Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018 Mod warning post 9350 and 9421

Thanx 4 The Fish

A nice shiny new thread before the big one tomorrow.

Old one here - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057836868

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Oooooooh. Efficient. I like.

Knex*

If we lose, I'm burning this thread to the ground.

Gaillimh1976

Third !!!

corwill

Hmmm, that new thread smell.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Knex. wrote: »

If we lose, I'm burning this thread to the ground.

We can lose and still go through. If we get knocked out then I will do the burning for you..

5starpool

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

We can lose and still go through. If we get knocked out then I will do the burning for you..

We'll have someone to focus our anger on then if you don't follow through on this.

Knex*

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

We can lose and still go through. If we get knocked out then I will do the burning for you..

I thought about editing it to say knocked out, but it just didn't have the same ring to it.

At least we're on the same page, though. On both accounts.

BorneTobyWilde

Gbear

I think we'll actually just win again.

LuckyLloyd

I think a good transfer window would offer the following:

- A top class goalkeeper
- A top class centre back while retaining Lovren and Matip
- A top class midfielder (already accomplished with the signing of Keita)
- A replacement for Can with a nod to greater tactical flexibility (i.e. a player better at sitting than our current options)
- A top class attacking player who can offer depth along the front three

Surplus to requirements (ignoring what's on loan*):

Mignolet
Klavan
Lallana
Solanke

Goalkeeper X, Karius, young depth
Clyne, TAA
Robertson, Moreno
VVD, Defender X, Lovren, Matip, Gomez
Keita, Henderson, Milner, Midfielder X, Wijnaldum, Chamberlain
Salah, Firmino, Mane, Attacker X, Ings, young depth


*I don't really think any of the loaned out crew are good enough. Some may disagree there, but I'm not holding out hope that they'll solve any of our issues.

Five players in; five players out (including Can) in terms of the current first team squad. About the limit of the amount of business we'd ever be looking to do under the current regime I reckon.

yourdeadwright

So for the people saying City need to upgrade there defence who do you see them replacing in the summer ,
Walker, Mendy (who hasn't played ) Stone's, Laporte, Kompany ,the Keeper ,Otamendi ?
I can't see them buying any defenders in the summer.,

yourdeadwright

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think a good transfer window would offer the following:

- A top class goalkeeper
- A top class centre back while retaining Lovren and Matip
- A top class midfielder (already accomplished with the signing of Keita)
- A replacement for Can with a nod to greater tactical flexibility (i.e. a player better at sitting than our current options)
- A top class attacking player who can offer depth along the front three

Surplus to requirements (ignoring what's on loan*):

Mignolet
Klavan
Lallana
Solanke

Goalkeeper X, Karius, young depth
Clyne, TAA
Robertson, Moreno
VVD, Defender X, Lovren, Matip, Gomez
Keita, Henderson, Milner, Midfielder X, Wijnaldum, Chamberlain
Salah, Firmino, Mane, Attacker X, Ings, young depth


*I don't really think any of the loaned out crew are good enough. Some may disagree there, but I'm not holding out hope that they'll solve any of our issues.

Five players in; five players out (including Can) in terms of the current first team squad. About the limit of the amount of business we'd ever be looking to do under the current regime I reckon.

Harry Wilson may be worth a try, Personally he is the only youth I see with a chance of making it and that includes  Woodburn ,
Infact I haven't seen enough of Brewster yet to have an opinion on him

5starpool

Knex. wrote: »

At least we're on the same page, thought. On both accounts.

That you rarnes1?

Harry Palmr

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

*I don't really think any of the loaned out crew are good enough. Some may disagree there, but I'm not holding out hope that they'll solve any of our issues.

