Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

BoJack Horseman

10 weeks after the OPCW took their samples, they have reported.

No chemical weapons found

OPCW designated labs conducted analysis of prioritised samples. The results show that NO organophosphorous nerve agents or their degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties.

Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered

The Western allies attacked Syria on a lie

https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/1015274539373289472

archer22

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

10 weeks after the OPCW took their samples, they have reported.

No chemical weapons found



Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered

The Western allies attacked Syria on a lie

https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/1015274539373289472

Of course the western media will be running that as their lead story tonight :rolleyes:

BoJack Horseman

archer22 wrote: »

Of course the western media will be running that as their lead story tonight :rolleyes:

It was released after business hours on a Friday exactly so it would be buried.

We are in dark times when the Western powers so glibly and hastily go to war over what they themselves knew was a lie.

Manic Moran

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered
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It's an interim report. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1645-2018_e_.pdf

I don't see where it says anything about the water supply or 'normal for a devastated area'
Various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from Locations 2 and 4, along with residues of explosive. These results are reported in Annex 3. Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is ongoing.

So, no conclusions one way or the other so far.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

BoJack Horseman

Manic Moran wrote: »

no conclusions one way or the other so far

Well, other than the conclusion that no chemical weapons were found on site or in any of the supposed victims.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

Indeed

Blow up a water pipe & guess what comes out.

That's right... chlorinated water

RebelButtMunch

Manic Moran wrote: »

It's an interim report. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1645-2018_e_.pdf

I don't see where it says anything about the water supply or 'normal for a devastated area'
Various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from Locations 2 and 4, along with residues of explosive. These results are reported in Annex 3. Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is ongoing.

So, no conclusions one way or the other so far.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

Thanks

skepticalme

Chain of custody refers to the fact that the OPCW collected the samples and had them in their custody until handed over to the laboratories.

The media disappointingly have run with the headline Chlorine gas used which is a complete lie.

The chlorinated organic compounds found are commonly found in glue, cosmetics, water.

The bicycle that was swabbed beside the deceased had no traces of anything.

All plasma samples came back clear.

The 'chemical weapons' sites had no such evidence.

The white helmets staged this as suspected and the US,UK and France attacked on the flimsiest of evidence.

After Iraq and the WMD lie, it beggars belief that people could fall for this again.

2 Scoops

Maybe they're not "falling" for it.

cnocbui

skepticalme wrote: »

Chain of custody refers to the fact that the OPCW collected the samples and had them in their custody until handed over to the laboratories.

The media disappointingly have run with the headline Chlorine gas used which is a complete lie.

The chlorinated organic compounds found are commonly found in glue, cosmetics, water.

The bicycle that was swabbed beside the deceased had no traces of anything.

All plasma samples came back clear.

The 'chemical weapons' sites had no such evidence.

The white helmets staged this as suspected and the US,UK and France attacked on the flimsiest of evidence.

After Iraq and the WMD lie, it beggars belief that people could fall for this again.

Chlorine is a very active chemical, which is why anyone with a chlorinated swimming pool has to constantly keep adding chlorine to replace that which breaks down. The OPCW team were deliberately prevented from accessing the area for two weeks, and even before they got there, some experts were saying the delay was too long and the evidence would be gone.

Alastair W.M. Hay, a toxicologist and professor at the University of Leeds, said that chlorine was likely to have vanished from the site and that any traces found in the biomedical samples of victims were likely to be inconclusive because chlorine appears naturally in the body.

Locals also reported Russian troops constantly going in and out of the sites in the weeks that the OPCW were prevented from accessing the sites.

No big surprise then that the results were inconclusive. Any suggestion the reports of chlorine use were false, are completely invalid due to the inspection delay engineered by Russia and the Syrians.

Elmer Blooker

cnocbui wrote: »

Locals also reported Russian troops constantly going in and out of the sites in the weeks that the OPCW were prevented from accessing the sites.

No big surprise then that the results were inconclusive. Any suggestion the reports of chlorine use were false, are completely invalid due to the inspection delay engineered by Russia and the Syrians.

Were these "locals" western backed jihadist mercenaries by any chance?

skepticalme

cnocbui wrote: »

Chlorine is a very active chemical, which is why anyone with a chlorinated swimming pool has to constantly keep adding chlorine to replace that which breaks down. The OPCW team were deliberately prevented from accessing the area for two weeks, and even before they got there, some experts were saying the delay was too long and the evidence would be gone.



Locals also reported Russian troops constantly going in and out of the sites in the weeks that the OPCW were prevented from accessing the sites.

No big surprise then that the results were inconclusive. Any suggestion the reports of chlorine use were false, are completely invalid due to the inspection delay engineered by Russia and the Syrians.

The OPCW report explains in great detail the delays and nowhere does it blame Syrian Arab Army or the Russians.
Syria was attacked illegally by US,UK and France.


