Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018 Mod warning post 9350 and 9421

murpho999

Good to see the CL money coming in.

Should have huge funds in the summer and the club should also benefit from it's raised profile in reaching and maybe winning the CL.

Big name players will want to join us.

OwaynOTT

If a team gets to the final just the once, you could say they were poxed and cup football means that sometimes the best teams don't make it to the final.
But, when the same team makes it to European finals quite often, you have to say they deserve to be there.
I don't have enough visible fingers and toes to count how often Liverpool made it to a European final.
And you need two hands to count how many they made in the last 20 years.
Final attendance Deserved.
Anyone saying anything else is a complete loon and should be pitied.

citytillidie

OwaynOTT wrote: »

If a team gets to the final just the once, you could say they were poxed and cup football means that sometimes the best teams don't make it to the final.
But, when the same team makes it to European finals quite often, you have to say they deserve to be there.
I don't have enough visible fingers and toes to count how often Liverpool made it to a European final.
And you need two hands to count how many they made in the last 20 years.
Final attendance Deserved.
Anyone saying anything else is a complete loon and should be pitied.

English teams in European Cup Finals
Total 20
========
Liverpool 8
Man Utd 5
Nottingham Forest 2
Chelsea 2
Aston Villa 1
Leeds United 1
Arsenal 1

fyfe79

citytillidie wrote: »

English teams in European Cup Finals
Total 20
========
Liverpool 8
Man Utd 5
Nottingham Forest 2
Chelsea 2
Aston Villa 1
Leeds United 1
Arsenal 1

Here are the UEFA/Europa Cup finalists:
Total 14
======
Liverpool 4
Spurs 3
Wolves, Ipswich, Arsenal, Boro, Fulham & Chelsea, Man Utd - 1 each

And finally, here are the Cup Winners Cup finalists:
Total 13
======
Arsenal 3
Chelsea 2
West Ham 2
Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Leeds, Everton - 1 each

PhuckHugh

5starpool wrote: »

It'll fit in well with your hurling interests.

Well modern hurling was invented in Trinity college by Edward Carson, so yes, you are correct.

Agent Coulson

Bring back the cup winners cup.

8-10

fyfe79 wrote: »

Here are the UEFA/Europa Cup finalists:
Total 13
======
Liverpool 4
Spurs 3
Wolves, Ipswich, Arsenal, Boro, Fulham & Chelsea - 1 each

I'd fix that before a United fan comes in

EIREDriver

spockety wrote: »

Another thing.. a penny for the thoughts of combined Liverpool/Celtic fans? Head melt I imagine.

I've got a friend who's a combined United/Celtic fan. He's probably having a field day right now. Even more ammunition to belittle and slag Stevie G.

Sappy404

To be fair the question is put to Delaney about the apparent average quality of both teams, and by the time he was asked about Liverpool he made a point about the wider lack of impetus on defending in football generally.

There is that narrative though. If we'd beaten Roma 5-2 again on Wednesday I'm sure the narrative would be different. The fact is, while we maintained or bettered our 3-goal cushion for 85 minutes, we qualified thanks to the odd goal in 13 having led 5-0 until late in the first leg. For many, you're only as good as your last game, and when the narrative they want to push is that Liverpool are overachieving or that Zidane is a clap-hands manager, it won't take much to revert to it despite the recent achievements of both teams.

Knex*

Henderson's Dad, Hender, celebrating at the final whistle.

Nice to see, especially when he had a cancer scare a few years ago.

Does the narrative from any pundit / commentator matter?
Nope IMO, they are akin to horse racing tipsters

fyfe79

8-10 wrote: »

I'd fix that before a United fan comes in

Ha, already did!

brevity

Knex. wrote: »

Henderson's Dad, Hender, celebrating at the final whistle.

Nice to see, especially when he had a cancer scare a few years ago.

5starpool

OwaynOTT wrote: »

And you need two hands to count how many they made in the last 20 years.

