Assault in IFSC/Spencer Dock. What the hell is wrong with this city?

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

Bob24 wrote: »

I don’t think they need to be moved though. What needs to change is that our society as a whole either ignores the current issues linked to social housing or accepts them as unavoidable.

I do realise there are many political blockers to achieve this, but all we need is to stop tolerating these behaviours and severely punish them (from small things to big ones). This would be giving everyone a service including the numerous decent people who need to rely on social housing and have to put-up with that crap on a daily basis.

Again, cycling home last night you see so many young women in their 20s with 2 or 3 kids walking around. These girls should be working full time and educated by then.
What if we offered people from these areas generous grants for getting educated and not having kids? Because knocking out babies and getting a house beside your Ma is an attractive life to these people.

Bob24

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

Again, cycling home last night you see so many young women in their 20s with 2 or 3 kids walking around. These girls should be working full time and educated by then.
What if we offered people from these areas generous grants for getting educated and not having kids? Because knocking out babies and getting a house beside your Ma is an attractive life to these people.

Yeah don’t disagree with that.

Really my point is that accepting that social housing has to be the way it is (and conclude it should just be moved away from the city) is a mistake in my opinion.

MarkY91

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

Again, cycling home last night you see so many young women in their 20s with 2 or 3 kids walking around. These girls should be working full time and educated by then.
What if we offered people from these areas generous grants for getting educated and not having kids? Because knocking out babies and getting a house beside your Ma is an attractive life to these people.

You only ever see tracksuit wearing young women obviously from sheriff street wheeling buggys around town. Why do I never see posh, more educated young women doing the same? Something is missing in the common women's education or upbringing that makes being a mother at age 18 is deemed to be ok. It's not, they're bound for a life children's allowance and they're perfectly happy with that.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

MarkY91 wrote: »

You only ever see tracksuit wearing young women obviously from sheriff street wheeling buggys around town. Why do I never see posh, more educated young women doing the same? Something is missing in the common women's education or upbringing that makes being a mother at age 18 is deemed to be ok. It's not, they're bound for a life children's allowance and they're perfectly happy with that.

Lack of ambition and zero guidance from parents. And just not knowing any better. They think anyone different to them is a posh c*nt or a bleedin' weeeirdo. The state needs to intervene. Which it wont. They're useless. I don't know why I even discuss this stuff, it will never change.

Dublin Spur

the city center absolutely can be fixed but the state chooses not to tackle the issue

A robust law enforcement and sentencing would be a start, if you know you are gonna get caught and fcuked up by the system if you act the maggot, you're less likely to act the maggot.

This should followed by a longer term plan to re-locate local scumbags to areas where they are less likely to come into contact with tourists and over time the area will be replaced with people who contribute to society and are proud of where they live.

It's not easy by any means, but leaving it the way it is makes large areas of the city center (close to tourist attractions) filthy and dangerous. It's very depressing.

MarkY91

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

Lack of ambition and zero guidance from parents. And just not knowing any better. They think anyone different to them is a posh c*nt or a bleedin' weeeirdo. The state needs to intervene. Which it wont. They're useless. I don't know why I even discuss this stuff, it will never change.

I live on a hosting estate in crumlin.

Girls I played with as a kid have kids now playing on the street, all teen mother's, some even on 2 or 3 kids. It's madness. I wouldn't even consider a child until I'm financially stable(I'm by far not) and have a plan in place. I'm 27 now, even if I'm financially stable, I would never have a kid on my 20s.

Why doesn't this crap happen in other cities? Or at least their city centres. I bet tourists are spreading the word. It's a shame as Ireland is beutiful and Dublin is worth a weekend stay but some scumbags are trashing the city centre.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

MarkY91 wrote: »

I live on a hosting estate in crumlin.

Girls I played with as a kid have kids now playing on the street, all teen mother's, some even on 2 or 3 kids. It's madness. I wouldn't even consider a child until I'm financially stable(I'm by far not) and have a plan in place. I'm 27 now, even if I'm financially stable, I would never have a kid on my 20s.

Why doesn't this crap happen in other cities? Or at least their city centres. I bet tourists are spreading the word. It's a shame as Ireland is beutiful and Dublin is worth a weekend stay but some scumbags are trashing the city centre.

Live in a similar area myself. I work though and pay for my house. I'm fine with that and I'm fine with my neighbours getting the houses for free but at least raise your kids properly. We all need a leg up from the state sometimes.
My parents are from inner city and Finglas, not exactly Dalkey, but they were driven and respectful of laws and the state and raised me properly. There's something wrong with this class of waster that takes and takes and gives nothing back.

tricky D

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

These knackers should be sterilised or have their kids taken off them.

