***** Motors chat - round 12 *****

CIP4

vintagevrs wrote: »

On a separate note, I have a serious want for this little machine

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002287816792?atmobcid=soc3

They are a serious car on the Nurburgring what they lack in power is well made up for in terms of handling Not sure what they would be like to live with on a day to day basis would be very different to your 3 series. Personally I would love one not sure as a daily driver though.

MetzgerMeister

So here's how my car has been for the last week:



Conzy and I were on the way to view an M4 in Naas last saturday week when all of a sudden we hear a slight knocking sound from the engine on the motorway. We put it down to either the wind blowing over the mirrors or something loose in the engine bay.

No...fooken engine spun a bearing :rolleyes:

BMW Goodwill covering 80% of the cost of a new engine leaving me with a hefty bill for the remaining 20% plus labour.

:eek:

There's not much miles on it either is there?

MetzgerMeister

Augeo wrote: »

:eek:

There's not much miles on it either is there?

67,000 km

Serious badluck, that's awful. Fook.
That mileage and you'd still be on the factory wiper blades sometimes. Chr1st, unreal sh1tter.

Harcrid

I feel for you. Even with 80% good will I imagine you still have a hefty outlay.

MetzgerMeister

Harcrid wrote: »

I feel for you. Even with 80% good will I imagine you still have a hefty outlay.

Yep, north of 5k.

OSI wrote: »

Who was eyeballing the M4? I would have thought you'd both be looking at X5s at this stage :pac:


**** luck on the engine though, BMW really don't seem to have a good handle on their diesels.

I was eyeing the M4. That dream is dead in the water for now anyway!

Sexual Chocolate

Had to have the rocker cover replaced with a second hand one on the e90 last week due to an oil leak. And that was the reason why

Mechanic reckons it happened due to a pressure pipe from the dpf coming lose and fixed before my ownership. The joys.:rolleyes:

Leonard Hofstadter

Christ MM, that's awful bad luck, sorry to hear that! Hopefully she's sorted soon!

eljono

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I wouldn't touch a modern BMW, they have completely lost the ability to build a reliable car these days. Practically every mate I know who has one has had some quite terrible (and expensive) issues with them. No thanks

Even the petrols, or is it mostly diesels? I'd quite like to own an M140i in the next year or two...

Old diesel

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Yep, north of 5k.



I was eyeing the M4. That dream is dead in the water for now anyway!

Hold - does that mean full cost for a new engine fitted would be 25 k?????.

Or am I miscalculating.

25 k is mindblowing stuff.

Wailin

Jaysus MM, that's some dose. I think it's time to take out an extended warranty on my own ffs.

Tazzimus

Is there any reliable site that gives brake disc size going off your reg? Gonna change the discs on the Mazda but I'me seeing several different sizes when I put my reg in and not actually sure which is correct, bar taking a wheel off to measure them.

tossy

I feel sorry for genuine enthusiasts like MM, there is the other type of lads who drive X car never even pop the bonnet to check a level or two, ignore warning lights/signs and then when it goes bang curse X car manufactuer to death and swear blind they'll never buy one again.

punisher5112

Old diesel wrote: »

Hold - does that mean full cost for a new engine fitted would be 25 k?????.

Or am I miscalculating.

25 k is mindblowing stuff.

25k???? Over 5 k is what's stated

punisher5112

OSI wrote: »

That's MM's bill after BMW's 80% goodwill. Although it's stated the goodwill is only on the cost of engine not the labour, so it could well be something like engine costing 5,000 and labour of 4,000.

Yes but not 25k....

I bought a UK Navara and brought it on myself, a few actually...

Anyway the best one had was 2005 only 3 years old, brand new engine fitted, cost was just under 5k. They didn't even put in the labour cost on the receipt. Nissan footed the complete bill

Was an absolute peach to drive, really didn't want to sell it.

