Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

ShowMeTheCash

drugstore cowboy wrote: »

I don't remember this level of outrage in a case that recently happened in this country concerning a Cork girl who claimed she was raped on a rappers tour bus by a couple of roadies. It was a pretty heavy case with reports of girls begging/fighting to be let on the bus, drugs openly being taken in a well known Cork nightclub by the rapper and crew, the crew picking which women were brought onto the bus after the club closed, I believe each guy brought 2 girls on the bus and there's a lot of similarities to the belfast case and the whole bus party sounds pretty debauched.

I'm struggling to grasp why that case was left alone by them and this one isn't? I know the likes of LON complain about white men a lot so did they decide it was best not to protest that case and get stuck into this one?

Genuinely wonder.

I think the main reason is, it happened in a different country!
In Ireland the defendants only get named if found guilty, so in reality if this happened in Ireland. We would not of heard about it unless it was leaked.

SleetAndSnow

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Have you ever wanted to be gangbanged in every hole?

PORN IS NOT REAL!!!

And is another problem. It gives men violent norms if how to treat women.

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

Because, like them, she was drunk and generally being drunk has a big effect on your emotions, which can swing drastically from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Also you don't know what people like, some people may like being 'gangbanged in every hole' while others don't. Nobodys the same.

SAMTALK

Sidebaro wrote: »

It's borderline impossible to see all the media attention, realise it's about a rape case, and not know the verdict.

But do you not get that the protesters believe it was the wrong verdict and that these men are guilty??

backspin.

I see Paddy Jackson is suing Aodhan O'Riordan for that tweet.

seamus

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

That's the same argument as, "Why didn't she fight back if she didn't want it".

You cannot infer a state of mind from someone's actions. It's possible to consent to an act, but be overcome immediately with regret afterwards. Plenty of people do, and they've only had sex with one person.

The presence of alcohol means that wild swings into hysterical crying or unreasonable anger are far more likely than if you're sober.

Sidebaro

SAMTALK wrote:

But do you not get that the protesters believe it was the wrong verdict and that these men are guilty??

I do. I'm not sure what that has to do with it. If anything, it strengthens my point? Why would a perceived miscarriage of justice inspire someone to try to lie to win?

C__MC

Heard Jackson will sue the labour senator over alleged tweet, rightly so.

drugstore cowboy

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

I think the main reason is, it happened in a different country!
In Ireland the defendants only get named if found guilty, so in reality if this happened in Ireland. We would not of heard about it unless it was leaked.

They were not named in the rap bus case but it was reported on every day with radio silence from the feminists. I wonder why, I really do. Almost as if middle class white men are fair game?

freshpopcorn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Have you ever wanted to be gangbanged in every hole?

PORN IS NOT REAL!!!

And is another problem. It gives men violent norms if how to treat women.

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

Some men and women are very open to doing things sexually.
People often do things and can have regrets/feel upset after words.

super_furry

C__MC wrote: »

Heard Jackson will sue the labour senator over alleged tweet, rightly so.

Not quite. He's issued "pre-action libel correspondence", which I'd take to be a 'retract those remarks or we'll sue'. Although I could be well off the mark.

It'd be a very interesting case. In which jurisdiction would it be held and what would Jackson actually sue for? Aodhán Ó Riordáin's 'I believe her' seems to be the strongest part of his statement and is Jackson therefore going to sue the thousands of people who turned up to march during the week?

wexie

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Have you ever wanted to be gangbanged in every hole?

PORN IS NOT REAL!!!

And is another problem. It gives men violent norms if how to treat women.

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

Me personally? Well no...I have felt neither the need to be a gangbanger nor a gangbangee.....

That's not to say it doesn't happen though. My wife was at a hen party recently where one of the (married) bridesmaids disappeared fairly early on in the evening. Turned out later (by her own admission) she went to have her 'nose powdered' and her 'fancies tickled' by 4 random lads in a different hotel

And this is a woman who's married with kids, if you saw her at the school pickup you wouldn't look at her twice.

Now I don't know how common this is but it does happen.

freshpopcorn

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Men don't have any interest in women who won't put out for them. That goes without saying.

I find men boring because they generally approach women solely on that basis and with the kind of infantile talk witnessed in those text messages.

If a woman wants a "partner" she has to put up with this cr@p at the early stages.

You clearly don't know any men that I know or are lost in a social media world!

wexie

As an aside, can I just express my sympathies for the poor mod(s) keeping an eye on this thread?

I'm envisioning a pretty stressed out person, collar undone, sleeves rolled up, 3 monitors with boards, twitter and various news sites.
Overflowing ashtrays lots of cursing praying and sighing

Beechwoodspark

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for a tweet he published and then deleted.

freshpopcorn

MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

ChikiChiki

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Have you ever wanted to be gangbanged in every hole?

PORN IS NOT REAL!!!

And is another problem. It gives men violent norms if how to treat women.

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

Correction; It gives some men violent norms....

