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BorneTobyWilde

citytillidie wrote: »

The video is not showing the full incident it is showing the aftermath of the Irish guy being attacked as you can see him laying in the ground and you see a Roma "fan" going up and kicking another guy in the head who is helping the guy on the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

8-10

Talisman wrote: »

Toby you should really put some thought into your posts on the subject before you submit them. Don't feel the need to say something just for the sake of saying something.

Sean Cox didn't 'tango' with the Roma mob - it appears he was attacked for no other reason than the fact that he was the closest available target.

Word around is he was specifically targeted by them as an older fan. And his situation is apparently very grave.

Hearing that news last night on the way out of Anfield completely deflated me and many other fans. He was just going to watch a game.

Today his wife has flown in to sit at his bedside in intensive care at the neurological hospital. Stop and think what that must feel like. My own wife could easily have been doing the same today if I had been as unlucky which really puts it into perspective.

So for Toby to write a post like that, and subsequently back it up instead of retract, based on no ****ing evidence at all, effectively victim blaming and speculating about a man’s actions who reportedly did nothing at all to end up on life support right now as you type it with his wife at his side praying that he’ll live...it’s sickening. Not just bad taste, not just badly thought-out, it’s sickening to express such apathy and menace towards a fellow Irishman at a time like this.

I think it’s probably against the charter to announce you’re blocking somebody but whatever, have no desire to read another word from somebody with that attitude

citytillidie

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

Yea looking at that, that is after they attacked the Liverpool fans outside the Albert as that is them running away

MD1990

billymitchell wrote: »

Just reading this article by Lawro, and while there isnt much in it of substance, he does make the statement about the front three of Bobby, Mane & Salah that he "cannot think of a better front three I have seen in British football."

I would argue that Suarez, Sterling and Sturrigde were a better front three, as each one of them was devastating on their own, where as our current 3 amigo's are arguably a better unit, I would still prefer to have the other front three

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43888382

Salah is better than Suarez.

Firmino better than Sturridge.

Mane better than Sterling.

Our front 3 now is better both individually & collectively.

corwill

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

Toby, you know I'm a fan of your oeuvre, but you're barking up the wrong tree here.

Nerdlingr

8-10 wrote: »

Word around is he was specifically targeted by them as an older fan. And his situation is apparently very grave.

Hearing that news last night on the way out of Anfield completely deflated me and many other fans. He was just going to watch a game.

Today his wife has flown in to sit at his bedside in intensive care at the neurological hospital. Stop and think what that must feel like. My own wife could easily have been doing the same today if I had been as unlucky which really puts it into perspective.

So for Toby to write a post like that, and subsequently back it up instead of retract, based on no ****ing evidence at all, effectively victim blaming and speculating about a man’s actions who reportedly did nothing at all to end up on life support right now as you type it with his wife at his side praying that he’ll live...it’s sickening. Not just bad taste, not just badly thought-out, it’s sickening to express such apathy and menace towards a fellow Irishman at a time like this.

I think it’s probably against the charter to announce you’re blocking somebody but whatever, have no desire to read another word from somebody with that attitude

Well said. Spot on.

gimli2112

I think it's a matter of opinion but if your opinion is Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were better than the current Mane, Salah and Bobby trinity, your opinion is wrong, in my opinion.


Much as I loved Suarez

ardinn

I am absolutely flabbergasted after watching those 2 videos that I never saw one officer - not one - Absolutely mind boggling!!

Knex*

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I hope it's not the petallar tendon as reported. I strained mine before and it was absolute agony, can't imagine what a tear would be like.

Ah balls, is that's what's actually suspected? I was saying it last night as his reaction reminded me instantly of a player who did his patella a few years ago.

I was hopeful that because this was impact related that it would be something different, however. That's a career threatening injury.

MD1990

Suarez was great. But a bit overated in his time at us.

I would still rank Gerrard above him for instance because of 05 & 06.

