fine and the only issue is the salesman's "lack of knowledge.

carsfan2

I’d say it’s long long time since that garage owner knew (if he ever did)the intricacies of the Mercedes model range.

Bmw now have separate staff called product geniuses that are supposed to be clued up on all aspects of the cars. The sales men are then left to do the selling and the numbers. Apparently the range and models are so varied the sales staff cannot do both.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Had a bad experience with them a few years ago too (if it’s the place I think it is)
Don’t know how anyone buys off them.

We bought from one of their other franchises but I don't think we'll be back due to some stupid mess ups.

CIP4

CIP4 wrote: »

............
In the working world in general whatever job you do you are payed to have a good understanding of the area your working in and all things related Which allows you to do your job to a good standard.

The chap in question is paid to hit his targets, as he's the dealer principle / owner he must be doing something right

James Bond Junior

What annoys me is the disinterest shown when you do go in there, I hate being made feel like I'm a timewaster. Take the local BMW dealer in Limerick, we priced a 1 series there and got no follow up and a total apathetic attitude so we bought in Kerry instead.The 1er went in for a tiny issue which required a call for BMW recovery and seeing as Limerick were the nearest dealer, that's where it had to go. Herself fielded 2 years of phone calls asking when she was going to trade it back in as she had bought it in Limerick according to themselvs which was total bull. They even asked was she sure she bought it in Kerry. The dealer in Kerry, who are known to us personally to be fair I must add, made the whole thing feel special. Net result, 5 cars purchased across the extended family in a 2 year period. I had the same experience in BMW Cork where I was told I couldn't drive a car they had in stock even though I drove a 4 year old at the time 3 series in the gate to trade. When I got the follow up call I gave it to them through the two eyes.

carsfan2

I think both the BMW and Mercedes dealers in limerick are doing ok because locals seem happy to buy from them as they are local. I’ve spoken to plenty of people that don’t bother to Travel when buying and take the deal offered in the local garage. Car buying to most people is not a pleasurable experience and lots of the time people take the deal on offer locally as they won’t travel to save a few bob.

Old diesel

Two weeks ago Corolla fails NCT.....

Not much on done deal.

Yesterday it PASSED.

Come on boards and first thing I see is an apparently immaculate Maxima in bangernomics thread.

How does that happen.....

And is it just me thats noticed how when you don't need a car the place (as in done deal, Carzone, car market in general) is full of nice potential cars.

But when you think you need one there is nothing there.

Especially when you want a cheapish thing.

Currently consoling myself with the following......

1) Maximas are crap really right?????*

2) I probably didnt have time to go to Dublin today anyway.

*studies some 2002 road test by someone judging it as a relatively expensive car that will lose money faster then David Drumm at 2008 Anglo Irish Bank

Old diesel

OSI wrote: »

Jesus, that 2002 road test had some serious Nostradamus **** going on :eek:

I was just thinking of what a typical Maxima road test would have said when the cars were new - ie not a great car for the list price and vs 5 series and added some David Drumm effect to reflect the depreciation from new.

Wasn't literally looking at a 2002 Maxima road test. I remember them and tbh at this age you just look at a Maxima as a nice car or not based on what you expect a car for under 2 k to be.

colm_mcm

An e39 520i was 30% more than a Maxima to buy though, and a Maxima wasn’t exactly cheap.

Duke O Smiley

Sure the Maxima might have been broadly in the same segment as a 5 series, but I doubt there was much competition between them realistically. Up against the Maxima was the Camry and Xedeos etc

Ronnie Drew has a succession of Maximas in the 90s and 00s! (Useless trivia)

punisher5112

colm_mcm wrote: »

An e39 520i was 30% more than a Maxima to buy though, and a Maxima wasn’t exactly cheap.

Jaysus use to love driving them around when I was 17..... The purr...

Duke O Smiley

Question for you gents,

I bought a rake of stuff off micks garage, got a confirmation email etc but will I get a proper invoice with the parts?