Are you like the Simpsons, with only 4 digits on each hand?

OwaynOTT

5starpool wrote: »

Are you like the Simpsons, with only 4 digits on each hand?

I was including super cup appearances.

Agent Coulson

King Kenny was a Rangers fan who played for Celtic and went to be the greatest Liverpool player ever.


I wonder will Gerrard do a Digger on it and bring a former teammate/manager with him.



Carra would be prefect fit at Rangers.

OwaynOTT

5starpool wrote: »

Are you like the Simpsons, with only 4 digits on each hand?

One hand to have the 5 digits and the other hand to count them.

PhuckHugh

Agent Coulson wrote: »

King Kenny was a Rangers fan who played for Celtic and went to be the greatest Liverpool player ever.


I wonder will Gerrard do a Digger on it and bring a former teammate/manager with him.



Carra would be prefect fit at Rangers.

I thought I heard McaAllister was going with ?

Talisman

murpho999 wrote: »

Why?
I think Gerrard is thinking the bigger the mess and challenge the better for his own managerial development.

Do people think it's better if he goes to a cushier number without a challenge?

If Rangers is such a mess then the expectation will be low and he won't be too damaged if it fails.

Won't lose much sleep over it anyway, don't watch Scottish football and don't see Gerrard as a future Liverpool manager

I see it as a mini trial by fire for Gerrard as a manager.

Rangers are the fallen giant of Scottish football, given their financial situation it is not too dissimilar to the situation at Liverpool before FSG took control. The fans have unrealistic expectations and expect to compete with Celtic no matter what. Even when Liverpool FC was on the brink of financial collapse there was a portion of the fan base which still expected us to be able to compete with Man Utd/Chelsea.

The parallels make it an interesting opportunity for him. It might also prove fruitful for Liverpool with regards to sending players on loan.

super_furry

Agent Coulson wrote: »

King Kenny was a Rangers fan who played for Celtic and went to be the greatest Liverpool player ever.


I wonder will Gerrard do a Digger on it and bring a former teammate/manager with him.



Carra would be prefect fit at Rangers.

Gary McAllister is rumoured to be his number 2.

Muahahaha

super_furry wrote: »

Gary McAllister is rumoured to be his number 2.

Heard that rumour but then saw him in the stands during the Roma game the other night so presumed it is false

Utopia Parkway

Knex. wrote: »

Henderson's Dad, Hender, celebrating at the final whistle.

Nice to see, especially when he had a cancer scare a few years ago.

His dad's name is Hender Henderson?

Up there with Neville Neville.

Mr.H

But Gerrard was also at the game and it didn't stop him from getting the job?

brevity

Weird!

https://twitter.com/ReadFootballCo/status/992430945608323072?s=19

Knex*

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

His dad's name is Hender Henderson?

Up there with Neville Neville.

Yeah and his grandfather is named Henderdad.

Nah, that was just me being a tit tbh.

Grayditch

As much as I don't really care that pic kinda did make me scowl a little, I guess.

murpho999

Grayditch wrote: »

As much as I don't really care that pic kinda did make me scowl a little, I guess.

It's seeing him with blue that is off-putting.

That's what it would have been like if he'd signed for Chelsea years ago.

marklazarcovic

Wanyama and vvd made themselves in Scottish prem,I'd have no issues loaning our loanees up there at all, championship can be a graveyard

Knex*

Grayditch wrote: »

As much as I don't really care that pic kinda did make me scowl a little, I guess.

I think it's the tie that does it. Looks more like a shower curtain.

noodler

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Wanyama and vvd made themselves in Scottish prem,I'd have no issues loaning our loanees up there at all, championship can be a graveyard

Never get that logic.

Three teams go into the EPL every season from the championship. Many of these become prem regulars.

Dozens more have successful loans or transfers.

How does the odd SPL success story make it, in anyway, a better bet?

ERG89

noodler wrote:

How does the odd SPL success story make it, in anyway, a better bet?