Mod note: There's enough rant in this thread already, but the above and rounding them up and throwing out beyond the M50 and suchlike are contrary to the charter ie. knock that rubbish off.
Do not respond to this message on thread.

AndrewJRenko

MarkY91 wrote: »

My girlfriend is foreign and she can't understand why these knackers are living in such prime locations for free

No-one gets social housing for free.

John_Rambo

MarkY91 wrote: »

You only ever see tracksuit wearing young women obviously from sheriff street wheeling buggys around town.

Really? What town? Dublin city, between the canals?

MarkY91 wrote: »

Why do I never see posh, more educated young women doing the same? Something is missing in the common women's education or upbringing that makes being a mother at age 18 is deemed to be ok. It's not, they're bound for a life children's allowance and they're perfectly happy with that.

I'd be often seen around town, so would my wife, with buggies and kids along with a lot of other people. We don't wear tracksuits and we're not "obviously" from Sheriff st. (although we lived there for a long time)

Are you seeing what you want to see to enflame your rage? Do you wear your "scumbag blinkers" when you're knocking around town?

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

John_Rambo wrote: »

Really? What town? Dublin city, between the canals?



I'd be often seen around town, so would my wife, with buggies and kids along with a lot of other people. We don't wear tracksuits and we're not "obviously" from Sheriff st. (although we lived there for a long time)

Are you seeing what you want to see to enflame your rage? Do you wear your "scumbag blinkers" when you're knocking around town?

I think if you're often in the North Inner City, unless you're totally clueless, you know what he's talking about. I've seen your posts before and I agree with you on many things, I think we might be neighbours actually, but you're the one wearing blinkers when it comes to the issues with Dublin city centre!

yosser hughes

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No-one gets social housing for free.

Yes they do. When all your income is welfare and you are allocated social housing, you will pay a miniscule rent out of the welfare.
You haven't 'earned' anything. These people have kids and use them as a meal ticket to get up the list.
It is absolutely disgraceful that we have a significant number of people living in city centre locations who have no intention of working. Generations of them.
Meanwhile workers commute for hours and their tax supports these free loaders

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No-one gets social housing for free.

If you're a single mother and not earning any money but are provided accommodation and an income of some sort, is that not free? Docking some rent from your free income doesn't equate to paying for it... does it?!

John_Rambo

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

I think if you're often in the North Inner City, unless you're totally clueless, you know what he's talking about. I've seen your posts before and I agree with you on many things, I think we might be neighbours actually, but you're the one wearing blinkers when it comes to the issues with Dublin city centre!

I'd say you're realistically lingering between his bull**** posts and my (admittedly) rose tinted glasses posts. But, it's not that bad. My sojourns are now early morning ones (kids) so I'm presented with clean streets, not much flak and very cheap ethnic eateries.

I still work in the area, and whilst there's the odd teen bogie gang, there very easily avoided or very very easily handled.

For me anyway. (and probably you)

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'd say you're realistically lingering between his bull**** posts and my (admittedly) rose tinted glasses posts. But, it's not that bad. My sojourns are now early morning ones (kids) so I'm presented with clean streets, not much flak and very cheap ethnic eateries.

I still work in the area, and whilst there's the odd teen bogie gang, there very easily avoided or very very easily handled.

For me anyway. (and probably you)

It's not bad, I know, I still love this city, for all its flaws. Once I was held up by syringe on O'Connell st in the afternoon, when I was 15, that's the only trouble I've ever had. Which is pretty bad I suppose!
I don't even know what we're talking about any more in this thread to be honest.

AndrewJRenko

yosser hughes wrote: »

Yes they do. When all your income is welfare and you are allocated social housing, you will pay a miniscule rent out of the welfare.
You haven't 'earned' anything. These people have kids and use them as a meal ticket to get up the list.
It is absolutely disgraceful that we have a significant number of people living in city centre locations who have no intention of working. Generations of them.
Meanwhile workers commute for hours and their tax supports these free loaders

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

If you're a single mother and not earning any money but are provided accommodation and an income of some sort, is that not free? Docking some rent from your free income doesn't equate to paying for it... does it?!

Everyone in social housing pays rent. Social housing is not free. And here's the shocker - some people in social housing actually work - and are still under the income thresholds for social housing.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Everyone in social housing pays rent. Social housing is not free. And here's the shocker - some people in social housing actually work - and are still under the income thresholds for social housing.