Here's another story of a false flag chemical attack that was foiled by the citizens marching pro Assad so the jihadis couldn't use it.

About an hour after we raised the flag, one of the head co-ordinators came to us with another person and he told us that we had ruined their plans. I asked why. They told me they had released “news” of a chemical attack the night before, saying 30 people had been killed. When we raised the flag around 3pm or 3.30pm the day after, we ruined it for them”

They told me – ‘how can an area get hit by chemical weapons by the Syrian government and  then hours later residents in the same area, are raising the Syrian flag?’. They also told me we had ruined their communications with the UN and that there would be no intervention from Al Tanf after all. The main co-ordinator’s name was Abdulmueeh Hommus.



https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/07/02/false-flag-fail-how-syrian-civilians-derailed-white-helmets-chemical-stunt-in-eastern-ghouta/

Gatling

skepticalme wrote: »

Here's another story of a false flag


https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/07/02/false-flag-fail-how-syrian-civilians-derailed-white-helmets-chemical-stunt-in-eastern-ghouta/

So a site known for promoting false stories and fake news is claiming a false story.


Do try harder ,

A
Like a lot harder

skepticalme

Gatling wrote: »

So a site known for promoting false stories and fake news is claiming a false story.


Do try harder ,

A
Like a lot harder

The story is well researched and proof including tweets from white helmets claiming gas attack are included. Vanessa Beeley the reporter actually goes to Syria.

You probably prefer the BBC whose headline was 'Chlorine gas attack' until they were called out on it and changed it today to 'Possible chlorine', both of which are complete lies in any case.

Sal Butamol

Robert Fisk was one of the first westerners on the ground after the attack and his report on what he saw (or didn't see) ties very well with the findings that no chemical weapons were used.

It was all propaganda and this was pushed hard by the media in the West.

Fiery mutant

Ah yes, the famous Robert Fisk.

The man who's very surname is used by journalists around the world in a derogatory way.

To Fisk - to make stuff up.

Sal Butamol

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Ah yes, the famous Robert Fisk.

The man who's very surname is used by journalists around the world in a derogatory way.

To Fisk - to make stuff up.

Ah yes, he is so disrespected as a journalist they are literally falling over themselves to give him er...awards

1984 Lancaster University honorary degree[41]
1991 Jacob's Award for coverage of the Gulf War on RTÉ Radio 1[42]
1999 Orwell Prize for journalism[43]
2001 David Watt Prize for an investigation of the 1915 Armenian Genocide by the Ottoman Empire[44]
2002 Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism[45]
2003 Open University honorary doctorate[46]
2004 University of St Andrews honorary degree[47]
2004 Carleton University honorary degree[48]
2005 Adelaide University Edward Said Memorial lecture[49]
2006 Ghent University honorary degree Political and Social Sciences[50]
2006 American University of Beirut honorary degree[51]
2006 Queen's University Belfast honorary degree[52]
2006 Lannan Cultural Freedom Prize worth $350,000[53]
2008 University of Kent honorary degree[54]
2008 Trinity College Dublin honorary doctorate[55]
2009 College Historical Society's Gold Medal for Outstanding Contribution to Public Discourse[56]
2009 Liverpool Hope University honorary degree[57][58]
2011 International Prize at the Amalfi Coast Media Awards, Italy[59]

Gatling

Another newly registered crying propaganda


You would think they would have changed tactic at this stage

Gatling

skepticalme wrote: »

The story is well .

No .

Sal Butamol

Gatling wrote: »

Another newly registered crying propaganda


You would think they would have changed tactic at this stage

What is it then?

Annd9

Gatling wrote: »

Another newly registered crying propaganda


You would think they would have changed tactic at this stage

I'm one of the other users yourself and others labeled a "putinbot" when I pointed out "The White Helmets " were not exactly the heroes they are perceived to be .

Maybe it's you who needs to change tactics as this so called "attack" has once again been proven to have very little evidence to back it up .

Zebra3

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Ah yes, the famous Robert Fisk.

The man who's very surname is used by journalists around the world in a derogatory way.

To Fisk - to make stuff up.

Nothing like being an actual journalist who doesn’t just buy into the propaganda of western governments.

It wasn’t Fisk cheerleading Bush and Blair in to their war crimes in Iraq which were based on lies.

Fiery mutant

Zebra3 wrote: »

Nothing like being an actual journalist who doesn’t just buy into the propaganda of western governments.

It wasn’t Fisk cheerleading Bush and Blair in to their war crimes in Iraq which were based on lies.

I'm not sure who you think was cheerleading Bush and Blair into the Iraqi war, because i sure wasnt, and i dont know anyone else who did either. And again it has no relevance to this thread, but sure you already knew that.

skepticalme

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Ah yes, the famous Robert Fisk.

