***** Motors chat - round 12 *****

CIP4

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Did anything come out of the offer on the other yoke a few days ago?

No well they wouldn’t budge at all it was a Leon Cupra. Tbh I am thinking the Golf GTI is a far better all round car better spec better interior. It has good performance when you want it but can just be driven normally when wanted.

The Cupra is the next step it just wants to be driven on all the time and while the bangs and pops from the exhaust are cool when your in the mood to drive it hard not sure they would be great everyday.

Unfortunately nothing is simple you can’t just buy a golf GTI brand new and get it next week which I was possibly naively thinking that there would be 10 of them sitting in Dublin ready to go which isn’t the case. Not sure why I always assumed the likes of VW Ireland kept a decent stock of cars in Ireland for those that didn’t want to go the factory order route.

GustavoFring

CIP4 wrote: »

Salesman ‘what car are you looking to trade in ?’
Me ‘Audi A4 1.4tfsi S-line’
Salesman ‘tfsi like as in petrol’
Me ‘yes petrol engine’
Salesman ‘you serious I didn’t realise you could even get the A4 with a petrol engine’

I can’t wait to see what trade in price he offers me on that :pac:

Actually forgot how time consuming searching for a new car. As much as I like cars I don’t enjoy the buying them bit.

Takes time CIP4. And showing up in person - no point otherwise. In your situation pick the cars you are interested and play the dealers off against each other. Saw the comments in the GTI thread - don't look new. Find the best demo and work from there.

On the GTI/Cupra thing - I'd have the Cupra. Had a non-PP GTI across Austria and Italy. It's great, needs the PP dif but the farts and pops off the Cupra add to the fun, the interior is as well screwed together bar some materials but the main thing is the Cupra was the car that egged you on more. And it had the brakes and dif. I prefer dsg but it's personal preference, ACC and all that I don't feel comfortable with but again that's just personal.

CIP4

GustavoFring wrote: »

Takes time CIP4. And showing up in person - no point otherwise. In your situation pick the cars you are interested and play the dealers off against each other. Saw the comments in the GTI thread - don't look new. Find the best demo and work from there.

I know what your saying but some of the Demos are making within 1-2k of the price of a brand new ones even factoring in the extras I’d rather order it and wait to get something no one else has driven with my own county plate and all that. I have always been a strong advocate of buying demos but not at them levels of discount they are brutal.

I wouldn’t mind waiting the 12 weeks but it’s how real the 12 weeks is is an issue. Like getting it end of September would be grand but like the end of October is so close to January it feels like a waste. I am probably thinking of it wrong. Hopefully get more info off some of the dealers tomorrow.

The other option would be drop back to something maybe around 181 to feel like your getting some discount but even then the prices are not a million miles of new.

Duke O Smiley

CIP4 wrote: »

No well they wouldn’t budge at all it was a Leon Cupra. Tbh I am thinking the Golf GTI is a far better all round car better spec better interior. It has good performance when you want it but can just be driven normally when wanted.

The Cupra is the next step it just wants to be driven on all the time and while the bangs and pops from the exhaust are cool when your in the mood to drive it hard not sure they would be great everyday.

Unfortunately nothing is simple you can’t just buy a golf GTI brand new and get it next week which I was possibly naively thinking that there would be 10 of them sitting in Dublin ready to go which isn’t the case. Not sure why I always assumed the likes of VW Ireland kept a decent stock of cars in Ireland for those that didn’t want to go the factory order route.

The Mk7 GTI is a gorgeous car. I haven't driven either so obviously my opinion counts for nothing but I think they are so much more special than the Golf R even if the R is quicker. There seems to be a load of Rs on Donedeal and the likes and very few GTIs.

Sexual Chocolate

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

The Mk7 GTI is a gorgeous car. I haven't driven either so obviously my opinion counts for nothing but I think they are so much more special than the Golf R even if the R is quicker. There seems to be a load of Rs on Donedeal and the likes and very few GTIs.

Pretty much how I felt after I drove an R a couple of months. Crazy mad experience driving it but I immediately felt that the GTi was still better looking when I got back out of it.

I'm considering one myself after Xmas if this new job I'm meant to be starting works out but still torn between other cars of similar nature so reading CIPs posts in the other thread the last few days has me excited , though I'll be looking towards the early MK7s. Leather is my main desire as I just can't take to the tartan cloth seats.

Sexual Chocolate

CIP4 wrote: »

No well they wouldn’t budge at all it was a Leon Cupra. Tbh I am thinking the Golf GTI is a far better all round car better spec better interior. It has good performance when you want it but can just be driven normally when wanted.

