Should we protest against the pope's visit?

matrim

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Tons of tickets being given away online. Many people decided to apply in their family names several times thinking that they had a better chance of getting tickets. They then ended up with dozens more than needed. These ended up on come & take me for free sites & groups, DoneDeal, Adverts & Boards all for free. I saw these still available Saturday night.


Don't let anyone tell you that it was the protester. Anyone that wanted to go could have gone. Anyone that wanted to go went. People just didn't want to go

I know that but it doesn't stop it being used as an excuse. Every article about the low attendance mentioned the protest and poeple are using it as an excuse, hence my comment, that it backfired

Sleeper12

matrim wrote:

I know that but it doesn't stop it being used as an excuse. Every article about the low mentioned the protest and poeople are using it as an excuse, hence my comment, that it backfired

They are blaming the weather too. Ignore them. They know. Even the Pope knows. Message sent loud and clear.

Dublin City only got a fifth of the 100,000 expected to greet the Pope on Saturday . No ticket needed & a beautiful sunny day. People just cou be arsed

IamtheWalrus

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I understand your frustration & annoyance & I'm probably on the same side as you but we must respect other peopls beliefs even if they differ to ours. I am angry with the church

Why must we respect other people's beliefs? We would happily attack another person's political leaning without fear. If someone tells me the earth is flat, must I button my lip or can I call their belief ludicrous?

ELM327

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I understand your frustration & annoyance & I'm probably on the same side as you but we must respect other peopls beliefs even if they differ to ours. I am angry with the church

I will not respect nonsense and bunkum tbh, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable to insult people because of it. Hence why I have apologised for the comment.


There's a big difference between respecting someone's beliefs and respecting their right to hold those beliefs.


I will do the latter begrudgingly but not the former.

Sleeper12

IamtheWalrus wrote:

Why must we respect other people's beliefs? We would happily attack another person's political leaning without fear. If someone tells me the earth is flat, must I button my lip or can I call their belief ludicrous?

That's fine. I challenge others beliefs myself. I was quoting someone that called everyone at the mass scum. There is a huge difference between a proper debate and challenging something compared to calling everyone that disagrees with you scum

I think flat earthers are nuts to believe what they believe but that doesn't make them scum.

There is nothing wrong with basic manners while you challenge someone. Even the cop in the states will call you sir and mam as they arrest you

euser1984

who is to say this is the busiest time of the day at all? pfff

NIMAN

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

And I'm am fairly certain that in 20 years or so we will be hearing about the very same types of abuse in those countries that went on here. Very sad.

This is the worrying thing, and you'd nearly put the mortgage on that happening for sure.

I have heard the last few days about how Ireland now has future abuse covered, it shouldn't happen, and with mandatory reporting etc, it will be tough to abuse young people.

But paedo's are very resourceful. If they cannot do it in Ireland, then poor places who are welcoming to the CC like parts of Africa and the Far East will be the next hot bed of child abuse. Just wait and see.

Edgware

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Why must we respect other people's beliefs? We would happily attack another person's political leaning without fear. If someone tells me the earth is flat, must I button my lip or can I call their belief ludicrous?

So you will be off to the Saudi embassy tomorrow to protest about their barbarity I suppose

volchitsa

Edgware wrote: »

So you will be off to the Saudi embassy tomorrow to protest about their barbarity I suppose

If they show signs of wanting to run our schools and hospitals, then absolutely.
But let's fix our own leaky roof first before dictating to other people how to fix theirs, yeah?

Edgware

volchitsa wrote: »

If they show signs of wanting to run our schools and hospitals, then absolutely.
But let's fix our own leaky roof first before dictating to other people how to fix theirs, yeah?

The Cash family will fix your roof and sort out your tarmacadam drive boss

alaimacerc

matrim wrote: »

I know that but it doesn't stop it being used as an excuse. Every article about the low attendance mentioned the protest and poeple are using it as an excuse, hence my comment, that it backfired

Yeah, but they're also mentioning "health and safety gone mad", and whatever other nonsense that inking paper won't refuse. That they should have been charging money for the tickets, even. Right, think that one through, maybe.

