***** Motors chat - round 12 *****

wotzgoingon

There is no point buying a new cat when there is nothing wrong with it. Put Dipetane in it next nct.

Proper cats are expensive you can get cheap ones but they are garbage.

punisher5112

Needs to be driven more too...

Cork Trucker

wotzgoingon wrote: »

There is no point buying a new cat when there is nothing wrong with it. Put Dipetane in it next nct.

Proper cats are expensive you can get cheap ones but they are garbage.

I put in a bottle of cataclean last year, the CO was low and the new lambda then was 1.01, last weekend 1.00

Cork Trucker

punisher5112 wrote: »

Needs to be driven more too...

Aye, it’s a bit of a showcar/ one in progress hence I don’t use it much. It has spent more time parked up with tax rather than driven.

wotzgoingon

Cork Trucker wrote: »

wotzgoingon wrote: »

There is no point buying a new cat when there is nothing wrong with it. Put Dipetane in it next nct.

Proper cats are expensive you can get cheap ones but they are garbage.

I put in a bottle of cataclean last year, the CO was low and the new lambda then was 1.01, last weekend 1.00

I wouldn't worry too much about the readings they will be different if you tested it three times in a row.

Tacitus Kilgore

I use a bolt in (had it flanged) metal cat for these purposes, on a car that's rarely used and factory tuned to run rich as hell.

The cat only gets put in for the test and lives on a shelf in the shed for the rest of the year, 3 years on the go now and has given reading of 1.00 every time.

Cork Trucker

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much about the readings they will be different if you tested it three times in a row.

The following are readings from the May & June 2018, after the lambda sensor was changed.

May 2018:

Oil temp 94 degrees.
Low idle CO 0.27% above 0.30% fail
(520 RPM) HC31 ppm.

High Idle Lambda 1.00
(2580 rpm) CO 0.18% vol
HC14 ppm


June 2018:

Oil temp 18 degrees (yes 18)

Low Idle CO 0.07
(680 rpm) HC 29 ppm

High Idle Lambda 1.00
(2800 rpm) CO 0.08 (i added cataclean for this test)
HC 26 ppm

The new lambda was fitted in April 2018 yet the high idle CO levels started at 0.18% dropped tp 0.08 and not back up to 0.18. The engine also ran over 100 degrees at the weekend for the first time in my ownership during a test.

The car did 1000kms across all 3 tests, between test 1 & 2 the car did 100 miles, the nct centre being 10 miles each way from my house.

Just found the first nct report from when i bought the car, i put it in on that occasion without touching anything on it and it was 2 years out of test at that point, the emissions readings in April 2018 were as follows:

Oil temp. 83 degrees
Low Idle CO 0.73 vol above 0.30 fail
(660 rpm) HC 198 ppm

High Idle Lambda 1.02 Not between 0.97 & 1.03 fail
(2820 rpm) CO 0.09 above 0.20 Pass
HC 39 ppm

I did a full engine service after this and changed the lambda, over the course of all 4 NCT tests in 14 months i have done 1075kms. I'm starting to think the cat is in trouble alright.

Sexual Chocolate

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-320-bhp/22092595

Possible power figure or bull**** ? I know they can easily be mapped to around 230.

Cork Trucker

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-320-bhp/22092595

Possible power figure or bull**** ? I know they can easily be mapped to around 230.

320BHP from a 1.8 petrol engine :eek: Hardly..............

Cork Trucker

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I use a bolt in (had it flanged) metal cat for these purposes, on a car that's rarely used and factory tuned to run rich as hell.

The cat only gets put in for the test and lives on a shelf in the shed for the rest of the year, 3 years on the go now and has given reading of 1.00 every time.

I've never seen anything like that before.

CIP4

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-320-bhp/22092595

Possible power figure or bull**** ? I know they can easily be mapped to around 230.

Unless there is a pig of a turbo down the back that you can’t see even at that fair bhp for a 1.8tsi

ShadowHearth

Cork Trucker wrote: »

320BHP from a 1.8 petrol engine :eek: Hardly..............