Salah even if in short time scores so many inportant goals Suarez didn't score that many important goals that I remember. Like late winners or decisive goals.

ERG89

Suarez improved the players around him as the following season everyone's level dropped. I don't think our front 3 can do that as effectively but as a trident they have 28 goals in the Champions League, nearly 90 in all comps.

MD1990

ERG89 wrote: »

Suarez improved the players around him as the following season everyone's level dropped. I don't think our front 3 can do that as effectively but as a trident they have 28 goals in the Champions League, nearly 90 in all comps.

Conceded 4 goals in the last 2 games Salah went off.

ERG89

MD1990 wrote:

Conceded 4 goals in the last 2 games Salah went off.

What has that to do with anything I said?
Everyone knows we don't have any cover with Ings & Solanke

yourdeadwright

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

The video is not showing the full incident it is showing the aftermath of the Irish guy being attacked as you can see him laying in the ground and you see a Roma "fan" going up and kicking another guy in the head who is helping the guy on the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

corwill wrote: »

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

Toby, you know I'm a fan of your oeuvre, but you're barking up the wrong tree here.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

The video is not showing the full incident it is showing the aftermath of the Irish guy being attacked as you can see him laying in the ground and you see a Roma "fan" going up and kicking another guy in the head who is helping the guy on the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGuOpABLXE

A less seen different angle. Not full either.
Just shows my ONLY POINT, that a few are more than willing to engage.

Your some clown you have Zero evidence that Sean even interacted with the Roma fans, The man is likely going to die and you come on talking **** about what he may have done with zero evidence to back it up ,
Hang your head in shame, imagine if that was your da, brother, Son currently in critical condition and someone else making up **** ,

murpho999

Were the hell were Merseyside Police?

10 minutes before kick off and Italian Ultras are allowed to cause trouble right outside the ground without any interference and not a cop in sight?

citytillidie

murpho999 wrote: »

Were the hell were Merseyside Police?

10 minutes before kick off and Italian Ultras are allowed to cause trouble right outside the ground without any interference and not a cop in sight?

It was not 10 mins before kick off it is now being reported that it happened at 7:05pm

Hangballlouie

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Karius is an accident waiting to happen every single game there are moment of unease with him that people try find a way to dismiss as not his fault, Himself and Lovren are our weakest links ,

Are you still of the view that he is the worst keeper to ever play for Liverpool?

Something has to be done about this. Disgrace is too soft a word, both the police and UEFA have some explaining to do.

Nerdlingr

citytillidie wrote: »

It was not 10 mins before kick off it is now being reported that it happened at 7:05pm

There should be a police presence all over the ground at least an hour/ hour and a half before kick off. Pods of officers walking round. The lads on horseback. Vehicles parked up with police keeping an eye on everything.

The lack of a visual police presence in those videos is shocking. I've been to loads of european/domestic games and you usually see police all over the place.

What/where were they at?

*edit: what time did the buses get in? there would have been a massive presence there for that no?

murpho999

citytillidie wrote: »

It was not 10 mins before kick off it is now being reported that it happened at 7:05pm

Even so, 40 mins before kick off is a very busy time and the are should be more secure.

Saw more Gardai outside the Aviva when Liverpool played a friendly there last August.

Osmosis Jones

Wouldn't be surprised if there's a stadium ban next week, stop any Liverpool fans from traveling for the sake of their own safety.

yourdeadwright

Hangballlouie wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Karius is an accident waiting to happen every single game there are moment of unease with him that people try find a way to dismiss as not his fault, Himself and Lovren are our weakest links ,

Are you still of the view that he is the worst keeper to ever play for Liverpool?

 I don't have a personal problem with any player and will call it straight, He has certainly improved so I would no longer say worst keeper iv seen , but I still do not think he is good enough,
He'd be good for a mid table side but I think if you want to win things you need a better keeper than him, Nearly every game or second game there is some kind of uncertainty with him ,  Personally I think he'd be a good second keeper for us,

8-10

Nerdlingr wrote: »

There should be a police presence all over the ground at least an hour/ hour and a half before kick off. Pods of officers walking round. The lads on horseback. Vehicles parked up with police keeping an eye on everything.