I know a micksgarage receipt of all things doesn’t account for much in a history file but I’d like to have it there anyway

Midnight_EG

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Question for you gents,

I bought a rake of stuff off micks garage, got a confirmation email etc but will I get a proper invoice with the parts?

I know a micksgarage receipt of all things doesn’t account for much in a history file but I’d like to have it there anyway

PM me your order number, I'm working here atm

CIP4

Sitting in the airport waiting on my flight back in Germany at Nürburg since Friday what a trip. The track is absolutely class and unbelievable to drive around. Only booked to drive around it for two laps in a Clio 197 but ended up doing a lot more between the Clio 197 and a new model Polo GTI the polo was nicer inside, quicker and more modern but the Clio was serious to handle on the track completely showed up the Polo.

All I know is I’ll be out at this track at least once a year going forward. Now to go home and buy something proper fast to bring out here the next time lucky I didn’t buy the Arteon a few weeks ago.

Anyone thinking about going out just do it but just don’t try do it on the cheap as getting the cars to drive around in and taxi laps make the trip and are worth every penny.

tossy

CIP4 wrote: »

Sitting in the airport waiting on my flight back in Germany at Nürburg since Friday what a trip. The track is absolutely class and unbelievable to drive around. Only booked to drive around it for two laps in a Clio 197 but ended up doing a lot more between the Clio 197 and a new model Polo GTI the polo was nicer inside, quicker and more modern but the Clio was serious to handle on the track completely showed up the Polo.

All I know is I’ll be out at this track at least once a year going forward. Now to go home and buy something proper fast to bring out here the next time lucky I didn’t buy the Arteon a few weeks ago.

Anyone thinking about going out just do it but just don’t try do it on the cheap as getting the cars to drive around in and taxi laps make the trip and are worth every penny.

It's some spot been there a few times the best bang for buck is driving your own car around it, you might not push it as hard as a ring rental but there's something cool about driving to work a few days later in a car you took around the green hell (and managed to get it home in one piece)

Duke O Smiley

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Question for you gents,

I bought a rake of stuff off micks garage, got a confirmation email etc but will I get a proper invoice with the parts?

I know a micksgarage receipt of all things doesn’t account for much in a history file but I’d like to have it there anyway

I used email them asking for a VAT receipt when bought stuff off them.
By default they don't send/issue a receipt iirc.

CIP4

tossy wrote: »

It's some spot been there a few times the best bang for buck is driving your own car around it, you might not push it as hard as a ring rental but there's something cool about driving to work a few days later in a car you took around the green hell (and managed to get it home in one piece)

Yes that would be the plan would love to get something sportier and drive it out and even just to bring your car out and get the photos on the track would be class. Ah I have been on the fence for months over what kind of a car to get but this trip has cleared it up for me I will be long enough driving normal cars.

tossy

CIP4 wrote: »

Yes that would be the plan would love to get something sportier and drive it out and even just to bring your car out and get the photos on the track would be class. Ah I have been on the fence for months over what kind of a car to get but this trip has cleared it up for me I will be long enough driving normal cars.

Fair play.

Sexual Chocolate

CIP4 wrote: »

Yes that would be the plan would love to get something sportier and drive it out and even just to bring your car out and get the photos on the track would be class. Ah I have been on the fence for months over what kind of a car to get but this trip has cleared it up for me I will be long enough driving normal cars.

You think smaller sportier cars have grown on you now ?

selous

I was talking to a ol guy the day after getting a new to him car, asked where his other car was, he traded it in,

A mk 1 TT, had it for almost 19 years bought it new, one owner, (how rare is that,) needed a bit of work doing, so traded it in,

tossy

selous wrote: »

I was talking to a ol guy the day after getting a new to him car, asked where his other car was, he traded it in,

A mk 1 TT, had it for almost 19 years bought it new, one owner, (how rare is that,) needed a bit of work doing, so traded it in,

What did he replace it with ?

tcawley29

OSI wrote: »

CIP4 to shock us all and buy a 911 GT3 RS?