I don't think you understand the concept of earning money.
By the way, if you're from an area, are you more likely to get social housing in that area if you're on a list? Like could you be from Summerhill, but get a house in say Belcamp or somewhere?

John_Rambo

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

It's not bad, I know, I still love this city, for all its flaws. Once I was held up by syringe on O'Connell st in the afternoon, when I was 15, that's the only trouble I've ever had. Which is pretty bad I suppose!
I don't even know what we're talking about any more in this thread to be honest.

LOL! I'm with you. Every city has an underbelly. The cleaner they are the deeper the underbelly is in my experience. The North East inner city has been seriously neglected and that creates lots of problems.

I got on well when I lived there. I sort of got involved with my neighbours and the community, it went well and I still have good friends from the area that went to my wedding and remain close and handy friends.

It's a bit like a rich Dublin person moving in to a small village in a rural part of Ireland thinking they're much better than the locals & not getting involved in the community. Then they're amazed that they're not accepted.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

I don't know, it's just ridiculous. This whole government. They keep telling us about job creations and the economy booming but the inner city with homeless people is worse than it's ever been. The Garda are useless, there's still litter everywhere...
Beggars are all over Fairview now, there was none of that when I went to school there in the 90s. There are heroin addicts everywhere, I think people are just sick of the city being such a mess.
I work around Baggot St Bridge now and it's like a totally different city to when I worked in North Inner City, I think the Government is oblivious to our problems.

yosser hughes

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Everyone in social housing pays rent. Social housing is not free. And here's the shocker - some people in social housing actually work - and are still under the income thresholds for social housing.

If the rent you pay is from welfare you receive then it is free, do you understand that?
People who work in and live in social housing are still heavily subsidised
Even at that DCC are owed millions in rent by those in arrears.

Gavin "shels"

yosser hughes wrote: »

If the rent you pay is from welfare you receive then it is free, do you understand that?
People who work in and live in social housing are still heavily subsidised
Even at that DCC are owed millions in rent by those in arrears.

But it's a legal right.... supposedly whether you pay or not :rolleyes::rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

I don't think you understand the concept of earning money.

So the people who clean your toilets, and clean up the kitchen after your nice restaurant dinner, and clean up the drool from your elderly relatives in the home, and change your babies' nappies during the day, they're not 'earning money' in your eyes?

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

By the way, if you're from an area, are you more likely to get social housing in that area if you're on a list? Like could you be from Summerhill, but get a house in say Belcamp or somewhere?

If you want me to do your research for you, we'd need to agree an hourly rate up front.

yosser hughes wrote: »

If the rent you pay is from welfare you receive then it is free, do you understand that?

If you pay rent, you're not getting it for free - do you understand that?

yosser hughes wrote: »

Even at that DCC are owed millions in rent by those in arrears.

Actually, most of the millions owed to DCC is by businesses, property developers and mortgage holders - but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant;
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/dublin-city-council-owed-247m-at-end-of-last-year-1.1770299

Bob24

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So the people who clean your toilets, and clean up the kitchen after your nice restaurant dinner, and clean up the drool from your elderly relatives in the home, and change your babies' nappies during the day, they're not 'earning money' in your eyes?

Literally no-one said that.

Two posts above yours someone explained clearly what is meant by free social housing* and that should be the end of it, but to keep your trolling going you choose to completely misrepresent what was expressed by another poster and portray them as a poor-hater? :-/


* which really it is not rocket science and didn't require an explanation, I have no doubt you fully get it

AndrewJRenko

Bob24 wrote: »

Literally *noone* said that.

Two posts above yours someone explained clearly what is meant by free social housing (and really it is not rocket science and didn't require an explaination) but to keep your trolling going you choose to completely misrepresent what was expressed by another poster :-/

So just to be clear then, people who are working on minimum wage do actually earn their money then?

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you pay rent, you're not getting it for free - do you understand that?

No - because that's complete nonsense. If you're given the money to pay your rent then you are getting your rent for free. If my parents paid me the money to pay my mortgage then I am not paying my mortgage, my parents are. If someone gets social welfare to pay their rent then the State is paying their rent. This is painfully obvious.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Actually, most of the millions owed to DCC is by businesses, property developers and mortgage holders - but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant;
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/dublin-city-council-owed-247m-at-end-of-last-year-1.1770299

"It doesn't matter that there's millions in unpaid rent because there's even more unpaid rates"

More nonsense. People can't managed to pay their free/heavily subsidised rent (I wonder what they do with the money instead, save puppies I'm sure) but that's fine.

