Star Trek Discovery ***Season 2*** [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Baggly

Janeway even ended BILLIONS of lives when she became an admiral.

368100

So what do we think this Red Angel is? (Assuming some of you are actually watching discovery)

A random entity we've never heard of or something we know already?

TheValeyard

368100 wrote: »

So what do we think this Red Angel is? (Assuming some of you are actually watching discovery)

A random entity we've never heard of or something we know already?

Oh we have a few theories in the s2x06 thread......

pixelburp

Hmmm is this really the place for overall speculation? Seems like it's prone to spoilers for those not up to date with episodes but might want a more generalised chat. Hard needle to thread

fritzelly

368100 wrote: »

So what do we think this Red Angel is? (Assuming some of you are actually watching discovery)

A random entity we've never heard of or something we know already?

Going for Tilly or Burnham, think Tilly is fleshier than the person in the pic tho but Burnham is more the same size

pixelburp

At this stage, I'd love an episode featuring any of the non regulars. I want to know more about Detmer, Airium, or any of the rest. Every episode teases these potentially interesting characters, they get a few lines and then the story moves on without them.

368100

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Oh we have a few theories in the s2x06 thread......

Have you the thread link? Can't find it

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057958035

Gbear

I think I'm liking this a lot more than season 1, although that perception is partly down to how terrible the last couple of episodes were.

Episodes 4 and 5 were a little bit on the melodramatic side but on the whole the season has done a better job of threading overarching story into the week by week travails while each feels distinctly "Trekky".

corkie

Section 31 in Star Trek Discovery is Incompatible with Deep Space 9 Continuity

^^^ May contain spoilers for latest episodes.

As I said before in another thread, something will probably force S31 underground. From it's current well know organization in STD.

AtomicHorror

corkie wrote: »

^^^ May contain spoilers for latest episodes.

As I said before in another thread, something will probably force S31 underground. To is current well know organization in STD.

Wasn't Discovery a black-ops ship during the war though, with some sort of S31 collaboration implied? In episode 3 there were S31 badges visible and Michael's random co-prisoners didn't seem to recognise them at all.

Isn't it possible that people who work on Discovery are pre-briefed on S31, sign an NDA type contract and and then never speak about it elsewhere?

pixelburp

I felt like we got a clear hint that there's potentially a rift going to happen between Pike and Leland; Discovery's writing likes to frontload without any foundation, so we had a moment between two men we were told were old friends, and I suspect Pike's idealism is going to come to blows with Leland's 'getting your hands dirty' approach. Probably over the nature of the Red Angel - again that has been hinted at via Ash.

CramCycle

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Wasn't Discovery a black-ops ship during the war though, with some sort of S31 collaboration implied? In episode 3 there were S31 badges visible and Michael's random co-prisoners didn't seem to recognise them at all.

Isn't it possible that people who work on Discovery are pre-briefed on S31, sign an NDA type contract and and then never speak about it elsewhere?

That is the only thing that makes sense if they have no stupid reboot for it.

expectationlost

why wouldn't they tell pike about michelle yeoh

TheValeyard

expectationlost wrote: »

why wouldn't they tell pike about michelle yeoh

He is barely able to co-operate with Leland.

Could you imagine his reaction if he found out this was a mirror captain georgiou who happened to be primarily responsible for the slaughter of untold millions of alien species and uses torture as a method of obedience. Probably far less likely to co-operate with S31+ psychotic ex-empress. He would not be empressed.

AMKC

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

He is barely able to co-operate with Leland.

Could you imagine his reaction if he found out this was a mirror captain georgiou who happened to be primarily responsible for the slaughter of untold millions of alien species and uses torture as a method of obedience. Probably far less likely to co-operate with S31+ psychotic ex-empress. He would not be empressed.

Maybe that's why Section 31 has to go underground because Pike and then the rest of Starfleet find out about this and disprove of it in turn forcing Section 31 underground. Maybe it has something do to with Pike and Leland as well but either way I do think when it happens it will be about principles of what is right and wrong and Section 31 taking it to far on the wrong side.

expectationlost

im not sure why mirror michelle yeoh is happy to be just an officer, is the red angel that interesting?

