Star Trek Discovery ***Season 2*** [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

pixelburp

Yeah, that fleeting moment made me a bit "wait, what?", but TBH it was such a brief moment I let it slide...

Makes about as much sense as all other turbo lifts taking as much time, as required, to finish a conversation and no longer. Or calling a halt to the lift and not blocking anyone ever

Goodshape

Deleted User wrote: »

Or calling a halt to the lift and not blocking anyone ever

Goodshape

Goodshape wrote: »

Sorry, unless the plot calls for comedic snarky comment

Sad Professor

Doesn't the Discovery's turbolift shafts also suggest that they are using the supersized ship scale from JJ Trek?

Sad Professor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Doesn't the Discovery's turbolift shafts also suggest that they are using the supersized ship scale from JJ Trek?

Again take regard of turbolifts taking different times to get from Engineering to Bridge on Ent-D, depending on the conversation ongoing. Sometimes they were a few seconds, other times it was like the Ent-D had grown a couple of dozen decks

Sonics2k

For it's flaws, I do actually quite enjoy Discovery. It doesn't keep up with TNG or DS9 in my opinion, but overall I enjoy it.

My only wish is that they'd made it more of a standalone, similar to Enterprise. Attempting to tie in with TOS just leads to those sloppy continuity mistakes that get the hate boners going from the usual types.

Sad Professor

Deleted User wrote: »

Again take regard of turbolifts taking different times to get from Engineering to Bridge on Ent-D, depending on the conversation ongoing. Sometimes they were a few seconds, other times it was like the Ent-D had grown a couple of dozen decks

I mean the size of it. Do we know how big the Discovery is supposed to be?

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

For it's flaws, I do actually quite enjoy Discovery. It doesn't keep up with TNG or DS9 in my opinion, but overall I enjoy it.

It's not even through a full 1st season of either of those shows. IMHO, for all it's flaws, at a similar episode count for all three shows DSC is easily holding its own

Sad Professor

Sad Professor wrote: »

I mean the size of it. Do we know how big the Discovery is supposed to be?

Oh right. They have really gone all Star Wars on the sizes AFAIK

So yeah JJ.

That guy, for all his showmanship, should never have been let near Trek. Out and out SW guy and it showed all over the first 2 films.
It's bled into the TV show now.

I assume that Sternbach and Okuda have nothing to do with Trek anymore?

Evade

Sad Professor wrote: »

I mean the size of it. Do we know how big the Discovery is supposed to be?

When they were in the same shot the saucer and overall length look a little smaller than the Enterprise but parts of Discovery are wider so they're probably close to the same volume.

EDIT: I looked up the length of the Constitution class it's only 288m, an Intrepid class is 344m

Evade

Evade wrote: »

When they were in the same shot the saucer and overall length look a little smaller than the Enterprise but parts of Discovery are wider so they're probably close to the same volume.

Nacells are massively long (nothing really to do with operational volume)
But the secondary hull is insanely wide

Sad Professor

Deleted User wrote: »

I assume that Sternbach and Okuda have nothing to do with Trek anymore?

Doesn't look like it. They did a lot work making sure things were consistent.

Evade wrote: »

When they were in the same shot the saucer and overall length look a little smaller than the Enterprise but parts of Discovery are wider so they're probably close to the same volume.

EDIT: I looked up the length of the Constitution class it's only 288m, an Intrepid class is 344m

Yeah but maybe they using the JJ scale for the Enterprise in Discovery as well, in which case the Discovery could be several times larger than the Enterprise-D.

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

Nacells are massively long (nothing really to do with operational volume)
But the secondary hull is insanely wide

I guesstimated the width of the secondary hull makes up for the extra height of the Enterprises secondary hull and all the empty sections of Discovery's saucer.

Apparently this is taken from the size of the EagleMoss model.

It's not in the JJ level of size but still feels huge compared to a "relatively" new Enterprise.

How big are the Klingon ships so???

Evade

That's a bigger difference than I thought. How does it only have about a third of the crew of a Constitution class? I know Voyager did too but that was over a hundred years later.

EDIT: Never mind there must have been a personnel shortage in the 2250s, the Enterprise only had a crew of around 200 at that time.

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

That's a bigger difference than I thought. How does it only have about a third of the crew of a Constitution class? I know Voyager did too but that was over a hundred years later.

EDIT: Never mind there must have been a personnel shortage in the 2250s, the Enterprise only had a crew of around 200 at that time.

How does it only have about a third of the crew of a Constitution class?

So they can have huge oversized quarters like we seen in the latest episode with Stamets quarters lol.

Never mind there must have been a personnel shortage in the 2250s, the Enterprise only had a crew of around 200 at that time

It had more than twice that I thought. It had around 430 I thought.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

It had more than twice that I thought. It had around 430 I thought.

It has 400+ in TOS. Why they decided to cram nearly twice as many people on board is anyone's guess, maybe it was Kirks rate of redshirt death.

Gbear

The opening for episode 8 was, err... Well it was definitely something alright.

Otherwise, enjoyed the episode.

