The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Reggie.

Downtown123 wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with an Astonenergy monoculture or Diamond High Digestibility? Residuals look very good and having problems with a fresh reseed of Abergain, Aberchoice and Drumbo atm. Cows hate it.

You could try Agritech No 4 or 4a if you dont want clover. Good results around this area with it

Say my name

Downtown123 wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with an Astonenergy monoculture or Diamond High Digestibility? Residuals look very good and having problems with a fresh reseed of Abergain, Aberchoice and Drumbo atm. Cows hate it.

Declare me bonkers.

But seawater sprayed on at 4 litres per acre diluted at 20:1 would solve those palatable issues.
The only caveat being I think you're nearly better doing it in a wet time just in case it might slightly add to a faster drying up of soil. With the memories of last year still fresh.

But I've done it myself and it definitely would improve those palatable issues.
I kind of think it wouldn't matter which varieties you use after. I've Tyrella in a field and kind of had problems before but went with the diluted seawater two years ago and no problems since.

Markcheese

Say my name wrote: »

Declare me bonkers.

But seawater sprayed on at 4 litres per acre diluted at 20:1 would solve those palatable issues.
The only caveat being I think you're nearly better doing it in a wet time just in case it might slightly add to a faster drying up of soil. With the memories of last year still fresh.

But I've done it myself and it definitely would improve those palatable issues.
I kind of think it wouldn't matter which varieties you use after. I've Tyrella in a field and kind of had problems before but went with the diluted seawater two years ago and no problems since.

Just before grazing.?
Is it just that they like the salt?

charolais0153

Markcheese wrote: »

Just before grazing.?
Is it just that they like the salt?

ya they do have sodium in that goudings sweetgraze a while back, thought it was a good job

Water John

Going to oversow cereal crop with grass/clover mix. Will a spinner do it evenly? Set before with a wagtail which did it fine.

Reggie.

Water John wrote: »

Going to oversow cereal crop with grass/clover mix. Will a spinner do it evenly? Set before with a wagtail which did it fine.

Evenly...ish. hard to be accurate with wind and such

Water John

I'd get the contractor to do it with the pneumatic drill in a raised position but silage season has already kicked in. Looking to do it in 2/3 weeks time. Thanks Reggie.

Say my name

Markcheese wrote: »

Just before grazing.?
Is it just that they like the salt?

There's 90 minerals (so they say) in seawater.

Give it a weeks growth after grazing. And then go. It'll darken up the grass like you went out with a heavy round of nitrogen and you'll probably see a bounce in growth. But the stock will skin it to the ground.
Going by here it'll last a few years anyway.

I'm not sure I'd go everywhere being that it might be a dry year. But for old ground and stock rejecting grass then it'll do no harm. I haven't had a bad effect with it anyway. But it's a maybe once in a 5 year or more job.

ganmo

Say my name wrote: »

There's 90 minerals (so they say) in seawater.

Give it a weeks growth after grazing. And then go. It'll darken up the grass like you went out with a heavy round of nitrogen and you'll probably see a bounce in growth. But the stock will skin it to the ground.
Going by here it'll last a few years anyway.

I'm not sure I'd go everywhere being that it might be a dry year. But for old ground and stock rejecting grass then it'll do no harm. I haven't had a bad effect with it anyway. But it's a maybe once in a 5 year or more job.

theres only 88 elements in the normal peroidic table of the elements, 10 of them are gasses at sea temp so that bit I'm calling bull carp

Buford T. Justice XIX

ganmo wrote: »

theres only 88 elements in the normal peroidic table of the elements, 10 of them are gasses at sea temp so that bit I'm calling bull carp

Elements are the basic building blocks of compounds and minerals are composed of many elements

ganmo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Elements are the basic building blocks of compounds and minerals are composed of many elements

the words are often confounded, eg mineral deficiencies are elemental deficiencies

Say my name

ganmo wrote: »

theres only 88 elements in the normal peroidic table of the elements, 10 of them are gasses at sea temp so that bit I'm calling bull carp

Well I hope you have a big dinner plate for that bull carp.

