The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

Buford T. Justice XIX

High bike wrote: »

have it sprayed a week ago am wondering should I graze or cut it??

Regular grazing and feed it well would be my advice. The guys who are well up on this on Twitter would graze at low covers regularly to tiller it and compete with weed grasses.

High bike

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Regular grazing and feed it well would be my advice. The guys who are well up on this on Twitter would graze at low covers regularly to tiller it and compete with weed grasses.

will prob go with that thanks

DJ98

What's the best spray to use to kill off a filed for reseeding? Plenty of thistles and rushes in the field, would these want to be topped first?

Siamsa Sessions

DJ98 wrote: »

What's the best spray to use to kill off a filed for reseeding? Plenty of thistles and rushes in the field, would these want to be topped first?

Glyphosate is the way to go...

"When you absolutely positively got to kill every mother ****er in the room" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxQNYPYFq1c

Ask in the local merchant or co-op and they'll have something for you.

Re thistles/rushes: I'd be inclined to spray first rather than topping. The danger if you top first is the spray will be absorbed by topped dead material instead of getting down to the stem and root of the plant. If the thistles and rushes are very tall, it might be worth getting someone in to mulch them 10-14 days after spraying. We did this when reclaiming a few acres last August and it was a great job.

cacs

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Glyphosate is the way to go...

"When you absolutely positively got to kill every mother ****er in the room" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxQNYPYFq1c

Ask in the local merchant or co-op and they'll have
something for you.

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Re thistles/rushes: I'd be inclined to spray first rather than topping. The danger if you top first is the spray will be absorbed by topped dead material instead of getting down to the stem and root of the plant. If the thistles and rushes are very tall, it might be worth getting someone in to mulch them 10-14 days after spraying. We did this when reclaiming a few acres last August and it was a great job.

I had a field the same. I topped it three or four weeks ago fertilised it with one bag to the acre of nitrogen. Sprayed it off with roundup at the weekend going to graze it right next week. Then disc

Buford T. Justice XIX

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Glyphosate is the way to go...

"When you absolutely positively got to kill every mother ****er in the room" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxQNYPYFq1c

Ask in the local merchant or co-op and they'll have something for you.

Re thistles/rushes: I'd be inclined to spray first rather than topping. The danger if you top first is the spray will be absorbed by topped dead material instead of getting down to the stem and root of the plant. If the thistles and rushes are very tall, it might be worth getting someone in to mulch them 10-14 days after spraying. We did this when reclaiming a few acres last August and it was a great job.

Ideally, for Roundup, you would want whatever is in the field to be growing well. If you're in a hurry, spray and kill everything now but you'll want to be spraying again after emergence.

Topping a few weeks before you want to reseed and hitting the rushes and thistles when they can absorb the Roundup best would be something to keep in mind when you're doing it again.

Parishlad

Post Emergence Spray......or lack of!

Reseeded a couple of acres earlier in the Summer. Was going to hit it with some form of post emergence spray after 6 weeks but that coincided with the turn in the weather and between hardly having a right day to go spraying and not wanting to tear up the ground with it being so wet, I haven't been able to spray.

The grass is strong now and could do with being grazed soon. There are a few docks in it and chickweed also. However, I have a feeling that I'd be wasting my time with post emergence spray so I'm trying to figure out what's the best plan. Should I just graze it and wait until next year to spray or should I chance spraying (if I get a fine/suitable day, which doesn't look likely at the minute)?

Reggie.

Parishlad wrote: »

Post Emergence Spray......or lack of!

Reseeded a couple of acres earlier in the Summer. Was going to hit it with some form of post emergence spray after 6 weeks but that coincided with the turn in the weather and between hardly having a right day to go spraying and not wanting to tear up the ground with it being so wet, I haven't been able to spray.

The grass is strong now and could do with being grazed soon. There are a few docks in it and chickweed also. However, I have a feeling that I'd be wasting my time with post emergence spray so I'm trying to figure out what's the best plan. Should I just graze it and wait until next year to spray or should I chance spraying (if I get a fine/suitable day, which doesn't look likely at the minute)?