AMKC

Gbear wrote: »

The opening for episode 8 was, err... Well it was definitely something alright.

Otherwise, enjoyed the episode.

I thought the opening for the episode was brilliant. What other show could say previously on and have that amount of time between it and where it continues from but still be able to continue from it and also have that history?

pixelburp

AMKC wrote: »

I thought the opening for the episode was brilliant. What other show could say previously on and have that amount of time between it and where it continues from but still be able to continue from it and also have that history?

Doctor Who did it prior to the 12th doctors, final adventure. The "last time" preamble was a summary of a black and white adventure from 1966.

AMKC

pixelburp wrote: »

Doctor Who did it prior to the 12th doctors, final adventure. The "last time" preamble was a summary of a black and white adventure from 1966.

Awe very good. Never got into Doctor Who myself.

AtomicHorror

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently this is taken from the size of the EagleMoss model.

It's not in the JJ level of size but still feels huge compared to a "relatively" new Enterprise.

The size difference doesn't bother me- wouldn't necessarily consider the Constitution class "new" compared to the Crossfield class. Enterprise is about 10 years older, and not the first ship of her class. The Constitution design could be decades older than that- the canon isn't set. Look how long they used the Excelsior classes- something over 100 years.

Discovery's a ship with a very different purpose too- they mention it's capacity to run a huge number of science programs in parallel. I'd guess she has a modular design to allow labs and workshops to be added and removed and reconfigured as her mission profile shifts, but during war time, labs would have added too much mass and thus been stripped out. So lots of empty space and scaffolding pending the now-interrupted new mission profile.

Evade

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Look how long they used the Excelsior classes- something over 100 years.

The Miranda class was in service for at least 111 years. The Reliant's registry number is on a list of ships in the background of TOS' Court Martial in 2267 and they were still in service after the Dominion War as seen in Voyager's Endgame in 2378.

AMKC

Do we know now what timeline Discovery is set in now?

I seemed fairly sure to some people after S2 E8 episode ''If Memory Serves'' that it was set in the Prime timeline.

So is it the Prime Time line or an alternate one?

I have seen rumours saying it was i n the JJ Verse timeline.

CramCycle

It's in the regular TV canon timeline, this doesn't mean they there could not be a time travelling recon on the season but that's where it is.

corkie

AMKC wrote: »

Do we know now what timeline Discovery is set in now?

I seemed fairly sure to some people after S2 E8 episode ''If Memory Serves'' that it was set in the Prime timeline.

So is it the Prime Time line or an alternate one?

I have seen rumours saying it was i n the JJ Verse timeline.

In the Prime timeline but this Season has hinted to edits to the timeline with 'Micheal's' character: -

Time rewrite to prevent her death as a child.

To clarify the timeline of all of the Talos IV visits, the first one took place in “The Cage” in 2254. This will make Discovery‘s impending visit the second one, since it’s taking place in 2257, and the events of “The Menagerie,” where Spock returns with a badly damaged Pike, happen in 2267. The big takeaway here is that Pike’s visit to Talos IV happened three years before this season of Discovery.

7 Things To Remember About “The Cage” Before Watching “If Memory Serves”

CramCycle

Anyone know when Sybok was kicked out of the family home?

corkie

CramCycle wrote: »

Anyone know when Sybok was kicked out of the family home?

By 2255, Spock had not seen Sybok in over a decade, and wondered from time to time if his half-brother was even still alive. Spock related this to the young Cyprian Merata in attempt to help her understand how he would likely respond if he crossed paths with his half-brother again. It was the first time in a number of years that he had spoken of Sybok out loud.

Over a decade so around 2245 or before?

Quote from: - https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Sybok <<< Non-canon!

CramCycle

So when they are kids, it's not implausible that he is hanging around the house somewhere, there's only 6 years between him and Spock. Just wondering if he comes into play

corkie

CramCycle wrote: »

So when they are kids, it's not implausible that he is hanging around the house somewhere, there's only 6 years between him and Spock. Just wondering if he comes into play

Kind of hope not! Non-Canon (although incorporated into film) character, who baring more time rewrites, can only be shown in flashback to Spock and Micheal youth. Because we know Spock hasn't seen him. In this timeframe.

It would just be confusing to add him as a character.

pixelburp

Huge news...

...


... looks like

The Skant

will be returning later in Season 2. Never thought I'd see that element from TNG return

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-discovery-costumes-season-2/

AtomicHorror

pixelburp wrote: »

Huge news...

...


... looks like

The Skant

will be returning later in Season 2. Never thought I'd see that element from TNG return

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-discovery-costumes-season-2/

I spent several minutes in canon-mode trying to remember a species by that name. Good job you spoiler-tagged it. Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise!

Sad Professor

Which Star Trek Captain Has the Best Managerial Technique?

I thought this was interesting. But number 1 is just wrong and Mount's Pike is way too high.

Baggly

Thats really interesting!

Id agree with the top 3, but not in that order.