Quite surprised you were looking at the Leon after already having one previously. From having a few A4s I thought you would of been leaning more towards the VRS. :pac:

I'd like to think though that you'll be offered something decent for your current A4, just cos it's petrol shouldn't mean your offered something ridiculous. There is still a market for petrols today.

Big Nasty

CIP4 wrote: »

I know what your saying but some of the Demos are making within 1-2k of the price of a brand new ones even factoring in the extras I’d rather order it and wait to get something no one else has driven with my own county plate and all that. I have always been a strong advocate of buying demos but not at them levels of discount they are brutal.

I wouldn’t mind waiting the 12 weeks but it’s how real the 12 weeks is is an issue. Like getting it end of September would be grand but like the end of October is so close to January it feels like a waste. I am probably thinking of it wrong. Hopefully get more info off some of the dealers tomorrow.

The other option would be drop back to something maybe around 181 to feel like your getting some discount but even then the prices are not a million miles of new.

The OCD in me would be holding out for 202 plate!

Midnight_EG

Have you thought about looking at an i30N?

punisher5112

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Have you thought about looking at an i30N?

Sound off them is out of this world...

Midnight_EG

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sound off them is out of this world...

Go take a drive in one, they're hoonigan fun

CIP4

CIP4 wrote: »

No well they wouldn’t budge at all it was a Leon Cupra. Tbh I am thinking the Golf GTI is a far better all round car better spec better interior. It has good performance when you want it but can just be driven normally when wanted. ...............

Have you driven one?
A short while ago who were reckoning you wanted 300bhp as a GTi would be too tame for you. I'd agree with you in a way after spending a weekend in a GTi recently where I was able to really let it stretch it's legs.
But then you get iirc 40k kms out of front tyres on the A4 so it seems you're not at all heavy footed?
Will you really track your own new GTi on the ring too?

oodles19

Has anyone gotten their car reupholstered in leather here as an aftermarket upgrade? I'm looking to import a Tiguan and there's an amount of cloth/fleece spec cars with everything else I'm looking for, I'm not sure the budget could extend to an R-Line (It nearly definitely won't, much and all as I'd love one) so I'm looking at other possibilities to get leather, as I have it now and i don't think I could hack going back to cloth seats!

MetzgerMeister

You'd spend a lot more retrofitting leather onto cloth seats compared to ponying up for a model with them already.

oodles19

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

You'd spend a lot more retrofitting leather onto cloth seats compared to ponying up for a model with them already.

The price differential is looking to be in the region of €6-7k from what I can see browsing on Autotrader, £3k or so Sterling differential and then an additional €3k or so VRT, I suppose I figured getting a car done out in leather could be achievable for a good bit less than that, though I've no idea what it would come down to in costs..

vintagevrs

Rather than a retrim I would go for an interior from a breakers. I did this years ago and got a full leather interior, door cards trim pieces as well as electric heated seats for about 500 quid. It's oem too. I don't think I'd buy a car with a retrim.

parttimeadult

oodles19 wrote: »

The price differential is looking to be in the region of €6-7k from what I can see browsing on Autotrader, £3k or so Sterling differential and then an additional €3k or so VRT, I suppose I figured getting a car done out in leather could be achievable for a good bit less than that, though I've no idea what it would come down to in costs..

Look into getting an interior out of a broken one in the UK maybe?

oodles19

vintagevrs wrote: »

Rather than a retrim I would go for an interior from a breakers. I did this years ago and got a full leather interior, door cards trim pieces as well as electric heated seats for about 500 quid. It's oem too. I don't think I'd buy a car with a retrim.

That's an idea actually!

R.O.R

oodles19 wrote: »

Has anyone gotten their car reupholstered in leather here as an aftermarket upgrade? I'm looking to import a Tiguan and there's an amount of cloth/fleece spec cars with everything else I'm looking for, I'm not sure the budget could extend to an R-Line (It nearly definitely won't, much and all as I'd love one) so I'm looking at other possibilities to get leather, as I have it now and i don't think I could hack going back to cloth seats!

Had it done to numerous cars over the years, and at least 1 Tiguan Allspace in the past year or so.

Generally to factory standard, and quite often better. If you didn't know it wasn't factory fit, you wouldn't know it's not factory fit, and there's a much nicer leather smell in the car than you'd get with factory fit.

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

You'd spend a lot more retrofitting leather onto cloth seats compared to ponying up for a model with them already.

It's around the same cost as the factory option on a new car. If looking at used though, the price between one with leather and one without isn't going to be as big as on a new car.