AndrewJRenko

Annie Gifted Movement wrote: »

No - because that's complete nonsense. If you're given the money to pay your rent then you are getting your rent for free. If my parents paid me the money to pay my mortgage then I am not paying my mortgage, my parents are. If someone gets social welfare to pay their rent then the State is paying their rent. This is painfully obvious.

It is painfully obvious that you haven't done a forensic financial audit on the people you're whinging about. So you don't know what money they have, what income they have and where they spend it You've no idea where their rent money comes from. But either way - it's their money. They have the choice to get social housing and pay rent or use the money for something else. It's their money.

Annie Gifted Movement wrote: »

"It doesn't matter that there's millions in unpaid rent because there's even more unpaid rates"

More nonsense. People can't managed to pay their free/heavily subsidised rent (I wonder what they do with the money instead, save puppies I'm sure) but that's fine.

Have you been taking lessons from Trump's team in fake news? You know those double-apostrophe marks that you put at the start and end of that first sentence. They're called 'quotation marks' and are usually used to mark out a quotation - something that somebody actually said - not something that you just made up.

€72m owed in unpaid rents to councils across the country. It's grand though because rates.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/councils-owed-over-400m-in-unpaid-rents-loans-and-rates-36765225.html

savj2

Just seen a man get a big beating on Green St, Dublin 7

He was an English man about 30 years of age wearing a suit and got into trouble with a few youths from the flats on the green beside the old special criminal court.

Not sure what started it, but he couldn't get away from the mob and his face was covered in blood.

There was a few lads maybe 13-15 years of age and one lad late 30s maybe early 40s laying into him kicking him on the ground.

The Gardai did turn up and got one of the youths but a load got away.

This is the second mob incident I've seen on Green St in the space of 6 weeks. 6 Weeks there was a big fight between local teenagers and went on until the Gardai arrived.

There is a noticeable increase in anti-social behaviour in the past 6 months here and I see it getting worse with the summer holidays around the corner.

AndrewJRenko

Annie Gifted Movement wrote: »

€72m owed in unpaid rents to councils across the country. It's grand though because rates.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/councils-owed-over-400m-in-unpaid-rents-loans-and-rates-36765225.html

Thanks for the link - the headlines say it all;

Councils owed over €400m in unpaid rents, loans and rates
Report shows council shortfall of €291m in unpaid commercial rates alone

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich

Coming through Spencer Dock area today on the bike, there was a man passed out in a tracksuit, looked like a heroin addict on the grass at the side as professionals in business attire walked by, and 2 kids flying around on scramblers. East Wall and townies always seemed to have kids on scramblers flying around for as long as I can remember.
Anyway it's just quite an odd place, 2 completely different worlds in the same area.

Bob24

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

2 completely different worlds in the same area.

Yes this part of the city is actually strange sometimes.

Mind you, I am all in favour of keeping a good social mix in the city as I think if you geographically segregate people by social classes too much, overtime they don't feel like there belong to the same society anymore. But a social mix should mean mixing the less and the better well off and have them talk to each other because they are all decent people and fell like they are part of the same society, not mixing drugs addicts and criminals with bankers and IT workers and have them point fingers at each other.

wakka12

Totally Tropical wrote: »

Well the whole O'Connell Street area and it's environs, and the whole north city centre area in general, is not exactly in an ideal state.I stand over what i said.:) It might not be Johannesburg.But nonetheless, you do need to keep your wits about you in that part of town.;)

I dont get what people say about Oconnell Street tbh. Plenty of northside areas are absolute dives, I walked up near foley street the other day near the social housing and 8-10 teenage boys on their bikes at the end with hoodies up all looking back down the road in my direction from under their hoods..needless to say I walked back the other way!
But O'connell Street is so safe..its far too busy night and day that youd ever find trouble..henry, parnell, abbey street, marlborough street and parnell square are all perfectly fine areas too. I cant say Ive ever in my life felt even the slightest bit threatend in those areas. Theres undoubtedly more rougher looking people in these areas but that doesnt mean youre gonna get mugged.

beauf

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont get what people say about Oconnell Street tbh. ....
But O'connell Street is so safe..its far too busy night and day that youd ever find trouble..henry, parnell, abbey street, marlborough street and parnell square are all perfectly fine areas too.....that doesnt mean youre gonna get mugged.

The stats would disagree with you.

http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2014/03/crime-7.png

City center feels like a different planet than it did 10 yrs ago in terms of feeling safe.

dubrov

beauf wrote:

The stats would disagree with you.