MetzgerMeister

A new engine costs €14,000 + VAT. My bill of >€5,000 + VAT is for the remaining 20% plus labour for removing and stripping the engine along with installing the new one.

That engine cost doesn't include the likes of the turbo, EGR, EGR cooler etc. as all those parts are being removed from my old engine, checked, flushed of carbon or otherwise cleaned and installed on the new engine.

hooch-85

Awful bad luck MM, hard to believe on such a low mileage car.

cadaliac

@ MM - sorry to hear that about your car.
What engine was it? the 2 or the 3 ltr?
What mileage was on it?

Sister in law bought a car off CarsOnline.ie (via donedeal). They gave her a fairly small amount for trade in on her old car (as is to be expected, of course).

She collected her new (to her) car today, and they took her old one. They rang a few hours later, saying the clutch was going in her old car, and they wanted €350 off her to get it fixed. She said that's no problem, she'll have their car back up to them, she wants a full refund and she'll take her old car back. Naturally, they said they'd call her back, and so far no word.

Just posting it here as a heads up incase anyone else falls for this. An utter scam. My brother (her husband) said he seen a car they had for sale too when he was up there and was considering buying later this week. Naturally he'll go nowhere near them now.

What a stupid way to put people off you, and have people like me report it online here to hopefully sway others off too.


(as an aside, I drove her old car a fair few times, including long trips, and the clutch was grand everytime I used it).


Chancers.

MetzgerMeister

cadaliac wrote: »

@ MM - sorry to hear that about your car.
What engine was it? the 2 or the 3 ltr?
What mileage was on it?

3 litre with 67,000 km on it.

The courtesy car I have is a 2012 F10 520d with over 276,000 km on it.

wotzgoingon

Who did she buy it off and where are they located. carsireland afaik is just a website like donedeal.

wotzgoingon

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Who did she buy it off and where are they located. carsireland afaik is just a website like donedeal.

CarsOnline.ie, not CarsIreland.


They have a website of that name, and a Donedeal "showroom" account with a few cars there too.


EDIT: This is them: https://www.donedeal.ie/dealer/52

wotzgoingon

Deleted User wrote: »

CarsOnline.ie, not CarsIreland.


They have a website of that name, and a Donedeal "showroom" account with a few cars there too.


EDIT: This is them: https://www.donedeal.ie/dealer/52

Fúck sake can't even read. Cheers.

carsfan2

Sorry to hear about your car misfortune MM.
I thought the three litre was fairly bulletproof and 67k is nothing in mileage terms.
Did you have to fight hard to get Bmw’s support towards new engine?
We had a recent biggish problem out of warranty and they eventually came pretty good but after a lot of back and forth and initial refusal.

MetzgerMeister

carsfan2 wrote: »

Sorry to hear about your car misfortune MM.
I thought the three litre was fairly bulletproof and 67k is nothing in mileage terms.
Did you have to fight hard to get Bmw’s support towards new engine?
We had a recent biggish problem out of warranty and they eventually came pretty good but after a lot of back and forth and initial refusal.

No back and forth. The dealer just applied for it and they came back with that offer a few days later.

dar83

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

A new engine costs €14,000 + VAT. My bill of >€5,000 + VAT is for the remaining 20% plus labour for removing and stripping the engine along with installing the new one.

That engine cost doesn't include the likes of the turbo, EGR, EGR cooler etc. as all those parts are being removed from my old engine, checked, flushed of carbon or otherwise cleaned and installed on the new engine.

That's saucy and a complete balls.

Are they using the original ECU with the new block?

Esel

I would be pushing them to cover all costs. At the very least, the full cost of the engine.

punisher5112

Esel wrote: »

I would be pushing them to cover all costs. At the very least, the full cost of the engine.

It's actually nuts such an expensive high range motor would fail like that.

What's to stop the new block doing the same.


It's like the timing chain issues and swirl flaps etc.... Pay big money and get absolute sh1t....