Too much generalizing going on.

SleetAndSnow

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for tweets he published and then deleted.

I kind of agree with them proceeding. Aodhan is a senator representing our country, they, if anyone, should respect court results.

Phoebas

What's Aodhán Ó Ríordáin getting sued for?
Calling them smug?

I'd say they have an uphill battle.

Outlaw Pete

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Have you ever wanted to be gangbanged in every hole?

You're naive if you think there are not women who like to engage in threesomes and the like.

PORN IS NOT REAL!!!

Some is, some isn't. A site like Kink.com for example is dedicated to only hiring women who are into those specific type of scenes. They are interviewed before and after. Lots of female producer and directors work for them. The narrative that porn is this male driven machine which only men consume is antiquated nonsense. Lots of women love porn. The rough stuff too. Worth noting also that much of the rough sex porn online these days on the tube sites is amateur in nature.

And is another problem. It gives men violent norms if how to treat women.

And femdon porn?

(Google: 'kink.com divinebitches' if not sure what that is)

How do you feel about that? Is that okay? Or is it only porn where women are being dominated that you're against.

Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it

Well, the chap that dropped her home said he got the impression she felt rejected and regretted doing what she did. She was clearly nicked at some point and that could have upset her if true. What girl wouldn't be mortified at something like that happening to them.

But the crucial point for me is that the girl that heard the moaning and took a look into the room, seen nothing to suggest she wasn't consenting. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with the verdict if they are arguing their opinion based on the evidence but there really doesn't seem to be anything to suggest the woman here was raped and to be quite honest, her evidence came across like she wasn't being honest. Much of her answers seemed like rehearsed things she had read. It was almost like she wanted to wanted to make a point all the time about how it feels when girls are raped and have to give evidence but yet she was supposed to be the one that was raped.

One of the lawyers put that to her and it she got really angry but it was only a matter of time before one of them did given they way she was talking.

Hoboo

wexie wrote: »

Me personally? Well no...I have felt neither the need to be a gangbanger nor a gangbangee.....

That's not to say it doesn't happen though. My wife was at a hen party recently where one of the (married) bridesmaids disappeared fairly early on in the evening. Turned out later (by her own admission) she went to have her 'nose powdered' and her 'fancies tickled' by 4 random lads in a different hotel

And this is a woman who's married with kids, if you saw her at the school pickup you wouldn't look at her twice.

Now I don't know how common this is but it does happen.

Small world. I was away with three of the lads one night......

paw patrol

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for tweets he published and then deleted.

completely on an aside to this case.
I'm delighted AOR is a knob of the highest order...I hope he gets his comeuppance..

ChikiChiki

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for tweets he published and then deleted.

Delighted. That was an astonishingly stupid tweet for someone on his platform to send out.

OldRio

super_furry wrote: »

Not quite. He's issued "pre-action libel correspondence", which I'd take to be a 'retract those remarks or we'll sue'. Although I could be well off the mark.

It'd be a very interesting case. In which jurisdiction would it be held and what would Jackson actually sue for? AodhRiord's 'I believe her' seems to be the strongest part of his statement and is Jackson therefore going to sue the thousands of people who turned up to march during the week?

Well no. It was over a tweet which has since been deleted.

For Forks Sake

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0330/951154-belfast-rape-trial/

Let the message go out loud and clear, moronic tweets have consequences.

super_furry

OldRio wrote: »

Well no. It was over a tweet which has since been deleted.

Yeah but the content of that tweet would appear, well....I'm not going to repeat it obviously if there are legal proceedings, but I think Jackson's lawyers could have a tough time making anything sticking in court having seen the tweet myself.

Appledreams15

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Some men and women are very open to doing things sexually.
People often do things and can have regrets/feel upset after words.

If she was open to things sexually, why did she tell her friends she was raped the next day. Go to the rape crisis centre.

How does that make any sense?

This country has a problem with rape.

Reati

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for tweets he published and then deleted.

After so many celebrities in the internet age have pursued similar action which then keeps the story fresh in the news, further galvanizes opinion and ultimately won't do his reputation any favours, you'd think people would learn to just keep the head down and let it blow over. Pick your battles like.

Fann Linn

backspin. wrote: »

I see Paddy Jackson is suing Aodhan O'Riordan for that tweet.

Lovely.

Hoboo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Much of her answers seemed like rehearsed things she had read. It was almost like she wanted to wanted to make a point all the time about how it feels when girls are raped and have to give evidence but yet she was supposed to be the one that was raped.

Thought this was crucial in the early stages. Talking in the third person like she had read up on victims accounts.

"You freeze when you're being raped". Not, "I froze". "You dont know what to do in that situation". Not, "I didn't know what to do".

And then two minutes after it was put to her, she was asked another question, and she did it again.

Appledreams15

Dara said about the moaning ' I dont know if I would describe it as sexual'.

_Dara_

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0330/951154-belfast-rape-trial/

Let the message go out loud and clear, moronic tweets have consequences.