I'd say a 5.0 v8 mustang. I miss the two I rented last year

Dodge Charger R/T 5.7 wasn't bad either but I preferred the mustang

JJJJNR

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-launches-climate-action-plan-4685933-Jun2019/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Both petrol and diesel cars off the menu in 11 years..

11 years ? Weird...

bazz26

Already a seperate thread started on it:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057989287

padyjoe

Lads! Going to the RDS tomorrow, want to arrive by 7pm. Planning to turn off the M9 at Kilcullen, taking the backroads to M50. Then turning off at Dundrum or Sandyford.

Any handy tips for timing, routing or parking if I want out quick later taking the same roads? I don't mind walking 1-2 kms to the arena, must be busy enough.

Thank you!

Big Nasty

padyjoe wrote: »

Lads! Going to the RDS tomorrow, want to arrive by 7pm. Planning to turn off the M9 at Kilcullen, taking the backroads to M50. Then turning off at Dundrum or Sandyford.

Any handy tips for timing, routing or parking if I want out quick later taking the same roads? I don't mind walking 1-2 kms to the arena, must be busy enough.

Thank you!

Just use google maps. It will tell you the quickest route at the time.

CIP4

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

You think smaller sportier cars have grown on you now ?

I loved the Clio to bits and a good few with me who aren't Renault fans loved it the handling was genuinely so impressive. But it reinforced the fact I would never buy one as a daily as tipping around town and stuff like that they are not particularly nice to drive. It was less powerful than I expected also a Golf GTI or even the Polo GTI is a lot quicker. You had to kind of drive it within an inch of its life to get real get up an go out of it.


So yes it won't be a Clio 197.

wotzgoingon

CIP4 wrote: »

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

You think smaller sportier cars have grown on you now ?

You had to kind of drive it within an inch of its life to get real get up an go out of it.


So yes it won't be a Clio 197.

That's how you drive N/A cars with some sort of variable valve timing. vtec, mivec, vvt, vvl etc...

Noccy_Mondy

Was doing some car shopping last week. Just looking at models to get a feel for them, as we'll be importing one. Went to a particular dealer. Dad wanted a rough estimate on the Mondeo. I know it's not worth a whole pile, it's a 2008 car. Bodywork is good, 161k miles 2 owners from new, fsh, clutch flywheel all done. Test is out, but going through next week. Yer man turns around and says to be honest it's worth nothing. He'd take 500 off the price of a car. "What I'd do with it is just send it to a breakers. Not worth putting through a test". Whether it's not worth putting though a test or not I thought it to be a bad move on his part!

colm_mcm

Sell it privately. You might as well be asking him to buy your washing machine off you.

Noccy_Mondy

colm_mcm wrote:

Sell it privately. You might as well be asking him to buy your washing machine off you.

Oh ya without doubt! But thought his approach to it a bit ott!

CorkMan_

We'd the same issue back in Nov 16, was looking at getting a newer car for the wife as her Focus was 12 years old then with 320K kms on it. We were getting 500 knocked off the price of the replacement car and the Focus was going to be scrapped.

The car was perfect and it would have been a waste to scrap it so we held onto it. Currently has 397k kms now.

tossy

Man goes to garage to get feel for car he never intends to buy from garage and complains about salesmans attitude.

Noccy_Mondy

tossy wrote:

Man goes to garage to get feel for car he never intends to buy from garage and complains about salesmans attitude.

Sure ya have to get a feel for a car somewhere!

colm_mcm

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Oh ya without doubt! But thought his approach to it a bit ott!

Seems to be a very open approach. Would be worse if he was saying it was worth 3000 and only giving you 500 in reality plus 2500 discount that you could get without the trade in.

Noccy_Mondy

colm_mcm wrote:

Seems to be a very open approach. Would be worse if he was saying it was worth 3000 and only giving you 500 in reality plus 2500 discount that you could get without the trade in.