Five players in; five players out (including Can) in terms of the current first team squad. About the limit of the amount of business we'd ever be looking to do under the current regime I reckon.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Harry Wilson may be worth a try, Personally he is the only youth I see with a chance of making it and that includes  Woodburn ,
Infact I haven't seen enough of Brewster yet to have an opinion on him

Wilson is the real deal, he has that thing which separates hopefuls from likelys, a footballing brain. The only way he won't make it at Liverpool is if someone ****s up badly. There has been talk about Brewster being fast tracked when he returns and staying as a back up forward - he'd be an excellent rotation option in League games against weaker opposition and a Cups starter.

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

*I don't really think any of the loaned out crew are good enough. Some may disagree there, but I'm not holding out hope that they'll solve any of our issues.

Five players in; five players out (including Can) in terms of the current first team squad. About the limit of the amount of business we'd ever be looking to do under the current regime I reckon.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Harry Wilson may be worth a try, Personally he is the only youth I see with a chance of making it and that includes  Woodburn ,
Infact I haven't seen enough of Brewster yet to have an opinion on him

Wilson is the real deal, he has that thing which separates hopefuls from likelys, a footballing brain. The only way he won't make it at Liverpool is if someone ****s up badly. There has been talk about Brewster being fast tracked when he returns and staying as a back up forward - he'd be an excellent rotation option in League games against weaker opposition and a Cups starter.

Wilson looks miles ahead of Solanke and Woodburn for me,
Although he is 3 years older than Woodburn ,

yourdeadwright

I have a real bad feeling tomorrow,
I think the injures and not replacing Phil may come back to haunt us,
Iv a feeling there will be no Mo , it'll drain our players and give City more hope,
I just hope we don't let the first one in to early,

Harry Palmr

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilson looks miles ahead of Solanke and Woodburn for me,
Although he is 3 years older than Woodburn ,

Woodburn needs to be played as a No 10 not wide left, trouble is that's where Wilson thrives!

elbyrneo

Ridiculous rumour from L'Equipe on Fellaini deal post his contract expiry at Utd. Obviously if Can goes we need a replacement but of all the players I don't like, or rate, he is right up there at the top.

Clearly a wind up that the UK press are only too eager to pounce on. Right?

yourdeadwright

elbyrneo wrote: »

Ridiculous rumour from L'Equipe on Fellaini deal post his contract expiry at Utd. Obviously if Can goes we need a replacement but of all the players I don't like, or rate, he is right up there at the top.

Clearly a wind up that the UK press are only too eager to pounce on. Right?

Echo and various source's reporting Liverpool have said there is Zero chance of them trying to sign Fellaini

daheff

what do people think of todays link to Fellaini? I think its just his agent stirring to get the contract they want. Hes not the worst free transfer though.... could be a half decent squad player... but don't see it being real

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilson looks miles ahead of Solanke and Woodburn for me,
Although he is 3 years older than Woodburn ,

Woodburn needs to be played as a No 10 not wide left, trouble is that's where Wilson thrives!

We don't play with a 10 so he's never going to make it here ,

Knex*

"Why AVB Marouane Fellaini would be a good fit for Liverpool - Kate Cohen."

Gaillimh1976

Knex. wrote: »

"Why AVB Marouane Fellaini would be a good fit for Liverpool - Kate Cohen."

No link ??

Harry Palmr

yourdeadwright wrote: »

We don't play with a 10 so he's never going to make it here ,

We do, it's just been branded as an 8+ (Lallana/Ox/Wiji) or a false 9 (Firmino)

yourdeadwright

Harry Palmr wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

We don't play with a 10 so he's never going to make it here ,

We do, it's just been branded as an 8+ (Lallana/Ox/Wiji) or a false 9 (Firmino)

No we don't we play with two 8's , Booby isn't a false 9 either

yourdeadwright

False 9 is slightly different than what Bobby plays,
Spain played with Cesc as a flase 9 ,Sterling played a Flase 9 the weekend for City ,
 Bobby is more of a complete forward if you ask me ,

dogbert27

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think a good transfer window would offer the following:

- A top class goalkeeper
- A top class centre back while retaining Lovren and Matip
- A top class midfielder (already accomplished with the signing of Keita)
- A replacement for Can with a nod to greater tactical flexibility (i.e. a player better at sitting than our current options)
- A top class attacking player who can offer depth along the front three

Surplus to requirements (ignoring what's on loan*):

Mignolet
Klavan
Lallana
Solanke

Goalkeeper X, Karius, young depth
Clyne, TAA
Robertson, Moreno
VVD, Defender X, Lovren, Matip, Gomez
Keita, Henderson, Milner, Midfielder X, Wijnaldum, Chamberlain
Salah, Firmino, Mane, Attacker X, Ings, young depth


*I don't really think any of the loaned out crew are good enough. Some may disagree there, but I'm not holding out hope that they'll solve any of our issues.

Five players in; five players out (including Can) in terms of the current first team squad. About the limit of the amount of business we'd ever be looking to do under the current regime I reckon.

You're keeping Moreno!!!! :eek:

Knex*

Firmino pops up all over the pitch, with and without the ball. What works great in tandem with that is the comfortability of both Salah and Mane in coming inside and playing a more central role.

So if Firmino runs back 20 yards, wins the ball and we counter, his absence from the front line isn't hampering us. As not only have you the other two attackers who are more than happy to move into central areas, they have pace to burn which allows you to exploit those counter opportunities more readily.

You don't have to have the perfect situation, perfect positioning, perfect pass etc. You don't have to wait for the attack to build, or even for them to get on the shoulder of the last man before you play the ball into space.

Add to that their ability to beat a man, pick out a pass, or hold up the ball and wait for support, and it really is so tough for teams to contain it. Especially when we're on song and up against a team who want to play ball a bit. Add in the overlapping fullbacks, the energy from midfield, and a backline comfortable on the ball, we're a well oiled, fluid attacking force.

City having to come out of the blocks, even more so than they normally do, will make it extra hard for them when you consider Liverpool's style. They need to commit to scoring three times just to level the match. If it wasn't for our injuries/suspensions, I'd be super confident. But even still, it's really hard to not see Liverpool scoring here.

Time to see how far we've really come on defensively, however. As all the things I praised Liverpool for, City are probably the better attacking team. Which goes to show their prowess.

yourdeadwright

Knex. wrote: »

Firmino pops up all over the pitch, with and without the ball. What works great in tandem with that is the comfortability of both Salah and Mane in coming inside and playing a more central role.

So if Firmino runs back 20 yards, wins the ball and we counter, his absence from the front line isn't hampering us. As not only have you the other two attackers who are more than happy to move into central areas, they have pace to burn which allows you to exploit those counter opportunities more readily.

You don't have to have the perfect situation, perfect positioning, perfect pass etc. You don't have to wait for the attack to build, or even for them to get on the shoulder of the last man before you play the ball into space.

Add to that their ability to beat a man, pick out a pass, or hold up the ball and wait for support, and it really is so tough for teams to contain it. Especially when we're on song and up against a team who want to play ball a bit. Add in the overlapping fullbacks, the energy from midfield, and a backline comfortable on the ball, we're a well oiled, fluid attacking force.

City having to come out of the blocks, even more so than they normally do, will make it extra hard for them when you consider Liverpool's style. They need to commit to scoring three times just to level the match. If it wasn't for our injuries/suspensions, I'd be super confident. But even still, it's really hard to not see Liverpool scoring here.

Time to see how far we've really come on defensively, however. As all the things I praised Liverpool for, City are arguably the better attacking team. Which goes to show their prowess.

