Star Trek Discovery ***Season 2*** [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Goodshape

pixelburp wrote: »

is this forum going to do individual episode threads again this year?

Yeah, I think that'd be best. Keep any potential episode spoilers in their own threads.

Deleted User wrote: »

I guess this really displays what camp I am in.

I have let Orville build up a few episodes before I go to watch.

Oh yeah, same! I keep forgetting that that's back. Watched the first two episodes a week or so ago though. Enjoyed them! Looks like there'll be two more for me by tomorrow. Good sci-fi weekend!

Goodshape

Just saw someone on Reddit point out that today, when season two returns (in the US at least), is 17/01.

1701.



Nice

Sad Professor

pixelburp wrote: »

Yup, AFAIK it should appear tomorrow morning sometime; is this forum going to do individual episode threads again this year?

Yeah, I'll put the thread up later to get things started.

Goodshape

Ah, Short Treks are now available on Netflix:

https://twitter.com/TrekUpdate/status/1085831162172444672


Find the ST: Discovery listing, go to 'Trailers & More', scroll to the right. All four episodes are online.

I'd watch the hell out of a Calypso series.

pixelburp

Just watched "Escape Artist", and that was kinda brilliant; certainly lots of fun, and felt a more robust story than the vignettes that came before. The twist at the end was also a great nod to I, Mudd.

Sad Professor

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057947411

Link to the episode discussion thread for tomorrow. The episode airs in the US in a few hours and will be live on Irish Netflix from 8am tomorrow.

If continuing to discuss the season here, please use spoiler tags, thanks.

AtomicHorror

Not going into the episode thread for fear of spoilers there, but I just had a look at the comments on TrekMovie.com after Episode 1 and everyone's super happy with it. The normal commenting there is pretty skeptical of Discovery.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/17/reminder-star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-1-brother-debuts-tonight/#comments

There is I think one negative comment which everyone else is making fun of.

Spear

One odd thing I found on Reddit, Airiam was recast, with the previous actress still being present as a background extra.

Sad Professor

Spear wrote: »

One odd thing I found on Reddit, Airiam was recast, with the previous actress still being present as a background extra.

Probably thought she was wasted under all that makeup. I suggested before that they might not be able to do much with that character due to the prosthetics inhibiting the ability of the actor to emote, as it did with the Klingons last season.

flazio

Anyone who hasn't seen the Short Treks, they are on Netflix in the Star Trek: Discovery section under trailers and more.

tromtipp

Does anyone know at what stage Berg and Harberts go replaced as showrunners? Was it part way through making season 2, which might give a change at that stage, or later, during editing?

Sad Professor

tromtipp wrote: »

Does anyone know at what stage Berg and Harberts go replaced as showrunners? Was it part way through making season 2, which might give a change at that stage, or later, during editing?

They were fired during filming of episode 5.

tromtipp

Interesting, thanks. I wonder will we notice any difference.

Sad Professor

tromtipp wrote: »

Interesting, thanks. I wonder will we notice any difference.

I doubt it. They apparently weren't fired for creative reasons but for budget over-runs and abusive behaviour. Kurtzman has being overseeing the show since the first season. He directed the first episode of season 2 and his fingerprints are all over that episode's script despite not being credited as a writer. He was always going to be more involved this season what with his film directing career being in tatters after The Mummy.

AMKC

So I just finished watching episode 5 of the Orville and I know some people like it and some don't but I am watching both shows. Its a really good episode too and goes to show why some things in Star Trek are right namely a certain directive even do it gets broke sometimes. The Union has a different view but I would say after this episode they might be reviewing it. The episode is really good oh and there is a new security officer too who I have to say I like.

fritzelly

AMKC wrote: »

So I just finished watching episode 5 of the Orville and I know some people like it and some don't but I am watching both shows. Its a really good episode too and goes to show why some things in Star Trek are right namely a certain directive even do it gets broke sometimes. The Union has a different view but I would say after this episode they might be reviewing it. The episode is really good oh and there is a new security officer too who I have to say I like.

OK Orville fanboi, multiple repeating of the same post is creepy

Optimus Prime

Love the Orville too , though the first two episodes about Bortis where brutal this year. What where they thinking.