My buddy had a 1.5 Glanza with 320hp. Thing was mental. My 399hp skyline couldn't catch it.
It is possible, but that yolk is definitely not 320hp

Cork Trucker

ShadowHearth wrote: »

My buddy had a 1.5 Glanza with 320hp. Thing was mental. My 399hp skyline couldn't catch it.
It is possible, but that yolk is definitely not 320hp

Give me the skyline any day was never a fan of the glanza. That skoda must have a twin turbo hidden down the back of the engine as earlier mentioned.

Tacitus Kilgore

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I've never seen anything like that before.

Metal cats are the job, don't know why more dont use em tbh, feck payin top dollar for a piece i use once a year for a day

Sexual Chocolate

ShadowHearth wrote: »

My buddy had a 1.5 Glanza with 320hp. Thing was mental. My 399hp skyline couldn't catch it.
It is possible, but that yolk is definitely not 320hp

Yeah I read around after I posted it and yes I does seem possible.

Similar topic but there's a 151 1.8 tsi 180bhp Octavia on donedeal that has tickled my fancy in a weird way. Looks no different to an average model but with some tuning could be a cool sleeper.

Duke O Smiley

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Yeah I read around after I posted it and yes I does seem possible.

Similar topic but there's a 151 1.8 tsi 180bhp Octavia on donedeal that has tickled my fancy in a weird way. Looks no different to an average model but with some tuning could be a cool sleeper.

Bookies at the Newtown house does very good business, as does the one beside the Goblet etc. I’d say it’d do well at Campions, it was the one thing I thought was missing! I’d imagine it’s going in where the green/yellow headstone shop is maybe?

Duke O Smiley

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Bookies at the Newtown house does very good business, as does the one beside the Goblet etc. I’d say it’d do well at Campions, it was the one thing I thought was missing! I’d imagine it’s going in where the green/yellow headstone shop is maybe?

Lol, wrong thread!

bazz26

You could get that sort of bhp but your beyond a Stage 1 ECU remap, your into hardware upgrades, etc which can be expensive. If it is indeed at that sort of bhp I wonder how a stock Octavia would handle that power through the front wheels? Were the brakes upgraded also?

Duke O Smiley

Gents, has anyone bought fitted rubber floor mats from somewhere they could recommend? I want a set for an 07 Civic, and the driver's footwell is a bit of an awkward shape

job seeker

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Gents, has anyone bought fitted rubber floor mats from somewhere they could recommend? I want a set for an 07 Civic, and the driver's footwell is a bit of an awkward shape

There are OEM one's here that I have bought! But I have to fit them yet!

https://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/honda/honda-civic-5dr/2006-2011-civic-5dr/

Duke O Smiley

job seeker wrote: »

There are OEM one's here that I have bought! But I have to fit them yet!

https://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/honda/honda-civic-5dr/2006-2011-civic-5dr/

Forgot you had one!

Thanks for that link. My saloon usually would come with a big one piece mat for the rear, so I don't think the 5 door rears will fit but I'm more concerned about the fronts anyway, which I presume are the same for saloon/hatch!

vintagevrs

Just spotted this on carzone:
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series-330d-M-Sport-Saloon-Really-Special-Car-with-Massiv/201906068737035


I sat in this car three years ago before it was PDId when I was considering chopping the golf on for a 330e it was in the dealers car park. I can't remember price but I think it was nudging 70k. salesman was showing me the leather option in it.

Would say it took a serious whack as any new car would, but just 14k miles in three years...ouch. hate this poa ****e.

job seeker

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Forgot you had one!

Thanks for that link. My saloon usually would come with a big one piece mat for the rear, so I don't think the 5 door rears will fit but I'm more concerned about the fronts anyway, which I presume are the same for saloon/hatch!

Danm! Just looked there! They don't have an option for the saloon!? Assumed they would!

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Forgot you had one!

Thanks for that link. My saloon usually would come with a big one piece mat for the rear, so I don't think the 5 door rears will fit but I'm more concerned about the fronts anyway, which I presume are the same for saloon/hatch!