Not sure what retail pricing is, but around €2,000 would be a good guess.

http://nolanautocare.ie/contact-us would be my first choice, if they are taking on non-trade work at the moment. Used them previously for quite a few jobs - used to do S-Max/Galaxy for us fairly frequently as it was a €3,500 factory option, but €2,000 ish from Nolan's.

http://www.autoglaze.ie/contact.htm do a lot of work for Main dealers / importers and I've been in a good few vehicles they'd retrofitted leather to, and it's top quality work.

MetzgerMeister

€2k for a full leather retrofit is very, very good!

There's also a crowd in Kilkenny - A&T Style in Hebron Industrial Estate.

oodles19

R.O.R wrote: »

Had it done to numerous cars over the years, and at least 1 Tiguan Allspace in the past year or so.

Generally to factory standard, and quite often better. If you didn't know it wasn't factory fit, you wouldn't know it's not factory fit, and there's a much nicer leather smell in the car than you'd get with factory fit.



It's around the same cost as the factory option on a new car. If looking at used though, the price between one with leather and one without isn't going to be as big as on a new car.

Not sure what retail pricing is, but around €2,000 would be a good guess.

http://nolanautocare.ie/contact-us would be my first choice, if they are taking on non-trade work at the moment. Used them previously for quite a few jobs - used to do S-Max/Galaxy for us fairly frequently as it was a €3,500 factory option, but €2,000 ish from Nolan's.

http://www.autoglaze.ie/contact.htm do a lot of work for Main dealers / importers and I've been in a good few vehicles they'd retrofitted leather to, and it's top quality work.

That's some great info there!! I'll be sure to get in touch and see what I would be looking at on price. Thanks very much for the steer, I really appreciate it!

Duke O Smiley

Alanstrainor, think I just saw your e46 fueling up in Portmarnock. Looked well!

Old diesel

Stupid question here about the leather retrofit - but how do they manage the following......

1) airbags in the seat.....

2) manufacturer warranty....

3) the insurance - ie is it a modification.

One massive advantage of a retrofit would be if you can choose a colour - so black cloth might be replaced by cream leather - do they allow that or is it generic colours

MetzgerMeister

Old diesel wrote: »

Stupid question here about the leather retrofit - but how do they manage the following......

1) airbags in the seat.....

2) manufacturer warranty....

3) the insurance - ie is it a modification.

One massive advantage of a retrofit would be if you can choose a colour - so black cloth might be replaced by cream leather - do they allow that or is it generic colours

1. They disconnect the wiring, remove the seat and incorporate the airbags into the leather as the manufacturer would.

2. There wouldn't be any manufacturer warranty on the new leather but whoever does the job would provide their own warranty.

3. It's not a performance modification and has no bearing on it whatsoever.

colm_mcm

Old diesel wrote: »

One massive advantage of a retrofit would be if you can choose a colour - so black cloth might be replaced by cream leather - do they allow that or is it generic colours

Generally, you can have whatever colour you want within reason, keep in mind cream leather often comes with cream dash, carpets etc.

ShadowHearth

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Go take a drive in one, they're hoonigan fun

Between Leon Cupra and i30N myself for next year, drove Cupra before, but not i30N. I watched a lot of videos on i30N and almost all of them praise it. The sound alone makes me want it more.
If it's the last petrol car, before we all green, might as well bonkers all the way?

ILikeBoats

CIP4 wrote: »

Unfortunately nothing is simple you can’t just buy a golf GTI brand new and get it next week which I was possibly naively thinking that there would be 10 of them sitting in Dublin ready to go which isn’t the case. Not sure why I always assumed the likes of VW Ireland kept a decent stock of cars in Ireland for those that didn’t want to go the factory order route.

If you express an interest with the VW dealers, they'd ring you with the incoming cars before they go up online. I went to test drive one 2 weeks ago and it was sold before I got to, dealer took my details, he's rang twice saying such and such car with this spec is coming in, you can put a deposit down now and we can refund if you're not happy on viewing. I thought that was decent enough.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Between Leon Cupra and i30N myself for next year, drove Cupra before, but not i30N. I watched a lot of videos on i30N and almost all of them praise it. The sound alone makes me want it more.
If it's the last petrol car, before we all green, might as well bonkers all the way?

Similar to my thinking - might as well go out with a bang....

...even though we all know the government proposal is years away and not very well thought out, good excuse to get a guzzler all the same

Midnight_EG

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Between Leon Cupra and i30N myself for next year, drove Cupra before, but not i30N. I watched a lot of videos on i30N and almost all of them praise it. The sound alone makes me want it more.
If it's the last petrol car, before we all green, might as well bonkers all the way?