Yes, I did wonder if something like that would happen.

For Forks Sake

_Dara_ wrote: »

Yes, I did wonder if something like that would happen.

And stupid and all as O'Riordans tweet was, it was nowhere near the most defamatory thing I've seen this week regarding the case.

CPTM

Hearing about the senator getting sued for his words gave me a thought. Does this mean the legal system has decided the defendant lied under oath, and therefore could take actions to prosecute? If not, surely it downgrades their confidence in the decision made?

JMNolan

Reati wrote: »

After so many celebrities in the internet age have pursued similar action which then keeps the story fresh in the news, further galvanizes opinion and ultimately won't do his reputation any favours, you'd think people would learn to just keep the head down and let it blow over. Pick your battles like.

Suppose people don't like being publicly called rapists after they have been found not guilty of rape

Mutant z

This is great news Aedhan O Riordain is getting his ass sued by Paddy Jackson it couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

razorblunt

GreeBo wrote: »

No, in NI rape requires a penis.

Ah I stand corrected.
Not like that!

Fann Linn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Dara said about the moaning ' I dont know if I would describe it as sexual'.

Is that the same Dara who also reckoned your wan wasn't been raped?

Appledreams15

What did the tweet say? Or is it gone forever

freshpopcorn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

If she was open to things sexually, why did she tell her friends she was raped the next day. Go to the rape crisis centre.

How does that make any sense?

This country has a problem with rape.

Well for starters it happened in the UK so I take it your referring to the UK.

You said this in the post that I was replying to.

''Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it''

Just in my experiences I have met men and women who were upset after sex the next morning. It doesn't mean they were raped tough.

wexie

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What did the tweet say? Or is it gone forever

Even if it isn't I'd imagine it's not something that needs to be repeated on Boards what with impending litigation and such

C__MC

For Forks Sake wrote: »

And stupid and all as O'Riordans tweet was, it was nowhere near the most defamatory thing I've seen this week regarding the case.

No but should a person of his stature and responsibility be tweeting on this case- I wouldn’t say his tweet was nasty but it certinly foolish on his part considering the verdict. The last line I thought was quite low from o riordan in it, really low

super_furry

Appledreams15 wrote: »

What did the tweet say? Or is it gone forever

You'll find it easily enough on Twitter. It didn't say anything that thousands of other people had already said and there was actually a hell of a lot worse put out there by others.

At a guess, I'd imagine that Jackson's lawyers are going after O'Riordan because of his profile and to scare others into shutting up. Given the nature of the tweet and it's content, I don't think it would stand up in court at all for the Jackson side.

Appledreams15

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well for starters it happened in the UK so I take it your referring to the UK.

You said this in the post is was replying to.

''Why was she crying and hysterical after it if she wanted it''

Just in my experiences I have met men and women who were upset after sex the next morning. It doesn't mean they were raped tough.

I have never been upset after sex the morning after. I certainly wouldnt put myself through 9 weeks of a trial after sex that I wanted.
Why do you think she was injured with the laceration?

Outlaw Pete

Lunacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AO9C87mmYk

Stonedpilot

Do any of these "I believe her protestors have lives or jobs?".

ANOTHER protest on Saturday averaging 1 every day and a half now in last 3 days!.

That Cretin Ruth Coppinger speaking at it.

It wouldnt bother me only they have little to no knowledge of the case.

Just hearsay and a few glib crude sexual text messages is all.

markodaly

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

PJs lawyers have issued proceedings against labour senator Aodhan Riordan for a tweet he published and then deleted.

Delighted, some of these people need to be put back in their box

Hoboo

Heres a link to the Tweet. Im sure its ok to post a link?

<snip>

I'm afraid it's not, please don't post any more links to this tweet. Thanks.
The admin team

SleetAndSnow

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I have never been upset after sex the morning after. I certainly wouldnt put myself through 9 weeks of a trial after sex that I wanted.
Why do you tbink she was injured with the laceration?

Glad to know you haven't, but if you haven't noticed you aren't the entire population and everybody reacts to things differently.

Also, as has been mentioned quite a bit here, it seems to have been a fingernail causing the laceration.

super_furry

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Lunacy.

Indeed. And more than a little scumbaggy for someone to steal a water-marked video from the Irish Times and then try to relabel it as "Feminist Cancer Spreads to Dublin," for some weird women-hating little channel.

Appledreams15

Dodgy Steve wrote: »

Same story happens every saturday night in every town in this country.

Perhaps, girls shouldn't get wasted drunk and go home with random lads? Maybe have a bit of common sense?

So if she goes to a party with lads which everyone does as a teenager, she deserves to get raped?
Archaic arabic country alert alert!
My male friend just said to me, if he had a daughter he wouldnt let her out he would be so afraid. I have also said that i will not bring a daughter up in this country. I cry looking at all these comments, it so so hard to change male views in this country. They seem to enjoy being cold callous and hard.