They’re different.

(As in completely different)

job seeker

colm_mcm wrote: »

They’re different.

(As in completely different)

I was kinda thinking that too..

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

They’re different.

(As in completely different)

Pity

The accelerator pedal is a total balls. I bought a set of generic rubber ones but the drivers one just can’t be trimmed properly to fit around the pedal without looking like a rear mat

job seeker

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Pity

The accelerator pedal is a total balls. I bought a set of generic rubber ones but the drivers one just can’t be trimmed properly to fit around the pedal without looking like a rear mat

What a balls! My mistake Duke!

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Pity

The accelerator pedal is a total balls. I bought a set of generic rubber ones but the drivers one just can’t be trimmed properly to fit around the pedal without looking like a rear mat

This is the sort of shape you need

MetzgerMeister

vintagevrs wrote: »

Just spotted this on carzone:
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series-330d-M-Sport-Saloon-Really-Special-Car-with-Massiv/201906068737035


I sat in this car three years ago before it was PDId when I was considering chopping the golf on for a 330e it was in the dealers car park. I can't remember price but I think it was nudging 70k. salesman was showing me the leather option in it.

Would say it took a serious whack as any new car would, but just 14k miles in three years...ouch. hate this poa ****e.

There's a 132 330d in the same colour and same alloys around my area. Thought that was it until I saw the year.

Very nice leather in that one actually.

carsfan2

vintagevrs wrote: »

Just spotted this on carzone:
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series-330d-M-Sport-Saloon-Really-Special-Car-with-Massiv/201906068737035


I sat in this car three years ago before it was PDId when I was considering chopping the golf on for a 330e it was in the dealers car park. I can't remember price but I think it was nudging 70k. salesman was showing me the leather option in it.

Would say it took a serious whack as any new car would, but just 14k miles in three years...ouch. hate this poa ****e.

That car is full of options that the dealer will tell you are worthless when you trade in but then make it a “special” car when they want to resell.
My guesstimate would be the owner got low 30’s as a trade in and they want about 38/40k for it now.

carsfan2

carsfan2 wrote: »

...........
My guesstimate would be the owner got low 30’s as a trade in and they want about 38/40k for it now.

Quite likely, BMW GFMVs are typically 45/46% ish?

vintagevrs

carsfan2 wrote: »

That car is full of options that the dealer will tell you are worthless when you trade in but then make it a “special” car when they want to resell.
My guesstimate would be the owner got low 30’s as a trade in and they want about 38/40k for it now.

I'd say you're right. When I sat in it three years ago I thought it was the business. 2 euro per mile on depreciation soon makes you realise how much that new car smell really costs though.

I wonder is it POA so the previous owner doesn't see how much they put it up for. Never understood POA unless it's a collectable or rare car. That's a diesel 3 series ffs

bazz26

Fully loaded but doesn't have heated front seats... :pac:

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

Fully loaded but doesn't have heated front seats... :pac:

Strange omission when you're throwing so much kit in to it but can be retro fitted apparently. Nice car though if you could get it low thirties with a 2 year BMW warranty.

watched Bob Flavin review the new 3 series at lunch time and have to say the old model has dated very much, especially the interior.

vintagevrs

Hmmm...

Maybe I'm just defending my own position because it's too early (expensive) for me to move to a g series, but does new car tech really make things much better, and are the interiors better or just newer and flashier? I like the simplicity in my own car.

There's tonnes of stuff now that comes in cars that I could probably do without. Gesture control and touch screen I drive, neither I would use. Digital instruments where I genuinely prefer analogue. The not so ambient "ambient lighting", I prefer the more subtle hidden light strips but loads prefer the visible strips. I see loads of people on the f30s stick in a bit of plastic that glows and shows in the door cards. Don't get it myself.