The N is pure bonkers fun, and makes you feel like a kid everytime you drive it! The giggles from the pops and bangs is all worth the shocking fuel economy :pac:

Tazzimus

Midnight_EG wrote: »

The N is pure bonkers fun, and makes you feel like a kid everytime you drive it! The giggles from the pops and bangs is all worth the shocking fuel economy :pac:

I'm surprised at the 0-60 time for the power it puts out. I would have thought a sub 5 seconds would be achievable.
Does sound cool though.

vintagevrs

Tazzimus wrote: »

I'm surprised at the 0-60 time for the power it puts out. I would have thought a sub 5 seconds would be achievable.
Does sound cool though.

Front wheel drive and manual are the issue there. The 4wd dsg stuff makes a huge difference. Arguably makes them less fun.

I'm not sure if any fwd hatches can do 60 in less than 5 secs.

vintagevrs

Car getting serviced today so sitting in a BM showroom in Derry. The metal up here is so different from the showroom in Sligo. New X5 m50d would be a nice school runner. So many little touches in it. The cup holders can be chilled or heated and they glow red or blue accordingly.

Sat in a new M4 comp pack and it's very old hat inside compared to the new generation interiors, it's just the same as my 2014 3 series interior pretty much.

New white kitted out 3 series here too, nice enough looking machine inside and out. The new z4 looks well too, they have a blue m40i out in the sun with the roof down. Would be a great car to rent on holiday somewhere but not sure I could ever drive around in one at home.

shanec1928

vintagevrs wrote: »

Car getting serviced today so sitting in a BM showroom in Derry. The metal up here is so different from the showroom in Sligo. New X5 m50d would be a nice school runner. So many little touches in it. The cup holders can be chilled or heated and they glow red or blue accordingly.

Sat in a new M4 comp pack and it's very old hat inside compared to the new generation interiors, it's just the same as my 2014 3 series interior pretty much.

New white kitted out 3 series here too, nice enough looking machine inside and out. The new z4 looks well too, they have a blue m40i out in the sun with the roof down. Would be a great car to rent on holiday somewhere but not sure I could ever drive around in one at home.

that wouldn't be hard since theirs only authorized service agent now

Tazzimus

vintagevrs wrote: »

Front wheel drive and manual are the issue there. The 4wd dsg stuff makes a huge difference. Arguably makes them less fun.

I'm not sure if any fwd hatches can do 60 in less than 5 secs.

Just realised what I typed, I meant sub 6 seconds

tossy

Whatever about buying secondhand a good depreciated rate i couldn't live with the 130 interior if bought new or for near new pricing, i drove one when i had my S3 and the quality of the materials used on the 10 year old S3 was far superior to that of the Demo i30, also the pops and bangs are too thinny and fabricated sounding i'd grow tired to of them very quickly.

Seriously fast and capable car though, rolling it was every bit as fast as my stage1 S3.

carsfan2

vintagevrs wrote: »

Car getting serviced today so sitting in a BM showroom in Derry. The metal up here is so different from the showroom in Sligo. New X5 m50d would be a nice school runner. So many little touches in it. The cup holders can be chilled or heated and they glow red or blue accordingly.

Sat in a new M4 comp pack and it's very old hat inside compared to the new generation interiors, it's just the same as my 2014 3 series interior pretty much.

New white kitted out 3 series here too, nice enough looking machine inside and out. The new z4 looks well too, they have a blue m40i out in the sun with the roof down. Would be a great car to rent on holiday somewhere but not sure I could ever drive around in one at home.

Is there much of a saving going north for the service or is it just more convenient?

vintagevrs

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is there much of a saving going north for the service or is it just more convenient?

Better coffee


Didn't price check, would say they are similar. I've had the car serviced in Sligo too but jKC much nicer environment. Just as handy for me too.

vintagevrs

Tazzimus wrote: »

Just realised what I typed, I meant sub 6 seconds

Carwow put up a video today. Both Renault and VW have similar engine specs I think. Nothing surprising in the result but shows the difference off the line the 4wd makes.

In the rolling race he seems confused that the vw left the Mégane but I think he forgot about the dsg changes making a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4NnyKpHv4Q

CIP4

The car search is turning into a nightmare. Went to go look at a Cupra today by the time I got there it had been sold. My preference would be a Golf GTI PP but you can’t order new ones now well you can but they aren’t guaranteeing you’ll get one.

Then you have used ones. Which there are very few off and I am getting crippled on trade in price on them and most dealers seem to have this take it or leave attitude possibly down to:
1. The ‘boom’ is back so people now have allusions they have loads of money and should buy hot hatched instead of the diesels they were buying.
2. The new emissions limits are pushing people into buying up what’s around.
3. Being so close to 192 dealers are busy and it’s just a bad time to look.
4. My A4 is a very undesirable trade in car.