Take it up with these sort of crowds.

https://seaagri.com/

Buford T. Justice XIX

ganmo wrote: »

the words are often confounded, eg mineral deficiencies are elemental deficiencies

That they are. If you have a magnesium deficiency, like in grass tetany in spring and autumn, you won't be treating with straight magnesium but some compound like calcined mangesite(cal mag or MgO) in the feed. In acute cases, you'll be injecting with something like Magnesium sulphate into the vein, a different compound.

So an elemental deficiency is treated with minerals containing Magnesium with different absorption rates, if that makes sense?

Lime Tree Farm

Say my name wrote: »

Declare me bonkers.

But seawater sprayed on at 4 litres per acre diluted at 20:1 would solve those palatable issues.
But I've done it myself and it definitely would improve those palatable issues.
I've Tyrella in a field and kind of had problems before but went with the diluted seawater two years ago and no problems since.

Have you actually collected sea water from the shore, diluted 4 litres in 80 litres of tap water and spread it on grass land with a boom sprayer.. Or am I asking a silly question.

This would be a brilliant way of sweetening after grass on silage ground, following slurry application, or any patches of grass land made "sour" with animal urine and cow dung. I presume you're not spreading SweetGrass as well

Say my name

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Have you actually collected sea water from the shore, diluted 4 litres in 80 litres of tap water and spread it on grass land with a boom sprayer.. Or am I asking a silly question.

This would be a brilliant way of sweetening after grass on silage ground, following slurry application, or any patches of grass land made "sour" with animal urine and cow dung. I presume you're not spreading SweetGrass as well

Not a silly question at all.
I have done all that and even went to 10 litres/acre on the garden. And it's still growing. I used non treated well water for dilution.

No I'm not spreading SweetGrass this year or last.

There's a hell of a lot of information being shared on the natural gardening/vegetable groups on Facebook that most farmers here would gawp at or dismiss because they didn't learn that in ag college.

Lime Tree Farm

Seawater Spray.

I am definitely giving it a go. Thanks for mentioning the "non treated well water", I only wish we had some, the old wells and pond were filled in years ago.

Say my name

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Seawater Spray.

I am definitely giving it a go. Thanks for mentioning the "non treated well water", I only wish we had some, the old wells and pond were filled in years ago.

Try a small bit first.
Even though I have done it myself. I still don't want to get the blame on this anonymous forum. :pac:
Look it up elsewhere on the net too but at 4litres per acre there should be no damage. If it works properly in a few days you should see the grass turn darker.
But as I say and it says elsewhere it's really only a once in a 5 year or more thing.

What I'm currently trying to do here now that I've that behind me is get carbon levels in soil built up anyway I can. Dung, slurry, woodchip, biological ways, anyway I can.

Lime Tree Farm

Say my name wrote: »

Try a small bit first.
Even though I have done it myself. I still don't want to get the blame on this anonymous forum.

No worries, it will be with a watering can, on uneaten dark green patches of grass

Say my name

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

No worries, it will be with a watering can, on uneaten dark green patches of grass

That's the shot. And that's how I tried it out first.
Well in the back garden anyway.

Dakota Dan

How many acre bags of grass seed would you use when reseeding eg. just a bag to the acre or a little extra?

alps

Dakota Dan wrote: »

How many acre bags of grass seed would you use when reseeding eg. just a bag to the acre or a little extra?

15kg

Reggie.

Dakota Dan wrote: »

How many acre bags of grass seed would you use when reseeding eg. just a bag to the acre or a little extra?

Depending on the time of year and your own preference. Spring usually 13kg min and autumn about 15kg min to account for losses

Dunedin

Reseeded 9 acres on 7 May. It was dry going in and had no rain for the first two weeks or so but has had a fair drop since but it’s fierce slow coming.