Yeah just graze it

Parishlad

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah just graze it

Good man Reggie, thanks!

Reggie.

Parishlad wrote: »

Good man Reggie, thanks!

Grazing should sort out the chickweed

GrasstoMilk

Graze it and spray it early next year

Parishlad

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Graze it and spray it early next year

I suppose I need to be careful what spray I use next year. Aren't a lot of sprays not suitable for reseeds within 12 months or something along those lines?

GrasstoMilk

Parishlad wrote: »

I suppose I need to be careful what spray I use next year. Aren't a lot of sprays not suitable for reseeds within 12 months or something along those lines?

Pastor trio or forefront is what we use.
If you want a good kill on weeds you'll have to use those to.
Those sprays are not clover safe so you'll have to stitch it back in after

nhg

Pulling this thread back up as its packed with great information for anyone thinking of reseeding/stitching.

We plan on reseeding a percentage of the farm each year going forward, graze, spray off and a few runs of the Tine Harrow and seed on the last run followed by the roller. Also thinking of possibly buying a Disc Harrow down the line if needs be. Not ploughing as any fields that were ploughed here for reseeded are hard to drive on....

We have the rakeman 3000 3M with the APV air seeder and going to upgrade the air seeder to the pneumatic version any recomendations on which one we should be looking at.

Looking at the options of keeping the Rakeman 3000 (best thing that ever came into the place - still like new), selling the APV AirSeeder (got very little use) and adding the pneumatic Air seeder or selling the full setup we have and buying a new Rakeman 3000 complete with the pneumatic AirSeeder.

All suggestions welcome.....

Reggie.

nhg wrote: »

Pulling this thread back up as its packed with great information for anyone thinking of reseeding/stitching.

We plan on reseeding a percentage of the farm each year going forward, graze, spray off and a few runs of the Tine Harrow and seed on the last run followed by the roller. Also thinking of possibly buying a Disc Harrow down the line if needs be. Not ploughing as any fields that were ploughed here for reseeded are hard to drive on....

We have the rakeman 3000 3M with the APV air seeder and going to upgrade the air seeder to the pneumatic version any recomendations on which one we should be looking at.

Looking at the options of keeping the Rakeman 3000 (best thing that ever came into the place - still like new), selling the APV AirSeeder (got very little use) and adding the pneumatic Air seeder or selling the full setup we have and buying a new Rakeman 3000 complete with the pneumatic AirSeeder.

All suggestions welcome.....

Most simple and cheapest seeder out there would be the guttler. Just plug in and go. Bit of setting up at the start but once done it's done forever. Cheaper and less electronics than the APV.

Think your in galway so if you got onto john in dolan industries he might be even to mount it if you bought off him.

nhg

KK/Tipp border...

Only going to be reseeding about 20-30 acres a year...

Priced the Guttler today after your post €10K + vat for the roller & seeder section. €16.5K plus vat for the full rig - only a 75 HP tractor so not a hope either way...

Don't think they make the 6m Rakeman anymore.

Reggie.

nhg wrote: »

KK/Tipp border...

Only going to be reseeding about 20-30 acres a year...

Priced the Guttler today after your post €10K + vat for the roller & seeder section. €16.5K plus vat for the full rig - only a 75 HP tractor so not a hope either way...

Don't think they make the 6m Rakeman anymore.

I meant the guttler seeder on its own to sit on the rakeman. About 4.5k

Water John

Reggie,€3K for the Rakemann 3000 and €4.5K for the seeder?
Tried the Dolan Industries website but blocked by ESET because of virus threat.

High bike

Quick question.Did a bit of reseeding 6/7 weeks ago and due to lack of rain it’s a bit slow taking off .Would it be ok to throw a few heifers approx 420 kgs into it or wait and cut it .Prob should be sprayed but thinking of grazing instead,what o ye think???