I could just be keeping the A4 at this point as I can’t stomach some of the trade in values being thrown around.

Bigus

CIP4 wrote: »

The car search is turning into a nightmare. Went to go look at a Cupra today by the time I got there it had been sold. My preference would be a Golf GTI PP but you can’t order new ones now well you can but they aren’t guaranteeing you’ll get one.

Then you have used ones. Which there are very few off and I am getting crippled on trade in price on them and most dealers seem to have this take it or leave attitude possibly down to:
1. The ‘boom’ is back so people now have allusions they have loads of money and should buy hot hatched instead of the diesels they were buying.
2. The new emissions limits are pushing people into buying up what’s around.
3. Being so close to 192 dealers are busy and it’s just a bad time to look.
4. My A4 is a very undesirable trade in car.

I could just be keeping the A4 at this point as I can’t stomach some of the trade in values being thrown around.

Waiting for a 2020 plate would be a no brainer at this stage of the decade.

carsfan2

CIP4 wrote: »

The car search is turning into a nightmare. Went to go look at a Cupra today by the time I got there it had been sold. My preference would be a Golf GTI PP but you can’t order new ones now well you can but they aren’t guaranteeing you’ll get one.

Then you have used ones. Which there are very few off and I am getting crippled on trade in price on them and most dealers seem to have this take it or leave attitude possibly down to:
1. The ‘boom’ is back so people now have allusions they have loads of money and should buy hot hatched instead of the diesels they were buying.
2. The new emissions limits are pushing people into buying up what’s around.
3. Being so close to 192 dealers are busy and it’s just a bad time to look.
4. My A4 is a very undesirable trade in car.

I could just be keeping the A4 at this point as I can’t stomach some of the trade in values being thrown around.

Your A4 is a far from undesireable car. Boom is definitely not back as far as irish car sales are concerned.

GustavoFring

Keep the A4, buy something fun for the weekend is one option.

Or try and sell the A4 privately and make do for a week or so if you're caught out between that and the new one. You'll have much better leverage on the price then.

EDIT - stolen from another thread:

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/1-series/201902084739691

That's been there a little bit so there might be scope for bargaining.

CIP4

carsfan2 wrote: »

Your A4 is a far from undesireable car. Boom is definitely not back as far as irish car sales are concerned.

Yes being honest the way things are at the minute just thinking of leaving it for a while not like I’m going to lose much more on the A4.

GustavoFring wrote: »

Keep the A4, buy something fun for the weekend is one option.

Or try and sell the A4 privately and make do for a week or so if you're caught out between that and the new one. You'll have much better leverage on the price then..

I was thinking that way depreciation would be well flattened out on the A4 at this point. While it’s not that terribly powerful and isn’t an Auto outside of that I can’t really fault it. Tbh anyone that gets into the car is always genuinely impressed by it. Part of what was driving me to change is the fear that it would start to become unreliable but really the fact I have minded it and it’s always been serviced on time should stand to it.

GustavoFring

Ah CIP, it's a 3 year old car. You don't need to bring in reliability issues to justify changing the car because realistically there won't be any. Not as if it's a 250k miler serviced by the lad up the road for 50 quid.

Duke O Smiley

CIP, would you get an m140/135i in budget?

punisher5112

Buy a Honda s2000 CIP

wotzgoingon

punisher5112 wrote: »

Buy a Honda s2000 CIP

I reckon that would be too old for him.

punisher5112

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I reckon that would be too old for him.

I would give my right arm for one.... They are some machine... Toy car for weekend and summer....

wotzgoingon

I also wish I had one. They were cheap a few years ago. Rising in price at the minute.

wotzgoingon

Off topic completely but I seen a video of that Chris lad from Cork. Seems he owns a EP3 now as the last time I seen a video of him he was in a ek9. I wonder which he prefers.

carsfan2

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

CIP, would you get an m140/135i in budget?

I posted this car earlier today in the golf GTI thread. Would be well worth a drive.
3.0 six cylinder and would have rarity value that should help depreciation.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/1-series/used-2018-181-bmw-1-series-m140i-5dr-dublin-fpa-201902084739691

Tazzimus

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Off topic completely but I seen a video of that Chris lad from Cork. Seems he owns a EP3 now as the last time I seen a video of him he was in a ek9. I wonder which he prefers.

I'd pick the EK. EP3 & DC5 are nowhere near as much fun as an EK9 or DC2 to drive.