The lack of a visual police presence in those videos is shocking. I've been to loads of european/domestic games and you usually see police all over the place.

What/where were they at?

*edit: what time did the buses get in? there would have been a massive presence there for that no?

Buses I think were 6.30ish at a different entrance

yourdeadwright

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if there's a stadium ban next week, stop any Liverpool fans from traveling for the sake of their own safety.

You gotta be joking, Eufa will bury there head in the sand for this nothing will be done or said,

ush

Suprised by all of this. Very unlike Italians to be cowardly.

Nerdlingr

8-10 wrote: »

Buses I think were 6.30ish at a different entrance

So there would have been a big police presence an hour or so before kick off.
Makes it even worse than there was no-one around to stop this before it got out of hand so.

BorneTobyWilde

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your some clown you have Zero evidence that Sean even interacted with the Roma fans, The man is likely going to die and you come on talking **** about what he may have done with zero evidence to back it up ,
Hang your head in shame, imagine if that was your da, brother, Son currently in critical condition and someone else making up **** ,

yourdeadwright, you're dead right.
I was wrong, and retract my opinion on this matter. I should have waited for facts before shooting my mouth off.

citytillidie

Does anyone have a presale code for tomorrow for the Dublin game?

Talisman

Andre Marriner has been named as the referee for the Stoke City game at the weekend.

Toby, that's a really poor post.

The poor man and his family. Remember, some of them may read this forum.

yourdeadwright

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your some clown you have Zero evidence that Sean even interacted with the Roma fans, The man is likely going to die and you come on talking **** about what he may have done with zero evidence to back it up ,
Hang your head in shame, imagine if that was your da, brother, Son currently in critical condition and someone else making up **** ,

yourdeadwright, you're dead right.
I was wrong, and retract my opinion on this matter. I should have waited for facts before shooting my mouth off.

Ireland a small place every chance that guys family members or friends could be on here, just a bit of respect needs to be shown that's all, After all he could have been anyone of us on here just a Liverpool fan out to enjoy a day he was no doubt looking forward to all week,

Luckycharms_74

There is a gofund me page set up for that poor man who got attacked.

https://www.gofundme.com/sean-cox-medical-fund

machiavellianme

citytillidie wrote: »

Does anyone have a presale code for tomorrow for the Dublin game?

Sent you a pm

jasonb

Just a though that occurred to me, now that I'm feeling a bit more positive after feeling disappointed last night with the two late goals.

I know we're down to three midfielders now, and we're in real trouble if any of them get injured over the next 4 games. But, if they don't, there are 13 days between the last game of the season and the Final. So, if we get to the final, we'll have 13 days rest. That might not be enough to get Lallana back (I believe Can will never be back and until we hear different, Ox is gone for the season), but it is more than enough to give our three midfielders a good rest before the Final. If we get to it, our 3 fit midfielders should be raring to go, and maybe even Lallana on the bench.

Winning on Saturday is huge, if we can do that we only need 1 point from two games. So winning on Saturday, and staying injury free, is key.

Chesty08

gimli2112 wrote: »

I think it's a matter of opinion but if your opinion is Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were better than the current Mane, Salah and Bobby trinity, your opinion is wrong, in my opinion.


Much as I loved Suarez

Suarez (for us) is still better than Salah in my honest opinion. I'll admit it is getting extremely close though!

ozzy jr

The fella holding the hammer in the videos is a Liverpool fan?

yourdeadwright

jasonb wrote: »

Just a though that occurred to me, now that I'm feeling a bit more positive after feeling disappointed last night with the two late goals.