Reggie.

Water John wrote: »

Reggie,€3K for the Rakemann 3000 and €4.5K for the seeder?
Tried the Dolan Industries website but blocked by ESET because of virus threat.

Unfortunately thats the cost of the airseeder if ya want one. If going hydraulic add another 1k

Reggie.

High bike wrote: »

Quick question.Did a bit of reseeding 6/7 weeks ago and due to lack of rain it’s a bit slow taking off .Would it be ok to throw a few heifers approx 420 kgs into it or wait and cut it .Prob should be sprayed but thinking of grazing instead,what o ye think???

If its fit to be grazed then graze it. Dont think your supposed to spray in drought conditions.

High bike

Reggie. wrote: »

If its fit to be grazed then graze it. Dont think your supposed to spray in drought conditions.

was thinking that thanks

GrasstoMilk

I would leave it alone until it gets ⅚a good shot of rain. Grazing will stimulate it to grow and it will be under even more stress

nhg

Reggie. wrote: »

Most simple and cheapest seeder out there would be the guttler. Just plug in and go. Bit of setting up at the start but once done it's done forever. Cheaper and less electronics than the APV.

Oh Reggie what have you done......

Guttler Seeder (200 L) on its own is €4920 delivered - still has to be fitted after that to our own Rakeman 3000

APV MDP 100MI 5.2 box. GPs speed sensor €4060 + €350/€400 fitted to our own Rakeman 3000

Any experience/ knowledge of the Guttler Prismatic Roller (rear mounted) with seeder €12300

Would the Guttler Prismatic Roller be better than a Disc Harrow which the OH wants to buy for reseeding. We have a roller but rarely use it, we use the Rakeman instead.

Between adding the Guttler Seeder to our own Rakeman & buying a Disc Harrow there wouldn't be a whole lot in the difference of keeping the Rakeman as it is & buying the Guttler Prismatic Roller with seeder....

Will be selling our APV KS 40 M2 seeder - got very little use, nothing wrong with it except it's not great in windy weather.

Would love your opinion - the good, the bad & the ugly....

joe35

Question for ye. We sprayed off a field back in March, kind of a rushed job when we seen the good weather. Anyway the grass didn't strike so will have to re do it again.

The field was full of ferns and the grew back. I said we where too early spraying as the ferns weren't growing.

The father says that round up is no good on ferns anyway as the root is too deep.

So question is does round up kill ferns

joe35

And another question. How long would you want to leave the field before you cultivate it? TIA

Siamsa Sessions

joe35 wrote: »

So question is does round up kill ferns

As far as I've ever seen, round-up kills everything.

Re the roots on ferns: pull up a few and you'll see if they're deep or not then.

Reggie.

joe35 wrote: »

And another question. How long would you want to leave the field before you cultivate it? TIA

Usually min 10 days but 3 weeks gives abit of time for the weeds to die

AntrimGlens

joe35 wrote: »

Question for ye. We sprayed off a field back in March, kind of a rushed job when we seen the good weather. Anyway the grass didn't strike so will have to re do it again.

The field was full of ferns and the grew back. I said we where too early spraying as the ferns weren't growing.

The father says that round up is no good on ferns anyway as the root is too deep.

So question is does round up kill ferns

Answer is no, you want Asulam or what was Asulox. Only problem is that its been pulled from the market unless you're spraying by helicopter, it's not available for spot spraying or tractor spraying. Go figure! :rolleyes:

Baalbec10

I am looking for some advice and have checked the thread but I am not sure my particular query has been answered. I will be cutting 6 acres for silage towards the end of week. I am looking at stiching in grass seed to help the old sward after cutting. We have a full tank of watery slurry and being a small farm this is our opportunity to get out all the slurry in one go on these fields and a few more grazed fields. This will be done by the contractor using the trailing shoe. I read its best to put out 0-7-30 but would it be OK to put out the slurry at maybe 2000 gallons on these fields, if we drill in one direction, criss cross with the trailing shoe. graze every 2-3 weeks then for the next 3 rounds and hope for a good take. Any advice greatly appreciated.