CramCycle

expectationlost wrote: »

im not sure why mirror michelle yeoh is happy to be just an officer, is the red angel that interesting?

Shes not, I thought its all part of her getting power back. One of thee things will happen, they will either try and rehabilitate her, she will aim to become leader of S31 and kill her current commander or she will just get caught being crooked and she will die.

pixelburp

Well considering there's a spin-off show featuring her, I'm guessing she won't be bumped off anyway; methinks she'll pop up merely as a reminder that she exists, but they'll keep her at arms reach from the Red Angel arc. Maybe she'll have some vital info she'll only share with Burnham, that sort of thing.

Then again, if there are issues of budget though, probably wouldn't be such a bad idea to perhaps stop hiring the presumably expensive Hollywood star for a cameo role...

PhiloCypher

What I took from her private conversation with Burnham is that Georgiu wants to get to Spock first to learn the secret of the Red angels for her own ends. Whether it's harnessing whatevers behind them to become Emporer in this Universe or return to her own, who knows.

Rawr

PhiloCypher wrote: »

What I took from her private conversation with Burnham is that Georgiu wants to get to Spock first to learn the secret of the Red angels for her own ends. Whether it's harnessing whatevers behind them to become Emporer in this Universe or return to her own, who knows.

I do get a bit of a Cartoon Supervillian vibe from her. She's of course up to something :rolleyes:

My gut has her trying to take over the current universe and become "Empress of the Federation"...or something similar... Why go back to take over an Empire where back-stabbing is litrally part of the culture, when it would be much easier to violently dominate a far more civil society.

Stark

I'm starting to guess that at some point she'll seize control of Section 31 and turn it into the organization we see in Deep Space Nine. I'm sure they have some magic tech lying around that can erase everyone outside Section 31's collective memory of the organization.

AtomicHorror

Stark wrote: »

I'm starting to guess that at some point she'll seize control of Section 31 and turn it into the organization we see in Deep Space Nine. I'm sure they have some magic tech lying around that can erase everyone outside Section 31's collective memory of the organization.

What evidence do we have of a broader awareness of S31 in Starfleet though? Discovery is a formerly-secret, experimental ship which for part of its operating history had S31-livery security staff on board. So working on Discovery may require people be briefed on S31.

When she boarded Discovery for the first time, Burnham had never head of Discovery and did not seem to recognize the black badges.

AtomicHorror

AtomicHorror wrote: »

What evidence do we have of a broader awareness of S31 in Starfleet though? Discovery is a formerly-secret, experimental ship which for part of its operating history had S31-livery security staff on board. So working on Discovery may require people be briefed on S31.

When she boarded Discovery for the first time, Burnham had never head of Discovery and did not seem to recognize the black badges.

They just need a quick throwaway line about Pike "forgetting" S31 when returning to Enterprise

AtomicHorror

Deleted User wrote: »

They just need a quick throwaway line about Pike "forgetting" S31 when returning to Enterprise

Yep, it wouldn't take much to establish that. Most of the perceived canon issues in DIS are similar- they could be fixed with a line or two, but I think the writers are (mostly) showing restraint and letting us fill in some of those gaps.

In counter example, the reference to the holographic displays on Enterprise, we could probably have done without. I know it's a sore spot for many, but I never felt it needed explaining.

AtomicHorror

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yep, it wouldn't take much to establish that. Most of the perceived canon issues in DIS are similar- they could be fixed with a line or two, but I think the writers are (mostly) showing restraint and letting us fill in some of those gaps.

In counter example, the reference to the holographic displays on Enterprise, we could probably have done without. I know it's a sore spot for many, but I never felt it needed explaining.

Yeah the hologram is a good call, no need.
A line about S31 relationship with DSC would give us a better view of the Federation we are dealing with, primarily, for DSC. The Rootbeer version or the Siege of AR-558 version. Just good worldbuilding

CramCycle

Deleted User wrote: »

They just need a quick throwaway line about Pike "forgetting" S31 when returning to Enterprise

All they need is a piece about a high level officer getting drafted in and having to sign off on a load of non disclosure. I can't remember from S1 did other Federation ships have any idea how Discovery was doing what they were doing?

