Vendor left waste furniture behind

Sounds like beer time.

Cash_Q

So many smart ars3s on here. Pi$$ off trolling this thread it's not supportive.

It's the disrespectful nature of it that gets me more. WE PAID THEM 250 FOR COUCHES AND WHITE GOODS and now we are left with a bill of 150-250 to dispose of their crap.

Yes we spent a few hundred grand buying the house but ffs we didn't literally spend that money it'll be paid off two fold over the next 30 years.

We are forking out
2000 on furniture
1000 on a redecorating
5500 on solicitor and land reg fees etc
850 on a new alarm
150 on furniture removal
Etc etc etc so why should we have to spend this money on their rubbish? It's the principle of it.

We're not hiring a van to move out furniture we are hiring a man with a van so an extra cost would be incurred to have their rubbish removed.

Cash_Q

If you're that annoyed then go back to your (very expensive) solicitor and explain. The posts here have ranged from 'don't let it annoy you' to 'put it on adverts' to 'chat with your solicitor'... That covers pretty much every angle?

And you give out to them (and me) for trying to throw a positive slant on it.

Are you hoping that one of us will ask for the address so we can head over and clear it out for you or something like that? :pac:

Cash_Q wrote: »

5500 on solicitor and land reg fees etc.

You were robbed :eek:

Franz Von Peppercorn

Cash_Q wrote: »

So many smart ars3s on here. Pi$$ off trolling this thread it's not supportive.

It's the disrespectful nature of it that gets me more. WE PAID THEM 250 FOR COUCHES AND WHITE GOODS and now we are left with a bill of 150-250 to dispose of their crap.

Yes we spent a few hundred grand buying the house but ffs we didn't literally spend that money it'll be paid off two fold over the next 30 years.

We are forking out
2000 on furniture
1000 on a redecorating
5500 on solicitor and land reg fees etc
850 on a new alarm
150 on furniture removal
Etc etc etc so why should we have to spend this money on their rubbish? It's the principle of it.

We're not hiring a van to move out furniture we are hiring a man with a van so an extra cost would be incurred to have their rubbish removed.

You can get it picked up for free if it is in reasonable condition by some charities.

( I see no trolling on this thread btw. Not in relation to answering you anyway).

Samuel T. Cogley

Cash_Q wrote: »

So many smart ars3s on here. Pi$$ off trolling this thread it's not supportive.

It's the disrespectful nature of it that gets me more. WE PAID THEM 250 FOR COUCHES AND WHITE GOODS and now we are left with a bill of 150-250 to dispose of their crap.

Yes we spent a few hundred grand buying the house but ffs we didn't literally spend that money it'll be paid off two fold over the next 30 years.

We are forking out
2000 on furniture
1000 on a redecorating
5500 on solicitor and land reg fees etc
850 on a new alarm
150 on furniture removal
Etc etc etc so why should we have to spend this money on their rubbish? It's the principle of it.

We're not hiring a van to move out furniture we are hiring a man with a van so an extra cost would be incurred to have their rubbish removed.

Shudda done an inspection. Although what were you going to do, refuse to go through with the sale over some rubbish. Unfortunately you had crappy vendors, happens. The shower went on us the day before we moved in, vendors gave us 700 quid to fix it. We had uber vendors, bell shaped curve and all that.

Samuel T. Cogley

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You can get it picked up for free if it is in reasonable condition by some charities.

( I see no trolling on this thread btw. Not in relation to answering you anyway).

OP is a bit hormonal and I think Claw, Hitman and I having a bit of a dig at each other seems to have grated a bit. TBH I thought the OP had their answer - adverts.ie and a skip but their thread their rules I guess.

1641

Cash_Q wrote: »

5500 on solicitor and land reg fees etc
.

Including stamp duty presumably?

Anyway, it's back to your solicitor if you want to pursue it.

listermint

Yeah if that's your solicitors fees he's laughing at you.


I wouldn't be worried about 2 hundred if the solicitor robbed me like that

facehugger99

First thing most people have to do when they buy a second hand house is get a skip to dump all the **** the previous owners have left.

It’s pretty normal.

Personally I’d just suck it up, your chances of getting it dealt with by the previous owners are zero and you’ll only drive yourself mad trying.

In a few months, when you’re settled in, this won’t seem like the big deal it does now.

It's really not worth the stress OP. Take it on the chin and put it down to experience.

o1s1n

It's annoying but it seems to be par for the course. I recently bought an apartment and it was full of old furniture. Just broke it all up myself and binned it. Saw it as part of the process.

I had to do the same thing when I sold my last house with the bins. It's hard to clear out a house and leave bins empty, they just get full because you're junking so much stuff trying to clear the place out. I let the bin company know but I'm fairly sure they were full when the new owners moved in.

1641

listermint wrote: »

Yeah if that's your solicitors fees he's laughing at you.


I wouldn't be worried about 2 hundred if the solicitor robbed me like that

But it probably isn't the solicitor's
fee. We don't know how much went on registration fees, searches, stamp duty, vat, etc.

Electric

I can understand your frustration, the same thing happened to us. After, what is usually, a stressful process in just buying a house, all you want to do is move in and make it your home.

