Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

ArchXStanton

ArchXStanton wrote: »

The ones in the north,east of the Euphrates

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/u-s-seen-setting-up-two-new-bases-in-syria-1.5977259

According to Gatling,they are there on the invitation of the Kurds but he's yet to provide a link to that after numerous requests...

nullzero

It's strange that so many people here readily defend the actions of the "allies", when they have cited what In a legal sense would be seen as hearsay as a basis to launch military attacks on a foreign country.

The idea of chemical weapons being used anywhere is abhorrent, but due process has not been followed here, any evidence that could have been collected by OPCW to formally condemn the alleged actions of the Syrian government has been destroyed just before they were scheduled to inspect the facilities in question.

The amount of tin foil hat rhetoric used here by those defending what could well be the beginning of world War 3 and perhaps the destruction of the world as we know it based on the reasons given by the "allies" is worrying in the extreme.

Nobody wants to see chemical weapons being used against innocents or indeed military personnel but this situation was on the brink of being sorted out through the proper channels and now we're looking down the barrel of a hot war between the west and Russia which could see the use of nuclear weapons.

At all times efforts shoe made to avoid a war in which WMD's could be used particularly between Russia and the USA as once a single nuke is launched the counter attacks will destroy our civilization and our planet.

Development of nuclear weapons are the single biggest mistake our species has made and we've made some big mistakes in our time.
Not enough effort has gone into decommissioning nuclear arms and more nations have developed them to keep up with nuclear deterrence.

This is the crux of this situation and why so many of us are rightly appalled by the air strikes over night as they don't exist in isolation and are part of a narrative that's difficult to believe could play out at this point in history.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

He's made some serious funny claims about the various forces missles that failed due unknown reasons .
If he's posting ****e like that then a fake tweet wouldn't take much to post

Are you spewing nonsense again post to where you saw that?

nullzero

logicpro wrote: »

Remember ww3 over Turkey shooting down Russian aircraft...

That was Turkey, this is a far different scenario entirely.

ArchXStanton

logicpro wrote: »

Why post links to sites known to push viruses onto systems.

Oh right,changed that there..it's bad enough he has to be told this

wexie

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Like examples, please?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia just dropped some startling new information about the Skiprals poisoning. If this is true this information should be released immediately to the public!

The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to a Swiss lab.

Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

The Swiss centre sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document,

all of which was directly copied from here : https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skripal-poisoning-bz-lavrov/

We're still all waiting for a credible link to this by the way

Cheerful Spring

wexie wrote: »

We're still all waiting for a credible link to this by the way

Read the first two lines of the post for starters!

Do you not realise RT is regulated by Ofcom?

cnocbui

ArchXStanton wrote: »

The ones in the north,east of the Euphrates

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/3/1/russian-official-us-has-20-military-bases-in-syria

The U.S. is building two military bases in the region of Manbij west of the Euphrates River, which is under the control of the Kurdish People’s Defense Unit (YPG), reports the Turkish news agency Anadolu.

Well you know what they say - possession is nine tenths of the law, so on that basis, A Kurdish invitation would make them legitimate.

Aidric

nullzero wrote: »

The amount of tin foil hat rhetoric used here by those defending what could well be the beginning of world War 3 and perhaps the destruction of the world as we know it based on the reasons given by the "allies" is worrying in the extreme.

There is little chance of WW3 kicking off over the middle east. Yesterdays missile attack was flagged in advance with Russia and amounted to nothing more than a face saving exercise.

The west is not going to get seriously involved in Syria who enjoy the backing of Russia and Iran despite all the blowhard tweets of Trump.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Are you spewing nonsense again post to where you saw that?

In your post .

The one with the fake tweet ,the guy who posted the fake tweet,
i checked his claims- there all fake


Imagine that

fly_agaric

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Read the first two lines of the post for starters!

Do you not realise RT is regulated by Ofcom?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/mar/13/russian-broadcaster-rt-hits-back-at-threat-to-uk-licence

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

In your post .

The one with the fake tweet ,the guy who posted the fake tweet,
i checked his claims- there all fake


Imagine that

Gatling checked and we should accept that? Why don't you post something more substantial to prove it? Believe me, does not work

Cheerful Spring

fly_agaric wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/mar/13/russian-broadcaster-rt-hits-back-at-threat-to-uk-licence

Channel could lose licence if Russia found to be responsible for Sergei Skripal poisoning

They're not forced off the air for fake news

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

Well you know what they say - possession is nine tenths of the law, so on that basis, A Kurdish invitation would make them legitimate.

Depending on what and who you believe they have around 10 bases of operations in Rojava from drone operations to special forces and marines

ArchXStanton

cnocbui wrote: »

Well you know what they say - possession is nine tenths of the law, so on that basis, A Kurdish invitation would make them legitimate.