Inviere

Pretty great standalone episode (dodgy camera work and binning of the Prime Directive aside). Felt big in scale, and big in scope. Had a meaningful story, and all the characters were well acted. Some pretty nice vfx too.

AtomicHorror

CramCycle wrote: »

All they need is a piece about a high level officer getting drafted in and having to sign off on a load of non disclosure. I can't remember from S1 did other Federation ships have any idea how Discovery was doing what they were doing?

No- only the crew of Glenn would have had any idea and they were on their own track.

The Klingons were aware that Discovery was special in some way, but Kor was surprised to learn what she was capable of when he finally did encounter her. Seems there were no first-hand Klingon accounts of encounters with Discovery, since she tended to leave no survivors.

Rawr

Deleted User wrote: »

They just need a quick throwaway line about Pike "forgetting" S31 when returning to Enterprise

A rather dark thought just popped into my head....what if Pike after 15 years of holding in the secret of S31, just couldn't keep the secret anymore...and then he suddenly had an "accident" with those Delta Rays....

Fleet Guy: What's that Captain Pike? Something about a secret Federation organisation?

Pike: (BEEP)

Fleet Guy: Do other people know?

Pike: (BEEP)(BEEP)

Fleet Guy: What else can you tell me?

Pike: (BEEP)

Fleet Guy: Erm....alright....

pixelburp

So, remember all that waffle above about Discovery being a flop, ready for the chop?

The voyages of Star Trek: Discovery will continue into a third season.
[...]
The series is also bringing on Michelle Paradise (The Originals, Hart of Dixie) to serve as co-showrunner along with producer Alex Kurtzman.

https://ew.com/tv/2019/02/27/star-trek-discovery-season-3/

Paradise(what a name) is already working on season 2, so I guess this confirms her fulltime participation. Not exactly a brilliant resumé, but still. Great news.

Goodshape

Cool!

IMDb also lists her as a writer on 2x09, 2x13, and 2x14, so we might get a sense of things then

That's the next Frakes episode and the two final episodes of the season!

AtomicHorror

Great news. Whenever that pro-Orville sockpuppet re-regs (again) we can rub it in his face a bit. Assuming we can can recognise his cunning disguise...

Inviere

Great news. Although I've had different issues with both seasons so far, I'm delighted there'll be more to come. I've always felt the show has big potential.

pixelburp

Obviously the next big broadcasting question will be if Netflix continues their partnership, and if financially it'll maintain Discovery's cinematic vision. Netflix are so cavalier with renewals it's hard to say for sure really.

FutureGuy

Renewed for season 3

OldMrBrennan83

FutureGuy wrote: »

Renewed for season 3

Excellent.

pixelburp

FutureGuy wrote: »

Renewed for season 3

Late to the party FutureGuy, how ironic read up!

seamus

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Great news. Whenever that pro-Orville sockpuppet re-regs (again) we can rub it in his face a bit. Assuming we can can recognise his cunning disguise...

There've been a few of these idiots popping up all over the web.

Basically there's a small group of pathetic idiots who have an issue with women in computer games and sci-fi shows being cast as anything except eye candy or a mega-bitch.

Competent "normal" women written as normal human beings (as opposed to frail and hysterical princesses) are apparently part of the "SJW agenda" and the notion that half of a starship's human crew would be women is man-hating feminism.

You can spot them as soon as they start using the ID politics terms above. Stick them on ignore.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

There've been a few of these idiots popping up all over the web.

Basically there's a small group of pathetic idiots who have an issue with women in computer games and sci-fi shows being cast as anything except eye candy or a mega-bitch.

Competent "normal" women written as normal human beings (as opposed to frail and hysterical princesses) are apparently part of the "SJW agenda" and the notion that half of a starship's human crew would be women is man-hating feminism.

You can spot them as soon as they start using the ID politics terms above. Stick them on ignore.

One thing: Michael is FAR from normal, under lying theme is that a human having Vulcan Stoicism is stunting for the human

Bobtheman

Im glad it gets a third Season. I like it. Its a departure from the Trek that dominated up to 1990s. The its going to be ok view of the future but I dont believe its that much of a departure from DS 9.
The rotating captains are a pain. I like Pike but I hear the actor who plays him is not continuing. Is that correct?