It was disked twice and one good cut of power harrow, sowed and rolled. Soil samples taken beforehand and limed and fert accordingly.

The only parts up are the tractor Tyres from rolling and even they are very bare still. The field is still mainly brown.

Neighbor says it should still come and suggested a light rolling again as it’s a little loose on top.

Any suggestions?

Water John

Will come. Sat oats in April, it has been very slow.

Reggie.

Dunedin wrote: »

Reseeded 9 acres on 7 May. It was dry going in and had no rain for the first two weeks or so but has had a fair drop since but it’s fierce slow coming.

It was disked twice and one good cut of power harrow, sowed and rolled. Soil samples taken beforehand and limed and fert accordingly.

The only parts up are the tractor Tyres from rolling and even they are very bare still. The field is still mainly brown.

Neighbor says it should still come and suggested a light rolling again as it’s a little loose on top.

Any suggestions?

It will come no bother. Reason the tyre tracks are up first is because it is more compacted there. The fact it got no rain for the first 2 weeks means it didn't germinate till it got rain which means it's about 2 weeks behind.

I bet you'll go out one morning and there will be shoots about 2 inches tall everywhere that will appear overnight.

That's the usual story with reseeds. Theres no way it didn't take. Absolutely lovely grass growing weather the last while

DO NOT roll it again because if its germinated you could kill the seedlings

raypallas

Dunedin wrote:

The only parts up are the tractor Tyres from rolling and even they are very bare still. The field is still mainly brown.

Have one the exact same with seed put in around the same time. Seed came up well at the headlands first after a very slow start after the dry weather, the rest of the field is coming along fine now. Put it down to the extra rolling when overlapping turning at the headlands. Give it time.

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

It will come no bother. Reason the tyre tracks are up first is because it is more compacted there. The fact it got no rain for the first 2 weeks means it didn't germinate till it got rain which means it's about 2 weeks behind.

I bet you'll go out one morning and there will be shoots about 2 inches tall everywhere that will appear overnight.

That's the usual story with reseeds. Theres no way it didn't take. Absolutely lovely grass growing weather the last while

DO NOT roll it again because if its germinated you could kill the seedlings

Spot on Reggie. Dud one here around the same time. The headlands came up great and the rest of the field not so much, in the last 10 days more seed has germinated in the bare parts

visatorro

Anyone ever have bother with leather jackets?

Omallep2

Hi,
I have a few acres that I plan to reseed in autumn. Advice needed: there are docks in the field. Should i spray with dockstar when they come back post topping or just leave and kill with roundup application pre disc/stiching?

Reggie.

visatorro wrote: »

Anyone ever have bother with leather jackets?

Mainly just tillage lads that deal with them but are a surge once they get into a field. Could kill everything

Reggie.

Omallep2 wrote: »

Hi,
I have a few acres that I plan to reseed in autumn. Advice needed: there are docks in the field. Should i spray with dockstar when they come back post topping or just leave and kill with roundup application pre disc/stiching?

I'd just kill with roundup at the tail end of the year

Waffletraktor

visatorro wrote: »

Anyone ever have bother with leather jackets?

Shallow pass with disc and firm rolling.

Reggie.

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Shallow pass with disc and firm rolling.

Would rolling at night do anything or is that just for slugs

Water John

Ha Waffle, like any good chef, slice and squash.

High bike

Did a bit of reseeding in April unfortunately the weather didn't play ball and have a lot of weeds up. Sprayed with Legumex a week ago and have been advised to cut it rather than graze, a guy maintains grass will come back better after cutting .What do ye think?

visatorro

Reggie. wrote: »

Would rolling at night do anything or is that just for slugs

Talking to a lad recently who had to reseed again after leather jacket and crows. Never had any bother myself thank fook

RobinBanks

I done a bit of reseeding early May and put 4 bags of 10-10-20 to the acre out at the time. Would it be an idea to apply some Nitrogen in the next few weeks or is there any need? I dont plan on cutting it, will graze with a few sheep.