With us, the vendor left a bunch of 1970s appliances, wardrobes, broken TVs, etc behind him. Yes, we could have gotten rid of it ourselves, but to be honest we paid enough for the house and had specifically told our solicitor that we wanted vacant possession to include the removal of all possessions.

We got straight onto our solicitor. The estate agent and the vendor tried to claim that we'd asked for this rubbish to be included as part of the sale, but our solicitor was having none of it and was able to sort it for us. Mind you, it did take the vendor a week to get his act together.

I'd say your solicitor is your best bet. Really they shouldn't be charging much (if at all) for a quick phone call/ email to the vendor's solicitor. I'd also suggest doing up an inventory of all the items you want removed, that way there can be no further arguments.

Best of luck!

Spanish Eyes

If I knew the vendor's new address I think I would consider dumping that stuff on his lawn.

I am being facetious/ironic here.

Your solicitor is the first port of call I think.

Having said that I wonder what the actual legalities of this are, I suppose it should be written into the contract. But what to do if someone just doesn't care and fecks off. I dunno.

Cash_Q

Solicitors fee was 1200
The rest is stamp duty/land registry/searches and all the usual stuff

Yes thanks I am hormonal which I acknowledge several times on this thread

Yes I could just go on adverts or hire a skip but it's not fair to have to do so

Yes my solicitor is on the case now

Yes we did a final inspection ( FYI all the people saying I should have done one despite having repeatedly said that we did)


Boards really is just a spot for bored folk to have a go at other people when all they ask for is a simple question as to where they stand

1641

1641 wrote: »

But it probably isn't the solicitor's
fee. We don't know how much went on registration fees, searches, stamp duty, vat, etc.

It's still megabucks.

o1s1n

Cash_Q wrote: »

Boards really is just a spot for bored folk to have a go at other people when all they ask for is a simple question as to where they stand

It also seems to be a place for people to come and moan about something with no intention of heeding the advice given :pac:

Cash_Q

Cash_Q wrote: »

Boards really is just a spot for bored folk to have a go at other people when all they ask for is a simple question as to where they stand

You'll find boards is an amazing resource full of people from varying backgrounds and with massively different experiences in different things.

Rarely will they enjoy their contribution being shouted down and told to stop trolling because you're not happy with their advice.


Perhaps gratitude that people have taken the time to reply to your questions might get you further along a lot better. I often get advice I don't want to hear on boards, but Im still thankful for it.

Graham

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Since vacant possession is not defined in Irish law maybe you could give a few examples of those court cases and outcomes.

Claw Hammer wrote: »

How do you know it is not defined?

Here you go

What is vacant possession?
The term vacant possession is not defined in legislation, nor is there a clear Irish authority on what vacant possession means.

Source: Mason Hayes & Curran

None of that's really going to help the OP though unless the OP is considering court action to get the rubbish removed.

Pkiernan

Cash_Q wrote: »

Solicitors fee was 1200
The rest is stamp duty/land registry/searches and all the usual stuff

Yes thanks I am hormonal which I acknowledge several times on this thread

Yes I could just go on adverts or hire a skip but it's not fair to have to do so

Yes my solicitor is on the case now

Yes we did a final inspection ( FYI all the people saying I should have done one despite having repeatedly said that we did)


Boards really is just a spot for bored folk to have a go at other people when all they ask for is a simple question as to where they stand

Fair play to you!
Please let us know how it goes.

riclad

The house sale is complete ,
you can take the furniture to the dump.
Theres nothing the agent can do.
If the furniture is in good condition ,put an ad on adverts.ie ,
free stuff.furniture to be collected in the next week.
a small skip bag is only 100 euro approx

ross2010

Havent read all replies so apologies if this has been covered. You are legally entitled to vacant possession and that includes prev owners possessions. In my lifetime i have bought two houses and both times prev owner left behind sofas and sheds full of their junk. I called my solicitor both times and he got onto theirs and it was sorted within days. Best was the mortified sellers with her parents there to help with sofa but id emptied shed full of their crap and told them that was theirs too and i needed space for my own stuff. Her mum was fuming with the pair of them.

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hullaballoo

Graham wrote: »

Here you go


Source: Mason Hayes & Curran

None of that's really going to help the OP though unless the OP is considering court action to get the rubbish removed.

Bizarre that you referred to that article (one of the first results on the aul Google machine btw) but failed to reference this part:-

MHC wrote:

The UK courts have held that vacant possession was not provided in the following circumstances:
...
Items:

Removable partitioning was left behind on the property after a break date. It was held that partitioning deprived the landlord of physical enjoyment of the property.[2]

It suggests that vacant possession includes the removal of personalty.

The case mentioned at [2] is a decision of the E&W HC of 2016. I've read it and I disagree with the reasoning but the proposition that chattels are to be removed in order to give up proper vacant possession is hardly outlandish.

Askthe EA

Cash_Q wrote: »

WE PAID THEM 250 FOR COUCHES AND WHITE GOODS and now we are left with a bill of 150-250 to dispose of their crap.

In my experience, once you pay for contents, you buy all the contents good and bad.

€250 for couches and white goods is an absolute bargain.

Win some lose some would be my take on it and I'd move on and not let it annoy me.

*Enjoy your new home by the way.

** Edit: Id also wonder will your solicitor be told to jump, bearing in mind that you agreed to pay 250 for contents.