Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018 Mod warning post 9350 and 9421

Talisman

Demosthenese wrote: »

In order for us to win the PL in the next 5 years even, we rely on United/Chelsea/City to all have - not OFF seasons like the Leicester one which was completely insane - but maybe a 75% season. At the moment we are flat out, slightly stretched and still clinging to 4th with the nugget of Semi Finals CL. Everyone was still a long way behind City ...

I don't agree with this - we've been down that road and it doesn't lead anywhere for us. How many seasons did we witness teams roll over against Ferguson's Man Utd but put in great performances against Arsenal/Liverpool etc? Afterwards you'd hear crap like "Our season isn't going to be defined by our result against Man Utd..." from the manager on the day. Our best chance of winning the league is when it's properly competitive especially so at the top.

Benitez is probably the best tactician in the Premier League and his Newcastle side gave a better account of themselves in their home game against Man City than either of Man Utd and Chelsea. Newcastle are a Championship level team without the resources to hurt Man City. Koeman's Everton also had the measure of Man City in their away game at the start of the season.

Man Utd and Chelsea need to play with the right attitude to give any of us a chance against Man City.

Conte's Chelsea played their away game against Man City without a forward on the pitch - that's a ****ing surrender monkey attitude and was only going to end with a Man City win. Chelsea's performances gifted Man City 6 points this season, in contrast his team threw the kitchen sink at us in the game at Anfield and robbed us of 2 points.

Mourinho's negative tactics cost Man Utd in the derby game at Old Trafford. In the away games against Man City and Liverpool his team demonstrated that they can play to win when the mood takes them.

If the big teams stand up to the challenge of Man City then there is a better chance of us getting closer to them as a group and as we saw last week the additional pressure can change the dynamic of their team.

When the teams with the resources to do so don't make the effort to get at Man City then the other teams in the league will just roll over as we have seen this season and the regular post match sound bite becomes "Our season isn't going to be defined by our result against Man City...".

Another strategy that should be given serious consideration is to give Benitez the resources he needs to affect Newcastle's results against our opponents in a positive manner by loaning them suitable players from the fringes of our squad. Remember when Fabio Borini scored for Sunderland against Chelsea in 2014? It was a pivotal moment in that season and the result meant that Liverpool's title hopes were in their own hands with 4 games to play.

MD1990

I don't agree with this - we've been down that road and it doesn't lead anywhere for us. How many seasons did we witness teams roll over against Ferguson's Man Utd but put in great performances against Arsenal/Liverpool etc? Afterwards you'd hear crap like "Our season isn't going to be defined by our result against Man Utd..." from the manager on the day. Our best chance of winning the league is when it's properly competitive especially so at the top.

Benitez is probably the best tactician in the Premier League and his Newcastle side gave a better account of themselves in their home game against Man City than either of Man Utd and Chelsea. Newcastle are a Championship level team without the resources to hurt Man City. Koeman's Everton also had the measure of Man City in their away game at the start of the season.

Man Utd and Chelsea need to play with the right attitude to give any of us a chance against Man City.

Conte's Chelsea played their away game against Man City without a forward on the pitch - that's a ****ing surrender monkey attitude and was only going to end with a Man City win. Chelsea's performances gifted Man City 6 points this season, in contrast his team threw the kitchen sink at us in the game at Anfield and robbed us of 2 points.

Mourinho's negative tactics cost Man Utd in the derby game at Old Trafford. In the away games against Man City and Liverpool his team demonstrated that they can play to win when the mood takes them.

If the big teams stand up to the challenge of Man City then there is a better chance of us getting closer to them as a group and as we saw last week the additional pressure can change the dynamic of their team.

When the teams with the resources to do so don't make the effort to get at Man City then the other teams in the league will just roll over as we have seen this season and the regular post match sound bite becomes "Our season isn't going to be defined by our result against Man City...".

Another strategy that should be given serious consideration is to give Benitez the resources he needs to affect Newcastle's results against our opponents in a positive manner by loaning them suitable players from the fringes of our squad. Remember when Fabio Borini scored for Sunderland against Chelsea in 2014? It was a pivotal moment in that season and the result meant that Liverpool's title hopes were in their own hands with 4 games to play.

Please don't ever mention this again.

Agent Coulson

Turtyturd wrote: »

Mignolet has one of those ‘we’ll definitely buy him after the loan’ Italian con jobs written all over him.