Mine would be

1. Picard (although i always felt he was a little too distant from anyone not in the bridge crew. This wouldnt be a problem though, as im bridge crew material )
2. STD Pike
3. Janeway

Goodshape

I guess Janeway has the advantage of being so poorly written, she can seemingly adapt her principals and managerial style to suit any situation. :trollolollol:

Goodshape

I think I'd go:

3) Sisko – he gets the damn job done.

2) Pike (Anson Mount) – creates a nice place to work. Level-headed. Brings out the best in his crew.

1) Picard – obviously.



Not sure where the others would rank.

Janeway – I could honestly never get a strong enough sense of her character. Her style changed to suit the script.

Kirk – too much of a cowboy. If I were an Admiral, he might be a good choice to send on a mission (depending on the mission!) but I wouldn't want to be on his crew unless my name is Spock or McCoy.

Archer – a fish out of water.

Others – Nah.

AMKC

I Would go

1) Picard

2) Sisko

3) Janeway

Giveaway

Terran Empress number 1
Nobody else comes close to being the best commander. Aged better than Janeway too

Baggly

Giveaway wrote:

Terran Empress number 1 Nobody else comes close to being the best commander. Aged better than Janeway too

And plenty of ganglia to go around to boot.

Giveaway

Pter wrote: »

And plenty of ganglia to go around to boot.

More the tight leather clothing management style

Baggly

Yeah but...again....forced ganglia consumption

corkie

Why the Star Trek Prime Timeline is NOT Canon Explained

Basically what it boils down to is licensing issues and discovery is not consider original canon. But is in it's own alternate timeline.

As I brought up, canon/non-canon discussion in the thread?

Video posted in February, so sorry if it has been linked before?

CramCycle

Sisko for the win, my type of boss. I could work for the others but in testing situations, Sisko is the person who I would trust to do the right thing.

AMKC

corkie wrote: »

Why the Star Trek Prime Timeline is NOT Canon Explained

Basically what it boils down to is licensing issues and discovery is not consider original canon. But is in it's own alternate timeline.

As I brought up, canon/non-canon discussion in the thread?

Video posted in February, so sorry if it has been linked before?

I have no problem with that. I prefer that Discovery is not Prime timeline but that's its an alternate one. Its means I can watch it and not have to worry that the Prime timeline is been effected. Maybe if it had a ship that looked like it belonged in the Prime timeline and no silly spore drive or JJ Style light effects then maybe I would have had no problem with it being in the Prime Universe but to me its not.

CramCycle

I have been a Trek fan for 35years, I don't care what timeline it's in. Like every show before it, if it's awful I'll not pay too much attention and if it's good, I will.

corkie

@AMKC That is where things are kind of complicated, Discovery is set in the Prime timeline. So to say Prime doesn't mean original canon.

They are three distinct timeline at present

1. Original Canon Timeline ~ 'OCT' (Incl. of TV shows up to Enterprise and 10 Movies up to Nemesis (2002))
2. Prime Timeline <<< Discovery set in this with changes to 'OCT'.
3. Kelvin Timeline <<< The 3 Reboot films.

So both the Prime and Kelvin are new timelines and products of current licensing agreement. The upcoming 'Picard' show is under the new licensing and will be set in prime.


@CramCycle I just enjoy watching the shows as well, but above explains some questions and puts the show in better context.

Some of differences in Prime compared to 'OCT': -

• Micheal saved as a child.
• Klingon War in Season 1 never heard of in 'OCT', Micheal not alive to start it.
• Spore drive was never developed in 'OCT'
• Section 31 more widely know compared to 'OCT'
• Romulus destroyed and Spock and Nero time traveling to create Kelvin Timeline

The video clip, I shared was a short extract of a 50mins show. There is rumor that it maybe possible in the future for the two companies to merge again and resolve the licensing issues, but that may not resolve things if other third parties have a stake in the rights.

pixelburp

Hang on, so is the whole thrust of this "prime timeline, but not" basically coming down to Michael having died originally? That seems like latching onto a small detail to justify a somewhat flimsy "aha, so it's not original canon, yay" excuse - especially when we have Sybok sitting quite brazenely within this apparently pristine "original" canon.
Spock's family is elastic, always has been. I can easily believe Burnham existed during TOS because they clearly don't get on.

Plus, insert my usual "midnight's edge is a garbage channel" comment

corkie

pixelburp wrote: »

Hang on, so is the whole thrust of this "prime timeline, but not" basically coming down to Michael having died originally? That seems like latching onto a small detail to justify a somewhat flimsy "aha, so it's not original canon, yay" excuse - especially when we have Sybok sitting quite brazenely within this apparently pristine "original" canon.
Spock's family is elastic, always has been. I can easily believe Burnham existed during TOS because they clearly don't get on.

Plus, insert my usual "midnight's edge is a garbage channel" comment

I added the points about Micheal etc, not "midnight's edge", it is Discovery that has said she was saved as child by the Red Angel.
Sybok is only canon because of one film (happen to incorporated him), before that was non-cannon due to novels that featured him.


Edit: - You missed the point about 3 Timelines? Nothing made after approx 2005 is not original canon due to licensing and merchandising revenues.