I know we're down to three midfielders now, and we're in real trouble if any of them get injured over the next 4 games. But, if they don't, there are 13 days between the last game of the season and the Final. So, if we get to the final, we'll have 13 days rest. That might not be enough to get Lallana back (I believe Can will never be back and until we hear different, Ox is gone for the season), but it is more than enough to give our three midfielders a good rest before the Final. If we get to it, our 3 fit midfielders should be raring to go, and maybe even Lallana on the bench.

Winning on Saturday is huge, if we can do that we only need 1 point from two games. So winning on Saturday, and staying injury free, is key.

Its a cliché but Saturday is our biggest game of the season, Win and top four is 99% certain, We'd need 1 point if Chelsea win all there games,
Top four is more important than next Wednesday ,we "HAVE" to win on Saturday, last weekend was a major F*ck up , Jurgen's post game reaction says it all ,

Utopia Parkway

ozzy jr wrote: »

The fella holding the hammer in the videos is a Liverpool fan?

Probably a local who grabbed it out of his house when he saw all the ruckus going on around the ground.

murpho999

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Probably a local who grabbed it out of his house when he saw all the ruckus going on around the ground.

Yes, that's the first thought of most people when they see trouble.

"I'll just nip home and get my hammer!".

citytillidie

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Probably a local who grabbed it out of his house when he saw all the ruckus going on around the ground.

Or got it from one of the stalls or picked it up from a Roma fan will never know but it is not right and just as bad as the Roma fans.

If "fans" are so keen on fighting why not get in touch with each other and arrange a site away from the ground and do it leave those who are there for the football to go to the football in peace

Utopia Parkway

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, that's the first thought of most people when they see trouble.

"I'll just nip home and get my hammer!".

Well it will be with some people. Not very many thankfully. I think it's naive to think otherwise. There are always those out there who will use any excuse to get involved in trouble.

He didn't have any colours on from what I could see so I doubt he was even going to the match. Just saw an opportunity for a ruck.

yourdeadwright

I think the obvious answer is its one of the lads from the stalls, The stalls are right where the whole thing is videoed from,
Also if you where a Liverpool looking for a fight ud go the other side of the ground where the away fans are normally kept,

Utopia Parkway

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its a cliché but Saturday is our biggest game of the season, Win and top four is 99% certain, We'd need 1 point if Chelsea win all there games,
Top four is more important than next Wednesday ,we "HAVE" to win on Saturday, last weekend was a major F*ck up , Jurgen's post game reaction says it all ,

Yeah need to win Saturday. I don't fancy us drawing and still needing 3 points to secure a top 4 spot. Lose at Chelsea and we'd have to beat Brighton on the final day. That's cutting it a bit too close for comfort.

corwill

ozzy jr wrote: »

The fella holding the hammer in the videos is a Liverpool fan?

It was widely reported last night and this morning that was a Roma fan, who's now reporting otherwise?

yourdeadwright

corwill wrote: »

ozzy jr wrote: »

The fella holding the hammer in the videos is a Liverpool fan?

It was widely reported last night and this morning that was a Roma fan, who's now reporting otherwise?

No one is reporting its just that he is standing with the Liverpool fans who are filming it, so probabaly not a Roma Ultra he would have legged it with them ,
Id be 99% sure its one of the lads from the stalls, they are right where the video is filmed and u need a hammer for setting up ,

ozzy jr

corwill wrote: »

It was widely reported last night and this morning that was a Roma fan, who's now reporting otherwise?

Just looking at the video myself and thought Italians don't dress like that. Definitely look local.

Agent Coulson

Latest on Ox is he is out for the rest of the season and should be back for the start of next season.


The Mirror.

marklazarcovic

One thing for certain from last ngt, neither one or the other keeper looked better than the other,all players can make errors,even so called 75mill quid world class players

Utopia Parkway

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Latest on Ox is he is out for the rest of the season and should be back for the start of next season.


The Mirror.

Would take that to be honest. Thought he was looking at missing most of next season at one point.

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote:

Latest on Ox is he is out for the rest of the season and should be back for the start of next season.

Expected but even still........
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k