He could probably drop down to that level and look like a superstar.

We owe Roma for getting Salah on the cheap so loan him there as we buy Alisson off them

yourdeadwright

Mister Gooey wrote: »

Mignolet won't be going anywhere. He's happy being on the bench and getting £120k per week. No other team would pay him that money. He will play (sit) out his contract!

I think your wrong. 
I don't think Simon is the type to sit on the bench for a wage, I reckon half of the mid table sides oculd upgrade there keeper with Simon and pay him a decent wage,I think he will move on hes already speaking about wanting to be a first choice keeper,
Infact I think he'll go and be good else where when less of a spot light on him ,

Fromvert

GK - Karius, Mignolet

RB - Clyne, Trent, Gomez
CB - VVD, New, Lovren, Gomez, Klavan
LB - Robertson, Moreno

CM - Keita, New, Ox, Henderson, Milner, Gini, Lalllana

Attackers - Salah, Firmino, Mane, New, New

Outs - Matip, Can, Ings, Sturridge, Origi
Loan - Solanke and if any of the youth are able to step up I'm fine with that, loan them otherwise.


GK - I like the idea of an upgrade but would give Karius the season and spend elsewhere, if Mignolet leaves bring in competition.
RB - Nothing required, who ever is playing best gets the starting spot.
CB - I'd sell Matip and sign a CB to upgrade Lovren. Matip just doesn't do it for me and is too injury prone. Gomez is a prospect and he probably needs a few years to get to the level to play CB for us. Klavan can stay for break glass situations.
LB - Moreno is fine back up to Robertson.
CM - Sign another to go with Keita. Henderson, Milner, Ox, Gini are all solid and capable of great performances. One of them might want out due to lack of games. Lallana is a luxury if he can get fit at this stage.
Attackers - Behind our front three isn't a lot, I'd sign two, we're a goal scoring team, lets score more. If one of the two is a very attacking midfielder instead of a someone for the front three I'm ok with that too.

That's four signings, five new players including Keita. Which is a probably close to the limit of new faces you want to bring into your squad and keep it happy and moving in the right direction.

yourdeadwright

Fromvert wrote: »

GK - Karius, Mignolet

RB - Clyne, Trent, Gomez
CB - VVD, New, Lovren, Gomez, Klavan
LB - Robertson, Moreno

CM - Keita, New, Ox, Henderson, Milner, Gini, Lalllana

Attackers - Salah, Firmino, Mane, New, New

Outs - Matip, Can, Ings, Sturridge, Origi
Loan - Solanke and if any of the youth are able to step up I'm fine with that, loan them otherwise.


GK - I like the idea of an upgrade but would give Karius the season and spend elsewhere, if Mignolet leaves bring in competition.
RB - Nothing required, who ever is playing best gets the starting spot.
CB - I'd sell Matip and sign a CB to upgrade Lovren. Matip just doesn't do it for me and is too injury prone. Gomez is a prospect and he probably needs a few years to get to the level to play CB for us. Klavan can stay for break glass situations.
LB - Moreno is fine back up to Robertson.
CM - Sign another to go with Keita. Henderson, Milner, Ox, Gini are all solid and capable of great performances. One of them might want out due to lack of games. Lallana is a luxury if he can get fit at this stage.
Attackers - Behind our front three isn't a lot, I'd sign two, we're a goal scoring team, lets score more. If one of the two is a very attacking midfielder instead of a someone for the front three I'm ok with that too.

That's four signings, five new players including Keita. Which is a probably close to the limit of new faces you want to bring into your squad and keep it happy and moving in the right direction.

I thinks Simon and Moreno will want to leave , I can see both wanting more game time,
Also Studge, Ings are gone,

Talisman

Mr.H wrote: »

Is de frig still possible?

De Vrij? It was reported last month that he has an agreement to join Inter at the end of the season.

Has groetzka confirmed Bayern yet? He will go there but would have been ideal for us. Maybe Meyer?

Schalke's sporting director, Christian Heidel, broke the news that Goretzka was joining Bayern in January. Last month he said that Max Meyer was also holding out for a contract offer from Bayern.

yourdeadwright

With at least 7 games left Salah has outscored the career best of: Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Rooney, Aguero, van Basten, Shearer, Fowler, Eto'o, Trezeguet, van Persie, del Piero, Müller, Crespo, Batistuta, Totti and Drogba

He's level with Henry's best season, 3 away from beating Zlatan's best season. And he's doing this whilst being supported by a right-back that's either a 20 year old CB or a 19 year old midfielder playing out of position. And he's only scored 1 penalty. The guy is a phenomenon.