If I bought a new one I'd probably be saying all that stuff is great though, when it's all a load of balls.

bazz26

The ambient light in the current E Class doesn't do it for me either, just too much of it and feels like your in a nightclub with wall to wall neon lights. Feels cheap to me. Seems to be a trend now with most manufacturers to fit this where you can change colours through the entire spectrum. My F10 has ambient lighting albeit in the doors and centre console and you can only change between white and amber. Wouldn't be hung up on anything more really and I could live without it too.

carsfan2

Agree a lot of the stuff in the g series is just for effect and didn’t mean to insult the 3 series interior Vintage!
I have gesture control but wouldn’t pay for it. The only gadget I have that I would look for again is heads up display. It’s excellent.

That 330d for 31/32k is a good buy but I guess that’s not what they’re looking for it.
By the way who buys a diesel to do 5 or 6 thousand miles a year?

vintagevrs

New bushings fitted.... vibration under braking is gone. Happy mother ****ing days!

I now have my car back and as it should be. Delighted.

James Bond Junior

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

Duke O Smiley

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

Did they not drop the 250d from the previous model for the 300d in the new model?

colm_mcm

Hasn’t the current CLS been out a long time now? 7/8 years anyway
Or is there a new new one?

Duke O Smiley

There is a new one since late last year

James Bond Junior

colm_mcm wrote: »

Hasn’t the current CLS been out a long time now? 7/8 years anyway
Or is there a new new one?

There is a new one but I was looking at a 161 one. Even less excuse not to know seeing as the model is out since 2011. Still a very fresh looking car mind you.

GustavoFring

vintagevrs wrote: »

New bushings fitted.... vibration under braking is gone. Happy mother ****ing days!

I now have my car back and as it should be. Delighted.

Happy days, niggly bits like that can drive you mad.

ba_barabus

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

There's a lot of salespeople out there who know nothing about cars or the models in general but when you find one who knows there stuff, as a car person, it's great.

bazz26

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

You looking for yourself or somebody else?

CIP4

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'd say you're right. When I sat in it three years ago I thought it was the business. 2 euro per mile on depreciation soon makes you realise how much that new car smell really costs though.

Well that’s a fairly extreme example of an expensive car that done very little miles over the 3 years. To be fair a long way of your average new car. Like you could buy a brand Leon for example for 25k and get an ok trade in after 3 years so wouldn't cost you much to own a new car in a case like that.

Plus I reckon anyway that is buying a 70k brand new BMW probably doesn’t care that it costs 2 euro a mile in depreciation. Your kind of gone past the whole I have 300 euro a month to spend what car can I get on PCP for that kind of thing.

James Bond Junior

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Called into my local Mercedes dealer to look at a CLS. He tried to tell me the CLS only came in a 220 engine and the there was no such engine as the twin turbo 250d. How are Irish dealers so clueless?

James Bond Junior wrote: »

There is a new one but I was looking at a 161 one. Even less excuse not to know seeing as the model is out since 2011. Still a very fresh looking car mind you.

What engine was in the 161 you viewed? 220 presumably?
Whatever he tried to tell you about other available engines is immaterial really.
Fair enough....you know more then him about the engine range....

CIP4

Augeo wrote: »

What engine was in the 161 you viewed? 220 presumably?
Whatever he tried to tell you about other available engines is immaterial really.
Fair enough....you know more then him about the engine range....

I do think it reflects badly though when a car dealer salesman doesn't have a clue about any of the technical side of the cars they are trying to sell such as engine range which is a basic enough thing.

In the working world in general whatever job you do you are payed to have a good understanding of the area your working in and all things related Which allows you to do your job to a good standard.

ba_barabus

CIP4 wrote: »

I do think it reflects badly though when a car dealer salesman doesn't have a clue about any of the technical side of the cars they are trying to sell such as engine range which is a basic enough thing

Looking at it from their angle the most common questions are, is it cheap to tax, is it diesel, how much is PCP, does it have shat nav, does it make noise before I reverse into something and is it an SUV.

Most buyers either don't know what they're looking at or give a ****. A select few will know what engine they want.

Personally, I love when they know the exact details of the model range and all their nuances.