The other characters are fine. I never took fully to Michael Bernham. She just lacks the underlying charm of Leonard Nimoy. She is meant to be the Vulcan/human like Spock but she just comes across as wooden to me.
Im not gone on Suru at all. The rest are fine.
As for those who regard the Orville as the true new STG-really? Has your head been up your arse since the 1990s? Trek always represented the times. The 60s-optimism. The 1980s the end of the cold war peace etc. The 1990s a complicated World. etc
Star trek just cant ignore the deeper/darker trend in sci fi. I would not have gone with the pre Kirk line as it makes it harder continuity wise but I like the look and overall direction of it.
Nobody gave out much when the Klingons turned out to have ridges and a complicated system of Honor in the 1980s than depicted in ST orginal. Trek is always moving forward.

Evade

Bobtheman wrote: »

As for those who regard the Orville as the true new STG-really? Has your head been up your arse since the 1990s? Trek always represented the times. The 60s-optimism. The 1980s the end of the cold war peace etc. The 1990s a complicated World.

I don't think the Orville is the one true successor to Star Trek but the trial by social media episode and sex reassignment episode are more 2010s than anything in STD so far.

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

I don't think the Orville is the one true successor to Star Trek but the trial by social media episode and sex reassignment episode are more 2010s than anything in STD so far.

I suppose you could say the latest episode has a message about mental health and that is a big thing at the moment too. How you need to look after your mind.

I just enjoy both shows for what they are. Sure there is parts of Discovery that annoy me like the parts of the ship that look like scaffolding really. Was there a need for that? Where does it all fit in? I know Discovery is big but it just looks like a lot of unused space with a turbolift flying trough it. there is good parts to Discovery too do.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

I suppose you could say the latest episode has a message about mental health and that is a big thing at the moment too. How you need to look after your mind.

I'm watching on Fox UK, the last episode for me was the cliffhanger involving Isaac

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

I'm watching on Fox UK, the last episode for me was the cliffhanger involving Isaac

I only realised Fox UK had it on recently had been watching it via the internet. They were very slow to get season 1 so it was a surprise to see season 2 on it so soon but good too.

I was actually talking about the latest episode of Discovery having a reference to minding you mental health via Spock and what he is going through.

Johnny Storm

AMKC wrote: »

... parts of Discovery that annoy me like the parts of the ship that look like scaffolding really. Was there a need for that? Where does it all fit in? I know Discovery is big but it just looks like a lot of unused space with a turbolift flying trough it. there is good parts to Discovery too do.

I fully agree - it looks really ridiculous... wrong on so many levels.....
Possibly an attempt to tie into the first JJ verse movie where the Enterprise engine room is actually (filmed in) a brewery?

AMKC

Johnny Storm wrote: »

I fully agree - it looks really ridiculous... wrong on so many levels.....
Possibly an attempt to tie into the first JJ verse movie where the Enterprise engine room is actually (filmed in) a brewery?

Id say that's it yes but they were doing ok until they started to show the scaffolding and then the weird little ships in the first episode that spun. Its like they are making up the ship as the go along. I did not mind the sensor pod on the ship but these other parts annoy me.

368100

AMKC wrote: »

I suppose you could say the latest episode has a message about mental health and that is a big thing at the moment too. How you need to look after your mind.

I just enjoy both shows for what they are. Sure there is parts of Discovery that annoy me like the parts of the ship that look like scaffolding really. Was there a need for that? Where does it all fit in? I know Discovery is big but it just looks like a lot of unused space with a turbolift flying trough it. there is good parts to Discovery too do.

The turbolift shafts are just ridiculous....don't know why they would show it like that. Can't see how it even fit in the ship with all that unused space

BrookieD

368100 wrote: »

The turbolift shafts are just ridiculous....don't know why they would show it like that. Can't see how it even fit in the ship with all that unused space

That for me is a real fantasy element and a large pinch of salt here, not bent out of shape on it.... Still it does seem like the Tardis at times?:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyTA98J3to