Turtyturd

Still wouldn’t get into a combined 11 though.

Agent Coulson

Jaysus I thought a Mod was going on a mad telling off there for a second.

Harry Palmr

I'd be surprised if Klopp was able to get any of the higher profile German national team names, when even the kids are all holding out for FC Hollywood it's a rum do.

ERG89

Mr.H wrote: »

Is de frig still possible?

The greatest defender who never existed, sounds like an awesome PES fake name.

Talisman wrote: »

Schalke's sporting director, Christian Heidel, broke the news that Goretzka was joining Bayern in January. Last month he said that Max Meyer was also holding out for a contract offer from Bayern.

Bayern haven't fair killed the Bundesliga team in second are losing 2 of their best players to them on a free :rolleyes:

Agent Coulson

Red Bull might be open to poaching some players if the fail to get CL football next season they may even lose out of EL as well.

Harry Palmr

Salzburg rather than Leipzig might the club to check over.

Agent Coulson

If Martial is leaving Man U in the summer I would seriously love to see us put a bid in for him.


I doubt they would sell him to us however he would be the ideal player to join in with our front three a £60m bid might just tempt them.

Harry Palmr

More mad Bobby stats

@iammoallim Roberto Firmino is the only player in the Premier League this season to win 60+ tackles and create 50+ chances.

62 tackles won ��

53 chances created ✨

Get you a No.9 that can do both.

-- Squawka Football

Agent Coulson

Still we can do better........

NukaCola

CB/(D)CM/WF in with Keita this summer and we'll probably have the best squad we've had in a long time.....

I wouldn't let a lot of players go either but there are a few I wouldn't be too disappointed to see leave.

Talisman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'd be surprised if Klopp was able to get any of the higher profile German national team names, when even the kids are all holding out for FC Hollywood it's a rum do.

Yeah, Bayern get to cherry pick the German talent.

Julian Brandt turned down the move to Liverpool last summer which resulted in Salah being signed. He said that he didn't want to move abroad the season before the World Cup because he didn't want to risk his place in the national squad. Afterwards it emerged that his agent (his father) had been talking to Bayern about a move in the summer of 2018. Brandt has a contract clause that activates this summer which will allow him to leave for €12.5M, Leverkusen have tried to renegotiate to remove the clause but it hasn't happened.

Turtyturd

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Still we can do better........

If only he could score 20 plus goals.

klose

NukaCola wrote: »

CB/(D)CM/WF in with Keita this summer and we'll probably have the best squad we've had in a long time.....

I wouldn't let a lot of players go either but there are a few I wouldn't be too disappointed to see leave.

For sure it will be an interesting summer, keita plus the three positions you mentioned would be a cracking summer and not a massive influx like we've seen before. Few players probably need to make decisions on their anfield careers as well namely ings/moreno/sturridge and origi.

TitianGerm

FitzShane wrote: »

It's a bit surprising that we've conceded less than United in that table. I thought they were good at defending and Liverpool were shaky at the back?

Talisman

NukaCola wrote: »

CB/(D)CM/WF in with Keita this summer and we'll probably have the best squad we've had in a long time.....

I wouldn't let a lot of players go either but there are a few I wouldn't be too disappointed to see leave.

I think there will also be a left back signed to provide a solid backup for Robertson. It wouldn't surprise me to see Klopp try to sign the likes of Erik Pieters from Stoke - he's 29/30, a Dutch international, knows the league and won't cost a fortune.

redzerdrog

Why October 23rd?

Vicxas

redzerdrog wrote: »

Why October 23rd?

We got hockied by Spurs the day before.

jebidiah

yourdeadwright wrote: »

With at least 7 games left Salah has outscored the career best of: Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Rooney, Aguero, van Basten, Shearer, Fowler, Eto'o, Trezeguet, van Persie, del Piero, Müller, Crespo, Batistuta, Totti and Drogba

He's level with Henry's best season, 3 away from beating Zlatan's best season. And he's doing this whilst being supported by a right-back that's either a 20 year old CB or a 19 year old midfielder playing out of position. And he's only scored 1 penalty. The guy is a phenomenon.