Tbh who is the last player we loaned out anywhere to gain experience who then came back & achieved much?

The championship >>> SPL.

Bar the euro games.

noodler

ERG89 wrote: »

Tbh who is the last player we loaned out anywhere to gain experience who then came back & achieved much?

Is there something special about Liverpool that means our loanees would do better in a weaker league in Scotland than the Championship?

HandsomeBob

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The championship >>> SPL.

Bar the euro games.

The only positive I can see in that is that old cliche that the Championship will "toughen up" or "weed out the weak" players. Fact is we've loaned players out to championship sides before with very little return.

ERG89

noodler wrote:

Is there something special about Liverpool that means our loanees would do better in a weaker league in Scotland than the Championship?

Considering so few of our loanees do well I don't see a metric of success to measure them by.
Maybe if they went to Celtic they could get Champions League experience which clearly helped Van Dijk during his time there.

noodler

ERG89 wrote: »

Considering so few of our loanees do well I don't see a metric of success to measure them by.
Maybe if they went to Celtic they could get Champions League experience which clearly helped Van Dijk during his time there.

I just don't know what getting trounced in four out of 6 champions league games does better than playing in a competitive league all season.

theoneeyedman

As long as he doesn't come back and make a cnut of the club like Souness did when he came from Rangers, I don't really care. Personally, I'd be surprised if he makes it as a top manager.

~Rebel~

The best loan opportunity for young Liverpool players is at a top half championship team. Lower skill level, good level of physicality to get used to, and for the most part having to break down resolute defenses most weeks. One of the reasons I'd be particularly happy with Neves coming in - Wolves was a great test for what he'd face a lot at Liverpool. Being the clubs best player, regularly playing against teams that were content to just sit back.

Did well enough with their selection of loan clubs last year, Cardif, Fulham, Bristol, even Hull to an extent. Only disasterous move was Ejaria at Sunderland, which made no sense... could learn nothing in that state of a club to prepare him for anything at Liverpool.

Not really sure i'd like any of the Liverpool youngsters exposed to the atmosphere at Rangers to be honest.

Talisman

ERG89 wrote: »

Tbh who is the last player we loaned out anywhere to gain experience who then came back & achieved much?

Ian Rush

Agent Coulson

Robbie Fowler a top contender to take over as under 18’s manager.

Harry Palmr

ERG89 wrote: »

Tbh who is the last player we loaned out anywhere to gain experience who then came back & achieved much?

Luis Alberto! But as he isn't an academy product I suppose you're not thinking of him.

Agent Coulson

Brad Jones went on to win the Dutch treble he had been sent out on loan.

Aapas was sent out on loan and is now Spain's most deadly striker the last two seasons.



Loads have done well after been sent on loan just not with us.

Vicxas

Well it looks like Brighton won't be a walkover

8-10

ERG89 wrote: »

Tbh who is the last player we loaned out anywhere to gain experience who then came back & achieved much?

Origi

Fun Fact

Before the end of May this year Liverpool will have played in more European finals this century than Everton have won derbies

~Rebel~

Vicxas wrote: »

Well it looks like Brighton won't be a walkover

I presume Utd are taking it fairly easy? (not watching)
Their league season is basically over, so I kind of assume their players are just looking towards the FA Cup.

Brighton are also at home today - being away against us will be a different kettle of fish. Their home form is quite good - 8th in the league - but their away form is atrocious at 19th.

rob316

Meltdown in the United thread in 3 2 1.

gimli2112

Brighton safe is the best thing from tonight's result, Utd losing is only good from a comedy gold perspective.

Damien360

rob316 wrote: »

Meltdown in the United thread in 3 2 1.

It's begun but once City won the league and Utd secured their top 4 the season was over for them. You can be damn sure the players look at it that way. Cup game left and it's on to next season.

If we take points against Chelsea, we won't give a monkeys about the final game as all eyes will be on the CL final.

Took their foot off the gas after winning the 2nd place trophy