There's been some talk that City haven't scored after 70 minutes in there last 8 games,
To play the way they do means players are constantly moving and full back cover huge distances is the season starting to take it's toll on there legs ?
Kinda similar to what happens to us, we have 15-20 minutes where we destroy teams and then need time off  to rest, this is where I think we would benefit from a better midfield 3 as we can never really control a game for 90 mins , We lose control when we are not at full blast,

Yawns

BOOM!

garra

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So for the people saying City need to upgrade there defence who do you see them replacing in the summer ,
Walker, Mendy (who hasn't played ) Stone's, Laporte, Kompany ,the Keeper ,Otamendi ?
I can't see them buying any defenders in the summer.,

City need to improve their defence, they don't necessarily have to replace their defenders in order to do so.

rob316

Sam Allardyce: “If my two league games against Liverpool this season had been a Champions League tie, we’d have gone through.
That’s something my critics won’t tell you.”

Grayditch

rob316 wrote: »

Sam Allardyce: “If my two league games against Liverpool this season had been a Champions League tie, we’d have gone through.
That’s something my critics won’t tell you.”

Haha. He's some man for the absolute belter quotes.

Vicxas

Salah was in training today.


Great news

mosstin

rob316 wrote: »

Sam Allardyce: “If my two league games against Liverpool this season had been a Champions League tie, we’d have gone through.
That’s something my critics won’t tell you.”

Grayditch wrote: »

Haha. He's some man for the absolute belter quotes.

As much as I hate Big Sam and as easy as I might find it to believe those quotes, apparently they're made up. But regardless, here's a picture of Sam below. Imagine him making walrus mating noises as you gaze upon it.

TitianGerm

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/983301052626817024?s=19

Yawns

I think he means the long balls from Salah's foot at the edge of the box into the back of the net...

not yet

TitianGerm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/983301052626817024?s=19

Think he meant the are a team with big balls...

corwill

TitianGerm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/983301052626817024?s=19

Utd fan playing for Citeh, interesting.

mosstin

Robertson training today also. This makes me very happy.

Yawns

Salah and Robertson training, Woohoo!

cj maxx

Jayus this thread has flown! Amazing what a sniff of glory will do.
Great news that Salah is training

Knex*

cjmc wrote: »

Amazing what a sniff of glory will do.

Talisman

Should make a cheeky bid for Davy Klaassen - he used to score regularly for Ajax but Allardyce prefers Tom Davies and Beni Baningime for some reason.

Sam Allardyce explains why 'anomaly' Davy Klaassen isn't getting first team minutes for Everton

mosstin

Knex. wrote: »

It's his birthday today. A birthday's not the same without some Coke.

corwill

Talisman wrote: »

Should make a cheeky bid for Davy Klaassen - he used to score regularly for Ajax but Allardyce prefers Tom Davies and Beni Baningime for some reason.

Sam Allardyce explains why 'anomaly' Davy Klaassen isn't getting first team minutes for Everton

"If I had the opportunity to play him I would, but I haven't because I've got to win. So I don't have the luxury of saying 'go on, give it a go lad!' because if we lose it's me that gets the stick."

****ing risible. I hope Sam is there for a decade.

Kerrigooney

corwill wrote: »

"If I had the opportunity to play him I would, but I haven't because I've got to win. So I don't have the luxury of saying 'go on, give it a go lad!' because if we lose it's me that gets the stick."

****ing risible. I hope Sam is there for a decade.

There's rumblings today that they're going to get rid of him in the Summer. Pity but you can't blame them.

kopite386

I think it's going to be 2-1 City tomorrow. As long as we score we should be alright.

corwill

Kerrigooney wrote: »

There's rumblings today that they're going to get rid of him in the Summer. Pity but you can't blame them.

Hopefully they'll pluck another soulless omnishambles off the merry-go-round.

Iused2likebusts

Salah, Robertson and moreno all pictured in training. Important to have all 3 available obviously the first two are key but moreno may be needed off the bench for the front 3 positions at some stage.
Karius
Taa VVD lovren Robertson
Wijnaldum milner ox
Salah firmino mane

Mig clyne moreno ings klavan solanke and one other .
Things were looking a bit bleaker a few days ago so atleast with that there are some options.