And only one hattrick.

brevity

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Jaysus I thought a Mod was going on a mad telling off there for a second.

In here? Never.

Iused2likebusts

Any word on the lovren injury we really need him now.

Talisman

Any ideas who we are likely to have been scouting at the Benfica v Porto game?

Benfica:
Varela, Almeida, Dias, Jardel, Grimaldo, Fejsa, Zivkovic, Pizzi, Silva, Cervi, Jimenez
Subs:
Silvar, Eliseu, Luisao, Carvalho, Samaris, Salvio, Seferovic

Porto:
Casillas, Pereira, Felipe, Marcano, Telles, Herrera, Oliveira, Marega, Otavio, Brahimi, Tiquinho
Subs:
Alves, Pereira, Reyes, Torres, Aboubakar, Corona, Hernani

https://twitter.com/TiagoEstv/status/985550484458045441

.red.

Talisman wrote: »

Any ideas who we are likely to have been scouting at the Benfica v Porto game?

Benfica:
Varela, Almeida, Dias, Jardel, Grimaldo, Fejsa, Zivkovic, Pizzi, Silva, Cervi, Jimenez
Subs:
Silvar, Eliseu, Luisao, Carvalho, Samaris, Salvio, Seferovic

Porto:
Casillas, Pereira, Felipe, Marcano, Telles, Herrera, Oliveira, Marega, Otavio, Brahimi, Tiquinho
Subs:
Alves, Pereira, Reyes, Torres, Aboubakar, Corona, Hernani

https://twitter.com/TiagoEstv/status/985550484458045441

Dunno, probably only there cos Southampton were too. Buy before them and save £20/40/60million

Agent Coulson

The two main clubs in Portugal playing I'm surprised there isn't more club scouts from around Europe at the game.

Chardee MacDennis

how has Zivkovic been playing this season?

Vicxas

These are too good:

https://streamable.com/xst14

Talisman

Chardee MacDennis wrote: »

how has Zivkovic been playing this season?

I haven't seen any of the Portuguese league this season but he was on the bench for both the games against Man Utd in the Champions League. I remember the commentator mentioned that he had created the only goal they had scored in the competition.

mosstin

Vicxas wrote: »

These are too good:

https://streamable.com/xst14

Christ, made by a 15 year old, I reckon.

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

Christ, made by a 5 year old, I reckon.

fyp

BorneTobyWilde

New kit for 2018/19
Going back to basics

happyoutscan

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

New kit for 2018/19
Going back to basics

Mmmm Kathy Lloyd.

RugbyLover123

Don't really get the appeal for so many bundesliga players running down their contracts to join Bayern. Fair enough they'll be getting more money but you can pretty much predict their season before it starts.. walk the league and Semi final in CL.. doesn't seem like a challenge.. the bundesliga is a great league with great fans but walking it every year with your rivals players loses it's prestige for me.. don't see why players are so eager to join there when they've other top clubs with a bigger challenge for them

~Rebel~

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Don't really get the appeal for so many bundesliga players running down their contracts to join Bayern. Fair enough they'll be getting more money but you can pretty much predict their season before it starts.. walk the league and Semi final in CL.. doesn't seem like a challenge.. the bundesliga is a great league with great fans but walking it every year with your rivals players loses it's prestige for me.. don't see why players are so eager to join there when they've other top clubs with a bigger challenge for them

Yeah, at this stage it's become a more interesting league to look at from 2nd downwards.
(as is England this season of course - but at least in the EPL it probably won't be a permanent issue, given that no-one has been able to defend their title over the past ten years)

TitianGerm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

New kit for 2018/19
Going back to basics

Razor won't be happy they stole his jersey :pac:

Agent Coulson

Swiss Ramble.

English clubs Champions League 2017/18 revenue: #LFC €66m, #CFC €64m, #MCFC €62m, #THFC €60m & #MUFC €39m. Celtic get €32m, as Scottish clubs get 10% of UK TV pool if qualify for Group Stage. As #MUFC qualified via Europa League, get nothing from first half of TV pool.

If #LFC win the Champions League, they would receive €83m. Sum restricted by 1st half of TV pool (10% for finishing 4th in previous season’s PL). Some small reductions in other English clubs, as #LFC share of 2nd half of TV pool (based on number of games played) would increase.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/986147504965156864

Dickerty

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Any word on the lovren injury we really need him now.