The man who's very surname is used by journalists around the world in a derogatory way.

To Fisk - to make stuff up.

Lies.


Fisk

slang

to refute or criticize (a journalistic article or blog) point by point

Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

Word origin of 'fisk'

C21: after the use of this technique by Robert Fisk (born 1946), British journalist, to criticize articles


Robert Fisk is one of the few real journalists left, most are sitting behind desks parroting each other.

You are the one making things up.

Fiery mutant

And as sure asRobert Fisk turning up, you turn up.

A person who's every post bar one on this site is related to this and threads critisizing Israel.

Agenda much?

Fiery mutant

skepticalme wrote: »

Robert Fisk is one of the few real journalists left, most are sitting behind desks parroting each other.

You are the one making things up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef-an-apology-2331133.html

A link to an apology issued by the independent for fake reporting by Robert Fisk.

TerrorFirmer

Fiery mutant wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef-an-apology-2331133.html

A link to an apology issued by the independent for fake reporting by Robert Fisk.

There is a difference between getting something wrong, and 'fake reporting', as in, to deliberately report what you know to be false (or intellectually dishonest, which is just as bad for a journalist).

The best journalists in the world have gotten it wrong....some of them many times.

Wanderer78

a recent fisk interview, might interest some here

https://soundcloud.com/dalkeybookfest/robert-fisk-on-syria

Elmer Blooker

Fiery mutant wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef-an-apology-2331133.html

A link to an apology issued by the independent for fake reporting by Robert Fisk.

A seven year old link about some Saudi prince that no one has ever heard of?
Surely you can do better than that?

Gatling

Fiery mutant wrote: »

And as sure asRobert Fisk turning up, you turn up.

A person who's every post bar one on this site is related to this and threads critisizing Israel.

Agenda much?

This the same fisk who was supposed walking around without any interference except every where he went he was accompanied with at least a bus full of Russian journalists wearing full military uniforms with insignias the whole time ,

Journalists don't wear military uniforms anyw

Gatling

Fiery mutant wrote: »

And as sure asRobert Fisk turning up, you turn up.

A person who's every post bar one on this site is related to this and threads critisizing Israel.

Agenda much?

This the same fisk who was supposed walking around without any interference except every where he went he was accompanied with at least a bus full of Russian journalists wearing full military uniforms with insignias the whole time ,

Journalists don't wear military uniforms ,

This is the difference between Soldiers and journalists

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

This the same fisk who was supposed walking around without any interference except every where he went he was accompanied with at least a bus full of Russian journalists wearing full military uniforms with insignias the whole time ,

"Supposed" by who? Please go further.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

"Supposed" by who? Please go further.

Actually you claimed he was freely walking around Syrian towns lol

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

Actually you claimed he was freely walking around Syrian towns lol

When?

Whats rarely mentioned is the fact that Fisk speaks Arabic, this makes him a reliable source as he is on the ground in Syria and not sitting in an armchair in Coventry!

skepticalme

Pearson Sharp an american journalist on the ground in Douma also reported there was no chemical attack. Robert Fisk wasn't alone in reporting this.

This was the first time OPCW went to Syria to take samples themselves and have a proper chain of custody to the labs. They relied on headchopping jihadi samples up to this,

Have you seen the amount of weaponry and tanks the Syrian Arab Army have taken from the rebels so far. It's staggering.

The remaining 'moderate rebels' in the south have joined ISIS and vowed to fight on. These were never moderate rebels.

Have you seen the people cheering and celebrating once the Syrians and Russians arrive in their towns,

The rebuilding starts immediately, along with food, and medical aid delivered.

People have started returning home to government held areas.


The US and allies carpet bombed Raqqa and left it like that, rubble with thousands of bodies under it. It is a disaster zone.

Damascas is being rebuilt and life has returned to normal. Syria is a secular country and the west tried to help islamist fighters take it over, but for Russia's help Syria would be another Iraq.

There was no chemical attack, there are alot of stories coming out about life under these rebels and it is described as hell. These are the people the US UK Saudi Arabia and who knows how many others were arming and training, but they don't want these rebels in their own countries so they're all stuck in Idlib fighting among each other until the SAA and Russia get to them.

Benteke

Not the first time the war mongers of the west or if you like the christian taliban attacked another nation on a lie

Annd9

Gatling wrote: »

This the same fisk who was supposed walking around without any interference except every where he went he was accompanied with at least a bus full of Russian journalists wearing full military uniforms with insignias the whole time ,

Journalists don't wear military uniforms ,

This is the difference between Soldiers and journalists

I suggest you listen to the above interview with Fisk as he addresses your concerns about his travels around Syria.

Fiery mutant

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A seven year old link about some Saudi prince that no one has ever heard of?
Surely you can do better than that?