That map is misleading given the city centre is far more densely populated than the suburbs.

O'Connell street isn't even in the dark red area. That's all south of the Liffey

Subcomandante Marcos

dubrov wrote: »

That map is misleading given the city centre is far more densely populated than the suburbs.

O'Connell street isn't even in the dark red area. That's all south of the Liffey

In fairness most of the crime events in the D2 area would be petty crimes. Shop lifting, bag/purse grabs, pick pocketing in and around Grafton street etc.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It is painfully obvious that you haven't done a forensic financial audit on the people you're whinging about. So you don't know what money they have, what income they have and where they spend it You've no idea where their rent money comes from. But either way - it's their money. They have the choice to get social housing and pay rent or use the money for something else. It's their money.

youve no right to get so aggressive when the majority of people would agree that this point is sophistry at best and utter sh1te at worst

beauf

dubrov wrote: »

That map is misleading given the city centre is far more densely populated than the suburbs.

O'Connell street isn't even in the dark red area. That's all south of the Liffey

It's a stylised map based on the Garda stations. Not physical location of the crime. I assume.

The point is you'll have more crime in densely populated city center location due to weight of numbers.

Also between the courts and Garda stations on the Luas between the park and the IFSC it's the mainline for people attending court and reporting to Garda stations. There's a real tough crowd on that Luas in those locations. Not to mention all the tough areas behind all these city centre locations only a short walk away.

Of course the Garda figures are not to be trusted either. All the messing around closing Garda stations and crime reporting.

Subcomandante Marcos

Deleted User wrote: »

youve no right to get so aggressive when the majority of people would agree that this point is sophistry at best and utter sh1te at worst

People don't have the "right" to rebut nonsense, because you perceive it as aggressive and because the majority of a sample section of denizens of Boards.ie engaging in this thread don't agree with his stance?

That's not how rights work tbh.

Subcomandante Marcos

beauf wrote: »

It's a stylised map based on the Garda stations. Not physical location of the crime. I assume.

The point is you'll have more crime in densely populated city center location due to weight of numbers.

It's reported crime committed within the districts of those stations.

beauf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's reported crime committed within the districts of those stations.

Maybe there are richer pickings south of the Liffey.

beauf

Bob24 wrote: »

Yes this part of the city is actually strange sometimes.

Mind you, I am all in favour of keeping a good social mix in the city as I think if you geographically segregate people by social classes too much, overtime they don't feel like there belong to the same society anymore. But a social mix should mean mixing the less and the better well off and have them talk to each other because they are all decent people and fell like they are part of the same society, not mixing drugs addicts and criminals with bankers and IT workers and have them point fingers at each other.

Must be a vast difference in rent in the smallest physical distance around the IFSC.

You've also got a lot of foreign workers in this area who have no idea what they are near.

That said the boom has transformed these areas. In the 80 and 90 these areas were like a wasteland.

Subcomandante Marcos

beauf wrote: »

Maybe there are richer pickings south of the Liffey.

Tourists and shoppers are easy targets for scams and pickpockets.

andekwarhola

Annie Gifted Movement wrote: »

€72m owed in unpaid rents to councils across the country. It's grand though because rates.

Actually, if you read the article you'll see that 41m of that is unpaid rates.

beauf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

People don't have the "right" to rebut nonsense, because you perceive it as aggressive and because the majority of a sample section of denizens of Boards.ie engaging in this thread don't agree with his stance?

That's not how rights work tbh.

But that is how after hours works....

Subcomandante Marcos

beauf wrote: »

But that is how after hours works....

Oh yeah, he who shouts loudest wins.

beauf

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

.. They have the choice to get social housing and pay rent or use the money for something else. It's their money....

... The prtb would have a different view...

beauf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Oh yeah, he who shouts loudest wins.

Or finds the most spelling or grammatical errors or strawman, or whataboutery.

... The point is to have fun...

Subcomandante Marcos

beauf wrote: »

Or finds the most spelling or grammatical errors or strawman, or whataboutery.

... The point is to have fun...

Strange definition of fun there.:pac:

beauf

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Strange definition of fun there.:pac:

In fairness it's been a barrel of laughs so far.

Even the Luas travel in twos in this part of the city. You have to expect Luas morals.

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Oh yeah, he who shouts loudest wins.

the poster i responded to is the loudest shouter type

thanks for the speech on rights and the projection of my intent. thats not how good rhetoric works either but mwah