Niro Phev

jarrieta

One question for the Niro PHEV owners, I guess the Irish model comes with LKAS (no LFA), is it as bad as the Ioniq, doing ping-pong between the lane lines?

Does it have adaptive cruise control? If it does I guess it is not start-stop, so you have to brake to stop the car before hitting the rear of the car in front and engage it again when going over some speed?

I have not found a definite answer online

unkel

jarrieta wrote: »

One question for the Niro PHEV owners, I guess the Irish model comes with LKAS (no LFA), is it as bad as the Ioniq, doing ping-pong between the lane lines?

Eh?

A few months ago it drove for a good 10-15km for me without me having to touch the steering wheel. It never ping-ponged between the lane lines, although at times it was closer to the left line than I would have driven the car myself. But never on the line and certainly not over it. Also never anywhere near the right line. I was in the overtaking lane all that time though, don't know if that makes a difference. Maybe you didn't set it to the highest active level?

jarrieta

Oh, ok, I was basing my comment in reviews as I have never driven an Ioniq, I guess it is not as bad as some people say then and the Niro has the same system?

KCross

Springwell wrote: »

Get 55-58km from the battery now, not sure how winter will affect that...

Are you still getting 50km+ in EV only mode?

Springwell

Yes, 51km today on battery going over Wicklow Gap.

ETA: Car has just gone over 18.000km on the clock since pick up in August. I've just done December budget/accounts and €127 was all the fuel that went in it in December. Compared to €90 a week in 2012 Peugeot 3008 before we changed.

KCross

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

Why PHEV? Is this to replace your electric?

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why PHEV? Is this to replace your electric?

Replace remaining diesel. Keeping Leaf.

Not willing to spend €40k on a long range BEV from Korea and need something that can do long range when needed. Don’t want pure ICE.

That unfortunately leaves PHEV. Unless you good folks have any better ideas?

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

For 25k you'd get a 181 BMW 330e all in

What are they here new 50k?

Some cat too

Almost 300bhp

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

For 25k you'd get a 181 BMW 330e all in

What are they here new 50k?

Some cat too

Almost 300bhp

I have been watching them too. Poor EV range though.

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

I have been watching them too. Poor EV range though.

Its not great, EPA range of 22km vs Kia Niro phev range of 46km

It would suit me as I only have a 10km commute to work

New 19 version will have 40km EPA like Kia which is pretty good

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Replace remaining diesel. Keeping Leaf.

Not willing to spend €40k on a long range BEV from Korea and need something that can do long range when needed. Don’t want pure ICE.

That unfortunately leaves PHEV. Unless you good folks have any better ideas?

Nothing else and the Kia is really nice

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nothing else and the Kia is really nice

Have you driven one?
I thought it would have more poke, but it’s not bad!

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Have you driven one?
I thought it would have more poke, but it’s not bad!

No, didn't drive it.



We spent a long time looking around it in Kia, they only had one PHEV and it would have meant taking down from the show room so we left. It even passed the MIsses test which is haaarrrddddd to pass

slave1

So guys, the UK's have been around a while now and coming to used market, any more imports and how did ye get on?

KCross

slave1 wrote: »

So guys, the UK's have been around a while now and coming to used market, any more imports and how did ye get on?

I’m in brexit and sterling watch mode. Didn’t pull the trigger on it yet.

Secondhand prices in the Uk went up end of last year due to reduced grant.

daheff

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta


How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

Lossy

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta


How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

I'm finding it hard to go swap back to our non-automatic ICE.

As far as I know it cannot be pre-heated but I dont know for sure.

What I do in the Niro PHEV on a cold morning.

1. Let the ICE idle to heat up the cabin (even if im only driving in EV mode).
2. Turn the heat setting down so that the ICE doesnt kick in and use the heated seats and heated steering wheel.
3. Let the ICE idle to heat up the cabin AND turn on the heated seats and heated steering wheel for that extra toasty feeling.
4. Sometimes on cold mornings I just use Hybrid mode first and switch over to EV after a few minutes when the cabin has heated.

ELM327

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta


How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

It is not possible.

KCross

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

I asked here and on the UK forum and its apparently not possible but the heated seats are quite good so unless its absolutely freezing you should be OK with those although cabin pre-heating would have been nice.

See Springwells post 27 on this thread.

slave1

KCross wrote: »

I asked here and on the UK forum and its apparently not possible but the heated seats are quite good so unless its absolutely freezing you should be OK with those although cabin pre-heating would have been nice.

See Springwells post 27 on this thread.

For me pre-heating is not just about the temp inside the car, it's more about perfectly clear windows all around i.e. no snow/frost on the outside and no condensation on the inside

unkel

Lossy wrote: »

What I do in the Niro PHEV on a cold morning.