The man wasn't stirring either way, 19500 straight or 19000 with a trade in. I'm well aware of the padding up ones own car to make it look like a great price but not in this case.

tossy

With hard bargaining he'd probably sell the car for 19 anyway, so he's giving you 500 off for a car he's telling you that he is going to scrap and in reality he's probably selling it to a fred in a shed type of place for 700/800 euro so he's making money from you - which is his job

cadaliac

tossy wrote: »

With hard bargaining he'd probably sell the car for 19 anyway, so he's giving you 500 off for a car he's telling you that he is going to scrap and in reality he's probably selling it to a fred in a shed type of place for 700/800 euro so he's making money from you - which is his job

Or, could be doing as he says and scrapping the car. This happened to me/my wife last year with a pug 206.
Salesman said car is pretty much worthless and is going to be parked up with the other 40 cars he has out the back. Periodically a mobile scrapper comes along and crushes the worst cars he has. The others, if presentable will be used for courtesy cars etc.
He was honest with me and said "don't be surprised if you see that car on the road again, as we do use the better ones as courtesy cars occasionally".
|I thought that was fair enough tbh.

Old diesel

tossy wrote: »

Man goes to garage to get feel for car he never intends to buy from garage and complains about salesmans attitude.

Alternative take.......

Noccys dad IS looking to buy a car - a better salesman attitude could potentially cause a change of mind from importing to buying from that dealer.

A salesman may well dislike timewasters but should probadly find a better way of handling suspected timewasters.

Todays time waster could be next weeks customer who is ready to buy.

Because Noccys dad IS buying a car - he isn't really a timewaster.

He is instead someone whose business the salesman couldnt be bothered to win.

CIP4

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

The man wasn't stirring either way, 19500 straight or 19000 with a trade in. I'm well aware of the padding up ones own car to make it look like a great price but not in this case.

TBH I kind of would prefer the way he was to deal with straight up about the whole thing. Ultimately if you take the emotion out of it as for you it's a car that's been reliable, one you cleaned and minded for years. But to a dealer and in reality it's an 11 year old car with 260k km on it. So even if they managed to retail it and get a couple of thousand for it there is a good enough chance that the new buyer could drive out the gate in it and after a few weeks the gearbox falls out of it or the turbo blows or worse.

Then they have lost money fixing it under the warranty they would of had to give you with it. Best case scenario it holds together and they make a couple of hundred euro on it. Its just not worth it for them the risk vs. reward doesn't add up.

I definitely would never take it personal as otherwise you will be insulted in a lot of garages you go too even when trading cars up the value.

Dartz

Gave it a roast up the back of Ballycoolin on the way home from work and saw someone in the mirror taking an obvious grasp for their dashcam when I booted past them leaving the roundabout.

Be interested in seeing how long the flames were....

vintagevrs

I have over the last week started using the Eco-Pro mode in my car.... Plenty of cars have this type of thing now where you can change the mode of the car to suit your mood or whatever. I was recently in a VW where the owner drove it in sport because they preferred the "sportier suspension" on a car that didn't have DCC :pac: , and yes I did tell them although I probably should have said nothing.

Anyway, on my car Eco-Pro does some silly stuff like makes the steering feel less weighted, reduces the air con, does nothing to my standard suspension and dumbs down the throttle response but it does change the gear box mapping. Driving with the gear box like this for a while now and I find the gearbox works far better as it changes up really quick. Before under moderate throttle it would hang onto a gear for no real reason. Now you can give it a decent wedge of throttle and it will still shift up before 2k rpm. Makes the car a much nicer place to be imo.

Yes, I am getting old I think

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Lads. Can I get an opinion on this please ?

http://www.woburnautos.co.uk/used-cars/volvo-v70-2-4-d-se-geartronic-5dr-milton-keynes-201903065606578

Is that too much milage for this car ? I'm feeling it's a tad high but from the description seems solid.

Also the VRT quote I'm getting is only a couple of hundred euros, maybe someone can throw it through again see if I'm right / wrong. (€810-€860)

I think the annual tax on this on the Irish system will be €750 a year if I'm looking at that right.

I did see the scuff on the front left bumper but that's incredibly minor to me
Cheers lads !

colm_mcm

I’m getting VRT of €1085
Stat code 46989097
September 09 reg date.