The last one where the captain goes off in the shuttle was great. Haven’t seen the latest yet.

Dufflecoat Fanny

I've had enough of Discovery, I just quit halfway through the latest episode there. They should have called it Star Trek PC propaganda.

a_squirrelman

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

I've had enough of Discovery, I just quit halfway through the latest episode there. They should have called it Star Trek PC propaganda.

Huh? Care to elaborate?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Episode 2 was pretty good I thought. Back to trekking Trek rather than war Trek.

AMKC

fritzelly wrote: »

OK Orville fanboi, multiple repeating of the same post is creepy

What can I say. I decided I would watch Discovery first as I thought it would be another Trek Wars and not Star Trek but for once they actually got it right so I was in a good mood and then the Orville episode was brilliant too so just wanting to get it out there. They humour was nicely done too nothing to stupid or vulgar and not overdone either in it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

I like them both but, boy, the first two episodes of Orville season 2 stank the room.

Better now though.

Sonics2k

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

I've had enough of Discovery, I just quit halfway through the latest episode there. They should have called it Star Trek PC propaganda.

Yeah yeah yeah, I know we don't feed the troll.

Star Trek has literally always been extremely liberal and PC. Or do you just have an issue with the a largely female cast this time around?

pixelburp

Complaining about Trek being PC is like moaning about Game of Thrones having too much politcal intrigue, or that those MCU films have too many superheros. It's a an... interesting opinion, I'll say that.

Evade

I think it's not that STD is inherently any more progressive than previous Treks, for their time at least, but there's a lot of Star Trek adjacent stuff, interviews, articles, etc, that are very preachy and self congratulatory for doing something that's not even that impressive and I think a lot of people find that off putting.

pixelburp

Evade wrote: »

I think it's not that STD is inherently any more progressive than previous Treks, for their time at least, but there's a lot of Star Trek adjacent stuff, interviews, articles, etc, that are very preachy and self congratulatory for doing something that's not even that impressive and I think a lot of people find that off putting.

Which may all be true, but it isn't remotely apparent in the end show, so why even let it dictate ones loves or loathings?

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Which may all be true, but it isn't remotely apparent in the end show, so why even let it dictate ones loves or loathings?

Because it's almost inescapable, one way or the other. Most sites that cover sci-fi put out the self congratulatory preachy articles and a few put out articles complaining about the self congratulatory articles. Even at that I try not to let it colour my opinion of STD, it has enough of its own flaws as it is.

pixelburp

Evade wrote: »

Because it's almost inescapable, one way or the other. Most sites that cover sci-fi put out the self congratulatory preachy articles and a few put out articles complaining about the self congratulatory articles. Even at that I try not to let it colour my opinion of STD, it has enough of its own flaws as it is.

Reading back, the user that sparked this seemed to be talking explicitly about the episodes content, not the zeitgeist surrounding it, so it's all conjecture either way.

Kiith

We need a different acronym then STD for this :P

Kiith

Kiith wrote: »

We need a different acronym then STD for this :P

What's wrong with Standard?

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's wrong with Standard?

Space Herpes

Goodshape

Kiith wrote: »

We need a different acronym then STD for this :P

The official acronym is DSC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Star_Trek_abbreviations

TheValeyard

Goodshape wrote: »

The official acronym is DSC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Star_Trek_abbreviations

I'd love a new SeaQuest show.

Or was that DSV?

One thing that stood out to me though, about how they were in awe of Enterprise and acting as if it's just out of the shipyards

At this stage 1701 is at least 5 years old no? Pike was second captain, after Robert April.

pixelburp

Wouldn't it have been on its 5 year mission, ergo not many on Discovery would have seen the ship. IIRC there was a conversation that touched on Pike's frustration that he wasn't allowed return Enterprise to Federation space to help with the Klingon war...

Goodshape

Deleted User wrote: »

One thing that stood out to me though, about how they were in awe of Enterprise and acting as if it's just out of the shipyards

At this stage 1701 is at least 5 years old no? Pike was second captain, after Robert April.

It kinda went both ways though. The DSC crew were in awe of the Enterprise and I think the Constellation class was mentioned in passing during season one as being pretty great, so it must be a well known and revered ship/class.