1. Let the ICE idle to heat up the cabin

Very bad practice. It causes maximum wear on the petrol engine. And if it means the keys are with the car while the engine is running, then if someone steals the car, you are not covered by your insurance. Goodbye €30k

daheff

KCross wrote: »

I asked here and on the UK forum and its apparently not possible but the heated seats are quite good so unless its absolutely freezing you should be OK with those although cabin pre-heating would have been nice.

See Springwells post 27 on this thread.

thanks all for your responses on this.

While heated seats & steering wheel are all toasty for me, theres none in the back seat...and i dont want the kids to be freezing (yeah i'm that nice!):D

Mike9832

daheff wrote: »

thanks all for your responses on this.

While heated seats & steering wheel are all toasty for me, theres none in the back seat...and i dont want the kids to be freezing (yeah i'm that nice!):D

Don't blame you

It's a stupid flaw

Who drives around without heating on

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

thanks all for your responses on this.

While heated seats & steering wheel are all toasty for me, theres none in the back seat...and i dont want the kids to be freezing (yeah i'm that nice!):D

Hot water bottle, sorted

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta


How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

What sort of ltr/100km are you getting after the battery is empty?

daheff

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What sort of ltr/100km are you getting after the battery is empty?

to be honest i'm not 100% sure. I'm mainly using the battery. I have had to make 1 return trip of of around 200km (so about 150km on petrol).

1've done about 1500km in total and the petrol usage is saying 1.4l/100km....which means (if my maths is right), i've used about 21l in total, driving about 150km....so 14l/100km ?? Now i know everytime you accellerate sharply the engine kicks in, same when you turn on AC....petrol usage seems to be highest turning on the engine....and all that skews the stats on it.

i'd say reasonably speaking its probably doing 6-7l/100km. The engine is 1.6l after all. Next time i need to use petrol only I'll keep an eye on it and let you know.

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

to be honest i'm not 100% sure. I'm mainly using the battery. I have had to make 1 return trip of of around 200km (so about 150km on petrol).

1've done about 1500km in total and the petrol usage is saying 1.4l/100km....which means (if my maths is right), i've used about 21l in total, driving about 150km....so 14l/100km ?? Now i know everytime you accellerate sharply the engine kicks in, same when you turn on AC....petrol usage seems to be highest turning on the engine....and all that skews the stats on it.

i'd say reasonably speaking its probably doing 6-7l/100km. The engine is 1.6l after all. Next time i need to use petrol only I'll keep an eye on it and let you know.

Thanks


What way does it work after the battery is drained? does it kick back into battery mode at all or just run totally from the petrol engine?

daheff

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Thanks


What way does it work after the battery is drained? does it kick back into battery mode at all or just run totally from the petrol engine?

Petrol seems to kick in when the battery is around 20% (tells you range goes to about 0). Petrol engine charges the battery as well as moving the car, so you find the battery kicking back in as you reduce speed /in traffic. Its not so noticeable for passengers (but you do get used to no engine vibrations, so when it happens you do feel it).

I found that the battery then goes below the 20% ...I think it went as low as 12% afterwards.

daheff

So did 25km on petrol engine yesterday. Mainly 70/80km av speed (with cabin heater on).


Starting battery full range 58km
Starting petrol range 498km


finishing battery range 40km
Finishing petrol range 473km.

Petrol usage swung between 2.7l/100km and 3.4l/100km (finishing point).

As I had a full battery when starting makes me wonder how much more petrol would have been used if i had an empty battery to start with.

unkel

So you used up 25km petrol range PLUS 18km electric range to cover 25km at low speeds?

daheff

unkel wrote: »

So you used up 25km petrol range PLUS 18km electric range to cover 25km at low speeds?

yep.

unkel

That doesn't sound great. Wonder what happened there. No switching on heating to high or driving like a maniac or something like that after taking the original range readings?


GOM in Ioniq is pretty accurate when you don't change your behaviour, I'd have thought Niro would use the same tech being from a sister company

daheff

unkel wrote: »

That doesn't sound great. Wonder what happened there. No switching on heating to high or driving like a maniac or something like that after taking the original range readings?

No driving like a maniac - had the heater on (Around 20c)...For most of my driving the petrol engine doesn't get used. I'm on EV mode mostly. Occasionally it does, and have to say i'm not overly unhappy with the petrol usage...but admittedly it could be better.

daheff

anybody else here buy a PHEV Niro? whats your thoughts on it?

mine had its 1000km check today.


One thing I have noticed is that the speed limiter is more a guide than anything. If you stick it at 60 you can easily get to 63/64 before any attempt to pull you back down. Also if you floor it the limiter is overridden.

KCross

daheff wrote: »

One thing I have noticed is that the speed limiter is more a guide than anything. If you stick it at 60 you can easily get to 63/64 before any attempt to pull you back down.

In the Leaf it goes maybe 1 or 2 over but not more than that.

daheff wrote: »

Also if you floor it the limiter is overridden.