There was no invitation,that part is still sovereign territory of Syria,The US moved in when they seen the Russian and Syrian forces had ISIS on the ropes...all under the guise of fighting ISIS mind your...pity they didn't put that much effort in at the start of the conflict eh obviously you haven't been following this conflict too closely

wexie

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Do you not realise RT is regulated by Ofcom?

Which means what exactly?

The Dailymail is regulated by Ofcom...

I'm not sure that's the standard you should use for what's considered reputable journalism.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Gatling checked and we should accept that? Why don't you post something more substantial to prove it? Believe me, does not work

Go and Check yourself but im sure you will deny his claims-


https://mobile.twitter.com/withinsyriablog?

Fiery mutant

nullzero wrote: »

any evidence that could have been collected by OPCW to formally condemn the alleged actions of the Syrian government has been destroyed just before they were scheduled to inspect the facilities in question.

Douma was not targeted in last nights strikes, so no evidence of the recent attack will have been destroyed.

Roca

logicpro wrote:

Remember ww3 over Turkey shooting down Russian aircraft...

I think that incident was a real test of Putin and what his reaction would have been. It's been put up to him now where in the Obama years he could do as he wanted. My personal view on it.

Cheerful Spring

Aidric wrote: »

There is little chance of WW3 kicking off over the middle east. Yesterdays missile attack was flagged in advance with Russia and amounted to nothing more than a face saving exercise.

The west is not going to get seriously involved in Syria who enjoy the backing of Russia and Iran despite all the blowhard tweets of Trump.

I think more likely now because they west have given the jihadists the excuse to stage more provocations in the future, it works. Trump is going to scrap the Iranian deal and they see that as a threat. Israel will then threaten to strike them. Russia now knows the west can't be trusted so they are going to more willing to look away when Israel is confronted. Russia probably starting arming Syria with better military equipment to fight off hostile powers.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia probably starting arming Syria with better military equipment to fight off hostile powers.

Lol

Like with anti aircraft missles

ArchXStanton

logicpro wrote: »

Except the Russians did zip when Russian lives were lots to the Turks.

They stuck a load of sanctions on Turkey...it wasn't long before Erdogan came grovelling back

Doctors room ghost

Roca wrote: »

I think that incident was a real test of Putin and what his reaction would have been. It's been put up to him now where in the Obama years he could do as he wanted. My personal view on it.

Nothing has been put up to him.he got 3 days notice to get his troops scarce on the ground and trump fired a few rockets into an empty field to back up his Twitter nonsense.

Gatling

logicpro wrote: »

Nah it will be huge blimps and armoured Squids like from Red alert.

Love it

Roca

Doctors room ghost wrote:

Nothing has been put up to him.he got 3 days notice to get his troops scarce on the ground and trump fired a few rockets into an empty field to back up his Twitter nonsense.

That was always going to be the case with this strike..back channels..agree targets etc.. but the Russian jet shot down was ample reason to back his distain for NATO

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Go and Check yourself but im sure you will deny his claims-


https://mobile.twitter.com/withinsyriablog?

OnSyriablog is independent it just reports on events on the Syrian battlefield. The guy was quoting an Orient Reporter who is linked to the Syrian opposition parties.

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

Is there a link to the Archived Twitter feed ?

Don't know the Young Turks talked about this I doubt they post fake news.

Cheerful Spring

wexie wrote: »

Which means what exactly?

The Dailymail is regulated by Ofcom...

I'm not sure that's the standard you should use for what's considered reputable journalism.

RT is broadcasting in foreign countries they are going to be scrutinized even more by Ofcom.

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

Seriously no trail no story.

You have the screencap, nice try at deflection though.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OnSyriablog is independent

Give over its modelled on sputnik ,

Ask him about the stock pile of storm shadows he has

wexie

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

RT is broadcasting in foreign countries they are going to be scrutinized even more by Ofcom.

Yet, as far as I can tell not a single other news outlet has run with this story, anywhere in the world.

That doesn't strike you as a bit odd?

The whole Skripal affair has been quite a big story for a while now, this news would be huge right? You don't think there would have been press conferences, the associated twitter storms and all that hooha?

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Lol

Like with anti aircraft missles

s-400 was only located in Russian bases and Damascus. I believe the Syrians they shot down missiles 110 missiles fired and only 3 locations hit?

MayoSalmon

Cheerful Spring wrote:

Don't know the Young Turks talked about this I doubt they post fake news.

Is that a joke?

Dohnjoe

ArchXStanton wrote: »

The US moved in when they seen the Russian and Syrian forces had ISIS on the ropes...all under the guise of fighting ISIS mind your...pity they didn't put that much effort in at the start of the conflict eh obviously you haven't been following this conflict too closely

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The US and over 50 countries have been part of a broad coalition to combat ISIS across Iraq and Syria since 2014. Also supplying arms, weaponry and training to the Iraqi's and Kurds who were doing the bulk of ground fighting against ISIS. In the first 8 months of the campaign the US pulled over 40,000 sorties. There were also British, Australian, French, Dutch, Canadian and Jordanian airstrikes.