That's a big problem, if we lose him as well, will mean VVD and Klavan for rest of the season. But at least we HAVE 5 CBs to choose from, otherwise we'd be playing Trent there!

Dickerty

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Swiss Ramble.

We know money isn't everything, particularly when United's commercial income is £150M more than us! But it helps.

And you watch the contract re-negotiations being kicked off this summer with StanChar and New Balance, with our greatly improved profile this season. The New Balance deal runs out this summer IIRC, so they can court Nike, Adidas, etc for way more than the £50M a year they are currently getting. And the SC deal runs out next summer.

Strike while the iron is hot!

Talisman

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Don't really get the appeal for so many bundesliga players running down their contracts to join Bayern. Fair enough they'll be getting more money but you can pretty much predict their season before it starts.. walk the league and Semi final in CL.. doesn't seem like a challenge.. the bundesliga is a great league with great fans but walking it every year with your rivals players loses it's prestige for me.. don't see why players are so eager to join there when they've other top clubs with a bigger challenge for them

Within Germany, playing for Bayern is seen as the pinnacle for German players - they reputedly only recruit the best talent. When you play for the club you are made and are virtually untouchable in the German media, the only media stories that get out are the ones the club wants. Bayern is a mafia family with the convicted tax dodger, Uli Hoeness, at its head. They sell the 'family' image very well and the German public buy it.

It could be argued that the club is a cancer on the Bundesliga. Their transfer policy weakens their domestic rivals which in turn weakens the standard of the league and this is reflected in the European performances of the German clubs. This season, Bayern was the only German team to reach the last 16 of the Champions League. Dortmund and RB Leipzig both went to the last 32 of the Europa League where they were the only representatives of the Bundesliga - Hoffenheim, Hertha Berlin and Koln had all been eliminated.

Bayern doesn't care because it leaves them as the sole champion of German football in the European competitions and this in turn helps to feed the image of them being the club of the German people.

RB Leipzig are hated primarily because their success is due to financial backing from a massive conglomerate, but this also makes them the biggest domestic threat to Bayern.

LuckyLloyd

But, but, but...they sell beer in the stadiums :rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

But, but, but...they sell beer in the stadiums :rolleyes:

.... gluhwein in winter ...

LuckyLloyd

Good post in the UCL thread that lays bare how **** they've been this year:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057754076&page=69

Fromvert wrote: »

Is the Bundesliga particularly awful this year and are Bayern actually a team to fear? Outside of Bayern the other German teams have stunk up Europe. The seven qualifiers for Europe are below, where they finished last year, where they are now and how Europe went for them.


1st (1st) - Bayern - In the semis.
2nd (6th) - Red Bull - Finished behind Porto and Besiktas (lost 5-0 and 8-1 to Liverpool and Bayern in the last 16) which doesn't scream finishing behind quality. Went out to Marseille in the quarter finals of EL.
3rd (3rd) -Dortmund - 2 pts in their group against APOEL! Get dumped out by RB Salzburg in the last 16 of EL.
4th (7th) Hoffenheim - Knocked out by Liverpool in the CL qualifiers, come bottom of their group in the EL.
5th (18th) - Koln - Third in their EL group and out
6th (11th) - Hertha - Bottom their EL group and out
7th (15th) - Freiburg - Knocked out in EL by Domzale in qualifying (had to google them, they're Slovenian)

Bayern finished behind PSG and ahead of Celtic and Anderlecht, beat Besiktas and Sevilla in the knockout stages. They're running away with the Bundesliga (the teams they're beating seem to be terrible when compared to their European counterparts). I think Real roll them.

Fitz*

Worth spending most of that CL money on Martial? Can play across the front 3 and pace!

Rotate the 4 into 3 places like we did this year but now with added central options and also added RW options (Mane + Salah as opposed to just one) Coutinho could only cover LW really but Martial can cover LW & CF, same with Firmino, Mane has LW & RW and Salah has RW and through the middle sometimes as a partner.

~Rebel~

FitzShane wrote: »

Worth spending most of that CL money on Martial? Can play across the front 3 and pace!

Rotate the 4 into 3 places like we did this year but now with added central options and also added RW options (Mane + Salah as opposed to just one) Coutinho could only cover LW really but Martial can cover LW & CF, same with Firmino, Mane has LW & RW and Salah has RW and through the middle sometimes as a partner.

They’d never sell to us regardless, so not really even worth thinking about.