Thats by design. All cars do that. There is a kickdown switch that gets pressed when you push the peddle to the bottom... its basically your way of quickly telling the car you need power now and you need to override the limiter.... e.g. to avoid a collision.

Shefwedfan

Limiter should allow that if you want to take over

Same as cruise control. you can floor and then it will go back to original speed

daheff

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Limiter should allow that if you want to take over

I don’t have that with our other car (Nissan note).
Was a little surprised when I was told it could do that!

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

I don’t have that with our other car (Nissan note).
Was a little surprised when I was told it could do that!

Depends on car, I have always got cruise control etc, a few never let me floor it but on the newer ones they will if you want to take over

micks_address

A neighbour was telling be about a friends plug in niro and he seems well impressed with it. Are people getting 50km out of the battery range? That would get me to the office easily and i could charge there and get home..

How is the size compared to other cars? Easily fit a family of four and decent boot space? Pity they not doing 0% on it as might be able to change into one from the Octavia diesel

Shefwedfan

micks_address wrote: »

A neighbour was telling be about a friends plug in niro and he seems well impressed with it. Are people getting 50km out of the battery range? That would get me to the office easily and i could charge there and get home..

How is the size compared to other cars? Easily fit a family of four and decent boot space? Pity they not doing 0% on it as might be able to change into one from the Octavia diesel

They are bigger than a Stonic and smaller to a Sportage.....


Loads of room for a family of 4 but like all these vehicles a decent size boot is questionable. Best to drop into a garage and test them

daheff

micks_address wrote: »

A neighbour was telling be about a friends plug in niro and he seems well impressed with it. Are people getting 50km out of the battery range? That would get me to the office easily and i could charge there and get home..

How is the size compared to other cars? Easily fit a family of four and decent boot space? Pity they not doing 0% on it as might be able to change into one from the Octavia diesel

50km might be a push in this weather..... just. boot size isn't great... not bad but you'd struggle with suitcases going to the airport.
size is good. nice & big inside, but as pointed out smaller than a sportage

Gumbo

micks_address wrote: »

That would get me to the office easily and i could charge there and get home..

Do you have access to a charge point or a 3 pin socket?

micks_address

kceire wrote: »

micks_address wrote: »

That would get me to the office easily and i could charge there and get home..

Do you have access to a charge point or a 3 pin socket?

There are charge points at work

daheff

question for any PHEV Niro owners -how are you finding the range?

I do a fairly similar journey every day. About 15km backroads, 15km motorway. I am finding big variations on remaining range. At the start when i got the car (end Jan) I found I was arriving with approx 28km range left. Last couple of weeks I am finding range is down to 20/21 km when i arrive.

I know we had warmer weather end Jan, but does it really cause this much fluctuation in range?

anybody else have any experiences to share?

KCross

Temperature and water on the road are two big variables for range on any car but magnified in an EV/PHEV.

You will get large variations as a result so I'd say it is expected.

Yesterday, with all the rain, would have been terrible for you.
For the rest of the week with much warmer temps (upto 20C... yippee!) and dry roads you should be back up to 28 again.... come back to us in a few days and you will have your own answer!


It's also possible you are wearing heavier shoes!

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

question for any PHEV Niro owners -how are you finding the range?

I do a fairly similar journey every day. About 15km backroads, 15km motorway. I am finding big variations on remaining range. At the start when i got the car (end Jan) I found I was arriving with approx 28km range left. Last couple of weeks I am finding range is down to 20/21 km when i arrive.

I know we had warmer weather end Jan, but does it really cause this much fluctuation in range?

anybody else have any experiences to share?

The weather....I done a long journey on Saturday. Drove at 110km the whole way and got to location with 30km remaining.....plugged in and filled her up


On way back a few hours later, drove at 100km the whole way, got back with maybe 5km left. It was warm in the morning.....that evening it was bloody freezing and also I was driving into the wind

daheff

KCross wrote: »

Temperature and water on the road are two big variables for range on any car but magnified in an EV/PHEV.

You will get large variations as a result so I'd say it is expected.

Yesterday, with all the rain, would have been terrible for you.
For the rest of the week with much warmer temps (upto 20C... yippee!) and dry roads you should be back up to 28 again.... come back to us in a few days and you will have your own answer!


It's also possible you are wearing heavier shoes!

Yeah I’ll look at it over the next week & report back.

daheff

so i've kept an eye on this over the last week or so. Seems to be that its more related to speed than weather.

For example, starting at 58km range -travelling 33km same journey i've noticed one day ending range of 20 km (10c weather) - Journey time 35 mins

another day ending range of 28km (13c weather) -journey time of 52 mins.


Longer journey time was more stop start, so i guess more regen. Shorter journey was more at 80/100km speed for most of the trip.

Tombo2001

Is this car big enough for 3 kids: age 9, 13, 15. Thanks.