The Russians joined the conflict in late 2015

fly_agaric

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Channel could lose licence if Russia found to be responsible for Sergei Skripal poisoning

They're not forced off the air for fake news

Yes, for not been "fit & proper" [if it happens].
Further down that article it is mentioned they've gotten warnings lately for some "misleading and biased programmes".

It does seem Russia might have pushed a bit too hard in carrying out their assassination attempt in such an extravagant way, and perhaps underestimated UKs ability to identify the poison used so quickly.
Maybe they thought the way the UK has been so receptive to wads of Russian money over the last decade meant that there would be no real trouble no matter how brazenly they acted.

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

Outside Damascus was hit. well in range.

Easy targets with weak anti-air.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

RT is broadcasting in foreign countries they are going to be scrutinized even more by Ofcom.

There's been talk about Ofcom pulling the plug on RT and Sputnik. Don't know if they will or not.

Cheerful Spring

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Is that a joke?

Why because it not some right winger station that John Bolton listens to?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

s-400 was only located in Russian bases and Damascus.

But covers an airspace of 500km actually they cover parts of Cyprus and yet tornadoes took off and Launched multiple strikes in Syria .


Seen zero evidence of any missles being intercepted or aircraft for that matter .


Actually on that not what happened with the Russian airforce last night you made several posts about they were going in to fight ,

Did they get lost somewhere or are they still looking for the American , french and UK planes .

Might have to email the base address to them for RAF Akrotiri

ArchXStanton

Dohnjoe wrote: »

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The US and over 50 countries have been part of a broad coalition to combat ISIS across Iraq and Syria since 2014. Also supplying arms, weaponry and training to the Iraqi's and Kurds who were doing the bulk of ground fighting against ISIS. In the first 8 months of the campaign the US pulled over 40,000 sorties. There were also British, Australian, French, Dutch, Canadian and Jordanian airstrikes.

The Russians joined the conflict in late 2015

Isn't it funny how when the Russians joined the tide turned against ISIS,they did more in a month than the US and its axis of evil partners did in a year...it was funny though when they arrived and said we're here to fight ISIS who's with us?....deafening silence from the US

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

S-400 in Damascus are weak ?

Some missiles got passed the defence system. Lot of them got taken out. How many tomahawks do you need to take out a building do the math?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Some missiles got passed the defence system.

All of them got past including jets and bombers with no losses

ArchXStanton

logicpro wrote: »

Well using gas and Barrel bombs on hospitals gets results.

Look at you spinning there...like a little top

cnocbui

ArchXStanton wrote: »

There was no invitation,that part is still sovereign territory of Syria,The US moved in when they seen the Russian and Syrian forces had ISIS on the ropes...all under the guise of fighting ISIS mind your...pity they didn't put that much effort in at the start of the conflict eh obviously you haven't been following this conflict too closely

Closely enough to know that you are don't know what you are talking about. The Kurds are the ones who have principally been at the sharp end in terms of extinguishing ISIS, Not Syrian forces and Russians.

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

Well considering they are not Nuclear Tomahawks. And military grade structures Quite a few. Have you a link to how many were shot down ?

Well, you don't believe the Syrian and Russians on anything so what would be the point? 110 missiles fired and only 3 locations/sites the Pentagon said were hit. I take it they tried for more sites and missiles missed or got shot down?

ArchXStanton

cnocbui wrote: »

Closely enough to know that you are don't know what you are talking about. The Kurds are the ones who have principally been at the sharp end in terms of extinguishing ISIS, Not Syrian forces and Russians.

You didn't even know the US had established bases in Syria ffs

Excuse me if I take your opinion with a pinch of salt

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

110 missiles fired and only 3 locations/sites the Pentagon said were hit.

I think the three sites didn't just get hit ,

They were Annilated

message sent and received

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

All of them got past including jets and bombers with no losses

They attacked areas in the countryside with no air cover. Damascus is more heavily defended with anti-air. I bet there was not a bomber or jet flying over Damascus?

Cheerful Spring

logicpro wrote: »

You do know what a Cruise missile is right ? 450 kg warhead conventional. Do the maths.

So you are telling me they went and fired 30 cruise missiles worth millions of dollars at one site in Syria?

Dohnjoe

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Isn't it funny how when the Russians joined the tide turned against ISIS,they did more in a month than the US and its axis of evil partners did in a year...it was funny though when they arrived and said we're here to fight ISIS who's with us?....deafening silence from the US

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The Russians were forced to join the conflict because by mid 2015 Assad was in serious trouble on several fronts. They used ISIS and Al Qaeda as a pretext but really they were bombing any group putting significant pressure on Assad. Their air campaign was also smaller in scale and they reportedly used a far higher percentage of dumb munitions. They were highly successful in supporting Assad - it turned the tide for him, but as for targeting ISIS, estimates are around 5,000 ISIS fighters killed whereas the coalition bombing is considering to have killed well north of 50,000. It was far larger in scale, scope and length with significantly more aircraft, from multiple countries