Fisk has as much of a reputation these days for plagiarism and lies as he does for being a good journalist. I admit he was up there in his early career.

But the glory days are gone we you start parroting for the likes of Assad and Putin.

Gatling

Annd9 wrote: »

I suggest you listen to the above interview with Fisk

Is that you cheerful .

Franz Von Peppercorn

The OPCW is clearly controlled by Putin.

skepticalme

Wanderer78 wrote: »

a recent fisk interview, might interest some here

https://soundcloud.com/dalkeybookfest/robert-fisk-on-syria

Thanks for that. Fisk has a mountain of background and present knowledge that can tie everything together.

Annd9

Very interesting revelations coming out about the "chemical " attacks in Syria .
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1210561455977893893

It seems the guys working on the ground for the OPCW did their job very well , unfortunately it did not suit the narrative .

Dohnjoe

Annd9 wrote: »

Very interesting revelations coming out about the "chemical " attacks in Syria .
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1210561455977893893

It seems the guys working on the ground for the OPCW did their job very well , unfortunately it did not suit the narrative .

Wikileaks is not an impartial or objective organisation as they have demonstrated many times. The piece you've linked is their editorial, their "take". In recent years they have declined fast. For example, I've seen them publish a ridiculous 911 conspiracy story that was mailed into Stratfor via a contact form and release it as a "leak"

As for the OPCW report on the Duoma chemical attacks, it seems there has been some disagreement within the team, and other actors (e.g. Russia, Syria) have been quick to exploit that, using it as part of their propaganda on the issue

There have been many chemical attacks carried out in Syria, the evidence has pointed to Assad in most of the cases (typically chlorine barrels being dropped by helicopters), although there are several where rebels/extremists have been suspected

The context for anyone interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douma_chemical_attack

pure.conya

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Wikileaks is not an impartial or objective organisation as they have demonstrated many times. The piece you've linked is their editorial, their "take". In recent years they have declined fast. For example, I've seen them publish a ridiculous 911 conspiracy story that was mailed into Stratfor via a contact form and release it as a "leak"

As for the OPCW report on the Duoma chemical attacks, it seems there has been some disagreement within the team, and other actors (e.g. Russia, Syria) have been quick to exploit that, using it as part of their propaganda on the issue

There have been many chemical attacks carried out in Syria, the evidence has pointed to Assad in most of the cases (typically chlorine barrels being dropped by helicopters), although there are several where rebels/extremists have been suspected

The context for anyone interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douma_chemical_attack

care to provide a link to this seemingly one document wikileaks released that can be proven untrue? If this is a reason to not trust them, then how you can believe other sources drowning in lies and spin that claim Assad had to have used chemical weapons is beyond me

Annd9

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Wikileaks is not an impartial or objective organisation as they have demonstrated many times. The piece you've linked is their editorial, their "take". In recent years they have declined fast. For example, I've seen them publish a ridiculous 911 conspiracy story that was mailed into Stratfor via a contact form and release it as a "leak"

As for the OPCW report on the Duoma chemical attacks, it seems there has been some disagreement within the team, and other actors (e.g. Russia, Syria) have been quick to exploit that, using it as part of their propaganda on the issue

There have been many chemical attacks carried out in Syria, the evidence has pointed to Assad in most of the cases (typically chlorine barrels being dropped by helicopters), although there are several where rebels/extremists have been suspected

The context for anyone interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douma_chemical_attack

Having read through a lot of this latest dump I feel you really are clutching at straws , I'm not disagreeing that Assad is a pr*ck but from the get go this attack just made no sense.
There had been absolutely no disagreement with anybody who actually visited the site that a chemical attack was unlikely to have occurred (mainly journalists) , finally we see what the real experts found .
For them to say that exuming bodies to test for chemicals would be a waste of time shows how little evidence there was and how close we were to another Iraq and fictional motives for War .

Gatling

Still trolling how sad

Annd9

Gatling wrote: »

Still trolling how sad

Ah Gatling I knew you would be back , avoiding debate by throwing around falsehoods such as me(or anyone who disagrees with you) being a Russian bot and now a troll :rolleyes: .

Gatling

Annd9 wrote: »

Ah Gatling I knew you would be back

I never went away



Putina

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

I never went away

No, Jihadist apologists never go away.

ILoveYourVibes

I've met some Syrians in Ireland. Its so sad. The things they must have seen.

Dohnjoe

pure.conya wrote: »

care to provide a link to this seemingly one document wikileaks released that can be proven untrue? If this is a reason to not trust them, then how you can believe other sources drowning in lies and spin that claim Assad had to have used chemical weapons is beyond me

Wikileaks is a partisan site. The piece linked here was one of their editorials. I used to actually fund them years ago before they turned into a ****show

As for the docs the editorials are based on, oh I am sure they are real. But they would need to be read with all docs to understand the context.