But the Enterprise crew were also commenting how new and shiny Discovery was as they were walking through it in S02E01.

Mutual respect

AMKC

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

I'd love a new SeaQuest show.

Or was that DSV?

I loved a new Sliders show.

SeaQuest was really good until they decided to go off world do then it just got silly.

AMKC

pixelburp wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been on its 5 year mission, ergo not many on Discovery would have seen the ship. IIRC there was a conversation that touched on Pike's frustration that he wasn't allowed return Enterprise to Federation space to help with the Klingon war...

Yes that is right and it was pointed out that they would not have made in back in time anyway because they were so far out.

Evade

The in universe reverence for the Enterprise did seem a little odd. It always struck me that it was just another ship during TOS.

fritzelly

Evade wrote: »

The in universe reverence for the Enterprise did seem a little odd. It always struck me that it was just another ship during TOS.

My thoughts too, they went a bit gaga when the Discovery is in a way more advanced

Rawr

fritzelly wrote: »

My thoughts too, they went a bit gaga when the Discovery is in a way more advanced

Although not officially cannon, Axinar does suggest that the Consitiution Class was developed as a highly powerful Heavy Cruiser for use in war. Referring to Enterprise as "a measure of last resort" kind of feels like them backing up this idea...that Enterprise and her sisters were designed as Klingon-killers which they were saving for a last-ditch defense of the Federation home-worlds.

This is all quessing, I have nothing to back it up really...

My old Joseph Franz Star Fleet Technical Manual (which is also on shaky canon ground) also listed the Constitution Class as a "Class 1 Heavy Cruiser", which seems to suggest its usefulness in war (all of the ships get a military classification in that book though...)



I get the feeling that Discovery is only more advanced than Enterprise in respect to its Spor Drive. Other than that, Enterprise is possibly far more powerful / advanced overall, thus the admiration those people have for it.

No it makes sense seeing as, even in Kirk's tenure, it was a Klingon (and Romulan) beater.

They kinda fecked up the Klingon war though. Klingons were never shown to be THAT powerful before. Hell the Vulcans were able to handle them on their own

PhiloCypher

Evade wrote: »

The in universe reverence for the Enterprise did seem a little odd. It always struck me that it was just another ship during TOS.

How many ships do star fleet send out on these 5 year deep space missions. Not a whole lot I'd wager. Starfleet and the federation are all about exploring new worlds and new civilisations so I'd imagine the ships and crews that get to go on these missions are treated with an element of reverence and jealousy by the rest of the fleet who get stuck with escort or border duty in known space.

Evade

PhiloCypher wrote: »

How many ships do star fleet send out on these 5 year deep space missions. Not a whole lot I'd wager. Starfleet and the federation are all about exploring new worlds and new civilisations so I'd imagine the ships and crews that get to go on these missions are treated with an element of reverence and jealousy by the rest of the fleet who get stuck with escort or border duty in known space.

It's possible but I don't ever remember seeing it in TOS and because of budgetary reasons almost every other starship seen in TOS was also a Constitution Class so they're relatively common.

All the ships destroyed by the M-5 were Constitution class, in "the Ultimate Computer"
The Constellation was another in "The Doomsday Machine"

Budgetary reasons or no, there were loads of examples, onscreen, of that class

Goodshape

https://twitter.com/jasonsfolly/status/1090574395326820352

pixelburp

By all accounts Pike is killing it so far. A really classic Trek captain. I really wouldn't be surprised if he either gets his own show, or takes over the lead of Discovery.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

By all accounts Pike is killing it so far. A really classic Trek captain. I really wouldn't be surprised if he either gets his own show, or takes over the lead of Discovery.

Hard to be lead of Discovery when he's meant to be captaining Enterprise

CramCycle

Deleted User wrote: »

Hard to be lead of Discovery when he's meant to be captaining Enterprise

Suppose it is always the main issue with same universe stories that predate the other shows, with characters from earlier shows, there is no real fear, except for someone bull****ting a story that anything terrible will ever happen to them.

A prime example has already occurred without spoiling it, there is no fear or concern for characters like Pike or Spock, therefore having them as main characters takes away alot of risk.