People will always have excuses; that doesn't mean they convince anyone that wasn't determined to be convinced anyway.

alaimacerc

Edgware wrote: »

So you will be off to the Saudi embassy tomorrow to protest about their barbarity I suppose

Ahbutwhaddaboudamuslims.

PlaneSpeeking

alaimacerc wrote: »

Ahbutwhaddaboudamuslims.

It's a fair point though, I've a colleague who has never stopped calling Catholics every bad name under the sun and yet defends Muslims to the hilt.

DChancer

Edgware wrote: »

So you will be off to the Saudi embassy tomorrow to protest about their barbarity I suppose

If The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia arrives here to tell me what a real family is and to lie about his involment in decades of barbarity against my fellow countrymen and women then of course i'll protest

alaimacerc

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's a fair point though, I've a colleague who has never stopped calling Catholics every bad name under the sun and yet defends Muslims to the hilt.

It'd be a fair point if we were discussing your colleague, and had a full account of what they'd said on these topics!

It's not really a matter of which is the better (OK, least worst!) religion, in some supposedly objective isolated manner. You have to look at it in the context of broader geopolitics, not to mention local conditions.

volchitsa

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's a fair point though, I've a colleague who has never stopped calling Catholics every bad name under the sun and yet defends Muslims to the hilt.

Ah these imaginary colleagues. Funny none of these people ever come on and say these crazy things themselves isn't it. It's almost as though they are being completely misrepresented. Or just invented for the purposes of deflection from the catholic religion and the harm it has done this country.

Sycamore Tree

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's a fair point though, I've a colleague who has never stopped calling Catholics every bad name under the sun and yet defends Muslims to the hilt.

Has he or she published a manifesto?

ELM327

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Has he or she published a manifesto?

A womanifesto perhaps?

Edgware

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's a fair point though, I've a colleague who has never stopped calling Catholics every bad name under the sun and yet defends Muslims to the hilt.

Probably like all the politicians and comedians who wont criticise Muslims extremists, scared of their ****e to do so

Sycamore Tree

Leroy42

Have any of those that posted defending the Pope and the CC actually taken the time to read the PA grand Jury report?

It is 900 pages (+500 of appendix) so its a long read, (I haven't read it all yet) but it is seriously harrowing stuff.

The reason why it is so detailed is they actually got access to the secret archives, that was where are the evidence that the CC had was kept.

One part is they used to give gold crosses to kids after they had abused them so that other priests would know that that child had already been initiated (that is my word as I can't recall or find the actual term used at the moment) and thus they could target that child themselves.

I defy anybody to read it and come out with any other impression than the CC should be kept as far away from children as possible and never trusted again.

It should be registered as a sex offender and never allowed anywhere near children again. It took the Pope 6 days to respond to the report! And when he did is was much ado about nothing.

Whatever excuses are used, it is clear that the event was a big let down on expectations and a massive fall off since 1979. Hopefully the church can see that the tide has turned and they are nothing but a special pleading case living off history and will continue to fall off in relevance.

Sycamore Tree

Leroy42 wrote: »

Have any of those that posted defending the Pope and the CC actually taken the time to read the PA grand Jury report?

It is 900 pages (+500 of appendix) so its a long read, (I haven't read it all yet) but it is seriously harrowing stuff.

The reason why it is so detailed is they actually got access to the secret archives, that was where are the evidence that the CC had was kept.

Yeah I heard it is harrowing stuff. I did hear a few stories from it which sickened me.

How did the investigators get access to the secret archives?

Sycamore Tree

The report is here is anyone wants to look at it.

https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/report/

There is also a video from the abuse survivors.

Sleeper12

Netflix documentary called The Keepers tell of some of the abuse in the 60's and 70s. Its shocking to hear what the priests did. The stuff the priests told these girls is shocking. They literally used God to make these girls think that it was normal