Markcheese

visatorro wrote: »

Anyone ever have bother with leather jackets?

There was a lad on here a couple of months ago, asking about dealing with them, he was plagued with them, and whatever spray he had used is now gone, (think he might have been in Clare)

Markcheese

visatorro wrote: »

Talking to a lad recently who had to reseed again after leather jacket and crows. Never had any bother myself thank fook

Would have though if there were enough leather jackets to ruin the grass, that the crows would have been after them, (more eating in a leather jacket than grass seed)

GrasstoMilk

RobinBanks wrote: »

I done a bit of reseeding early May and put 4 bags of 10-10-20 to the acre out at the time. Would it be an idea to apply some Nitrogen in the next few weeks or is there any need? I dont plan on cutting it, will graze with a few sheep.

Yeah I would. A bag of can or half s bag of urea in this weather

Waffletraktor

Reggie. wrote: »

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Shallow pass with disc and firm rolling.

Would rolling at night do anything or is that just for slugs

Couldn’t say, I’d be working it more so to make some tilt so it rolls together tighter.

High bike

High bike wrote: »

Did a bit of reseeding in April unfortunately the weather didn't play ball and have a lot of weeds up. Sprayed with Legumex a week ago and have been advised to cut it rather than graze, a guy maintains grass will come back better after cutting .What do ye think?

Any thoughts anyone who’s into reseeding??

GrasstoMilk

High bike wrote: »

Any thoughts anyone who’s into reseeding??

Cutting would be last resort.
What's the withdrawal on the spray?
I would graze and spray again a week later

Buford T. Justice XIX

High bike wrote: »

Any thoughts anyone who’s into reseeding??

Grab a bit of the germinated grass and pull. If the roots are solid enough in the ground so that the animals will cut the grass and not pull out the roots, I'd go in and graze it straight away.

Fertilise again and graze again around the 2 leaf stage and fertilise again.

You need to feed the new grass to make it grow and graze it to promote tillering.

High bike

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Grab a bit of the germinated grass and pull. If the roots are solid enough in the ground so that the animals will cut the grass and not pull out the roots, I'd go in and graze it straight away.

Fertilise again and graze again around the 2 leaf stage and fertilise again.

You need to feed the new grass to make it grow and graze it to promote tillering.

jit got 3 bags to the acre at sowing was just slow to take off because of lack of rain.Its growing well for the last month but theirs lots of weeds also,

High bike

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Cutting would be last resort.
What's the withdrawal on the spray?
I would graze and spray again a week later

2 weeks withdrawal for spray

Buford T. Justice XIX

High bike wrote: »

jit got 3 bags to the acre at sowing was just slow to take off because of lack of rain.Its growing well for the last month but theirs lots of weeds also,

What kinds of weeds? Annual weeds, I wouldn't worry about as they will be gone after grazing or cutting. If there's a lot of docks or thistles, I'd spray alright. If not, I'd spot treat them after grazing.

Tbh, I've never done a post emergence spray here, just graze and cut or spot treat any weeds.

High bike

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

What kinds of weeds? Annual weeds, I wouldn't worry about as they will be gone after grazing or cutting. If there's a lot of docks or thistles, I'd spray alright. If not, I'd spot treat them after grazing.

Tbh, I've never done a post emergence spray here, just graze and cut or spot treat any weeds.

good few docks in it and others I’m not sure what they are

Buford T. Justice XIX

High bike wrote: »

good few docks in it and others I’m not sure what they are

Spray so, I'd say. This is the best time to tackle docks and a bit of spot spraying afterwards will sort the remainder.

High bike

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Spray so, I'd say. This is the best time to tackle docks and a bit of spot spraying afterwards will sort the remainder.

have it sprayed a week ago am wondering should I graze or cut it??