Wibbs

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

67,000 km

40,000 miles in old money? Jesus MM, that's a bloody scandal. :mad: It's unacceptable in this day and age too. Hell if someone bought a car in the 80's and after following recommended servicing it spun a main bearing at that mileage there would have been words. Would you have any recourse in law MM? Small claims court kinda thing?

CharlieCroker

That's a real pity. It's a lovely car and you'd feck all mileage done since you got it.

bazz26

Sorry for your troubles MM, it puts my own car's problem into perspective.

carsfan2

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

No back and forth. The dealer just applied for it and they came back with that offer a few days later.

If that was their opening offer, I would be pushing for more to be honest. It’s unacceptable for an engine failure at that mileage. I presume you have full service history which counts in your favour too.

ba_barabus

That's pretty shocking a modern engine would fail like that. I did hear reference to it on Hoovies Garage recently that new engines were giving issues.

Could I recommend one of these to replace it?

https://youtu.be/p0KU9vsLh30

Duke O Smiley

ba_barabus wrote: »

That's pretty shocking a modern engine would fail like that. I did hear reference to it on Hoovies Garage recently that new engines were giving issues.

Could I recommend one of these to replace it?

https://youtu.be/p0KU9vsLh30

That video reminds me, I've not seen JohnBoy26 round these parts in ages!

Interslice

Sorry for you troubles MM. Nothing worse, especially if you've just bought or are about to sell.

wotzgoingon

Is boards being DDOS'd again?

Leonard Hofstadter

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Is boards being DDOS'd again?

Looks like it!

MetzgerMeister

dar83 wrote: »

That's saucy and a complete balls.

Are they using the original ECU with the new block?

Yep, along with all other ancillaries from what I'm told. The ECU will be reset to work with the new engine, mileage remains untouched.

Esel wrote: »

I would be pushing them to cover all costs. At the very least, the full cost of the engine.

I rang BMW Ireland and was told that the decision was full and final and that there was nothing they could do apart from log a complaint which may or may not be read down the line.

I agree that they should cover the full cost but despite the low mileage it's a 7 year old car. If it was a few years newer they more than likely would cover 100%.

Wibbs wrote: »

40,000 miles in old money? Jesus MM, that's a bloody scandal. :mad: It's unacceptable in this day and age too. Hell if someone bought a car in the 80's and after following recommended servicing it spun a main bearing at that mileage there would have been words. Would you have any recourse in law MM? Small claims court kinda thing?

Yep, 40,000 miles. No idea about going the law route but it would cost a lot more to go that way as opposed to what is ahead of me at the moment.

CharlieCroker wrote: »

That's a real pity. It's a lovely car and you'd feck all mileage done since you got it.

True, 25,000km when I bought it.

carsfan2 wrote: »

If that was their opening offer, I would be pushing for more to be honest. It’s unacceptable for an engine failure at that mileage. I presume you have full service history which counts in your favour too.

Yeah, full BMW service history from Colm Quinns and Morrisons. Never went outside the BMW service network in case anything like this happened.

Interslice wrote: »

Sorry for you troubles MM. Nothing worse, especially if you've just bought or are about to sell.

Thanks man. I had done a deal with conzy and he was going to buy it. He was in the car with me when it all went FUBAR.

Esel

I didn't know the car was 7 years old.

Still though, by offering what they did, they are effectively admitting responsibility.

In this scenario I would be pushing for them to provide at least the new engine free of charge to you.

The labour charge is more than enough of a hit for you to take, imo.

Big Nasty

Don't accept BMW Ireland's answer Dave

When I had my EGR troubles (I had smoke in the cabin whilst driving, valve cooler and manifold changed) BMW had my car for seven weeks as they had no parts. Zero communication from BMW throughout the whole gig unless I badgered them for info. Got a sh1tty Auris as a replacement car which my insurance would only cover for 4 weeks then wanted an additional I think .€40 / wk. Car came back dirty too.

No apology from BMW for the whole gig and flat out refused to cover my extra insurance costs. Did a bit of googling and got the name of all the top lads in Ireland, UK & Germany. An old sales trick when you want to get in touch with someone senior is figure out the company's email address format. I.e. you might not find John Smyth's (or should I say Schmidt!) email online but if the company format is 'Initial.Surname @bmw.ie / co.uk / de you can bet his is too.

Anyhow emailed a lengthy letter of complaint and copied in all the big boys. Small bit of too-and-fro but eventually got an apology to include a reply direct from the office of the CEO, full refund of my additional insurance costs and a €500 voucher for my troubles. Obviously that's on a smaller scale than yourself MM but the moral of the story is the same.

EDIT: Use the words stress and dangerous. Repeatedly.

Toyotafanboi

Esel wrote: »

I didn't know the car was 7 years old.

Still though, by offering what they did, they are effectively admitting responsibility.

In this scenario I would be pushing for them to provide at least the new engine free of charge to you.

The labour charge is more than enough of a hit for you to take, imo.

In fairness, a goodwill gesture is just that. I dont see how it's an admission of anything?

Its them saying we'll work with you for working with us. It's still expensive, granted but if you back at them condeming they could pull the whole offer.

I know €5k odd is a massive figure but to be fair tou probably wouldnt get a used engine for much less and even if you did it wouldnt be near as trustworthy a job.

At 7 years old and 45k kms if the car is used daily it's rarely getting a decent long run either ....... loads of cold running, short hops. Not really what 3.0 diesels are happy doing. It's no excuse but I'd consider the BMW offer quite fair all considered.

MetzgerMeister

Augeo wrote: »

At 7 years old and 45k kms if the car is used daily it's rarely getting a decent long run either ....... loads of cold running, short hops. Not really what 3.0 diesels are happy doing. It's no excuse but I'd consider the BMW offer quite fair all considered.

It gets proper motorway drives at least twice a week and I look after it big time including the DPF condition.

GustavoFring

I think the offer is quite fair given the age of the car. Still doesn't stop it leaving a bad taste given the tiny mileage. Genuinely gutted for you.

I would say it getting up to temp is a big thing with these engines though. I work in different locations but 25km into the office, especially in winter, doesn't even have the coolant heated up in mine, so the oil is obviously in the same boat.

MetzgerMeister

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

It gets proper motorway drives at least twice a week and I look after it big time including the DPF condition.

Yup, no doubt .......... it's the 5 days of pootling about that I'd reckon aren't ideal. As I said it's no excuse for the engine to sh1t itself. A large percentage of the miles on it are "cold" miles for want of a better word. The damage (unless it's a factory defect) might well have been done years back under previous owner.

GustavoFring wrote: »

I think the offer is quite fair given the age of the car. ..........
I would say it getting up to temp is a big thing with these engines though................

Yup, x2.

cadaliac

Augeo wrote: »

Yup, no doubt .......... it's the 5 days of pootling about that I'd reckon aren't ideal. As I said it's no excuse for the engine to sh1t itself. A large percentage of the miles on it are "cold" miles for want of a better word. The damage (unless it's a factory defect) might well have been done years back under previous owner.



Yup, x2.

Still, not acceptable.

Also, all diesels lead different lives. So, why aren't all the diesels that live on "cold miles" failing? I'll tell you why - they're not all bad designs.

wotzgoingon

Well on the plus side at least you are getting a new engine. I wish I had a new engine in my car.

hooch-85

Often thought about this but is there any way to claim off your insurance for engine failure?

Like if a car is damaged in an accident its no issue for them to pay out, or water damaged.

When a reasonably high end car like this needs an engine replacement surely insurance should cover it or is an independent warranty the only way to go?

Tazzimus

I Imagine fully comp should cover this kind of thing, but you'd probably be rode come renewal time, or you run the risk of them declaring it an economic write off.