joe35

I think spreading of lime is important after seeding. There is more knowledgeable people than me on this thread

wrangler

Baalbec10 wrote: »

I am looking for some advice and have checked the thread but I am not sure my particular query has been answered. I will be cutting 6 acres for silage towards the end of week. I am looking at stiching in grass seed to help the old sward after cutting. We have a full tank of watery slurry and being a small farm this is our opportunity to get out all the slurry in one go on these fields and a few more grazed fields. This will be done by the contractor using the trailing shoe. I read its best to put out 0-7-30 but would it be OK to put out the slurry at maybe 2000 gallons on these fields, if we drill in one direction, criss cross with the trailing shoe. graze every 2-3 weeks then for the next 3 rounds and hope for a good take. Any advice greatly appreciated.

I'd spread slurry with a splash plate, the idea of slurry is to ensure contact with the soil ,trailing shoe will only work where it goes and might even hamper germination

Reggie.

Baalbec10 wrote: »

I am looking for some advice and have checked the thread but I am not sure my particular query has been answered. I will be cutting 6 acres for silage towards the end of week. I am looking at stiching in grass seed to help the old sward after cutting. We have a full tank of watery slurry and being a small farm this is our opportunity to get out all the slurry in one go on these fields and a few more grazed fields. This will be done by the contractor using the trailing shoe. I read its best to put out 0-7-30 but would it be OK to put out the slurry at maybe 2000 gallons on these fields, if we drill in one direction, criss cross with the trailing shoe. graze every 2-3 weeks then for the next 3 rounds and hope for a good take. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Is the field getting sprayed off first?
What method of stitching

blue5000

Baalbec10 wrote: »

I am looking for some advice and have checked the thread but I am not sure my particular query has been answered. I will be cutting 6 acres for silage towards the end of week. I am looking at stiching in grass seed to help the old sward after cutting. We have a full tank of watery slurry and being a small farm this is our opportunity to get out all the slurry in one go on these fields and a few more grazed fields. This will be done by the contractor using the trailing shoe. I read its best to put out 0-7-30 but would it be OK to put out the slurry at maybe 2000 gallons on these fields, if we drill in one direction, criss cross with the trailing shoe. graze every 2-3 weeks then for the next 3 rounds and hope for a good take. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Do a soil test, it only costs about 1/3 the price of a bag of grass seed.

Baalbec10

Reggie. wrote: »

Is the field getting sprayed off first?
What method of stitching

No it won't be sprayed off, we just want to take the chance to add in new grass varieties. Fields were soil tested this spring and pH is perfect and indexes were very good. It will be direct drilled in to slots cut in the field and the seed blown in. Just over a bag an acre. This was just a thought as conditions are good and we have a chance to do a large area for us. The slurry has to go out regardless and it will be by trailing shoe so if we could get a few acres of new grass stitched in it would work out well. If ye think the slurry will effect the seedlings coming on well we will leave it until next spring and just spread slurry after the silage. Thnaks again for the responses.

Water John

As a matter of interest, what would people think of putting the grass seed into the slurry?

Dunedin

Water John wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what would people think of putting the grass seed into the slurry?

Couldn’t see coming out very even.

Reggie.

Baalbec10 wrote: »

No it won't be sprayed off, we just want to take the chance to add in new grass varieties. Fields were soil tested this spring and pH is perfect and indexes were very good. It will be direct drilled in to slots cut in the field and the seed blown in. Just over a bag an acre. This was just a thought as conditions are good and we have a chance to do a large area for us. The slurry has to go out regardless and it will be by trailing shoe so if we could get a few acres of new grass stitched in it would work out well. If ye think the slurry will effect the seedlings coming on well we will leave it until next spring and just spread slurry after the silage. Thnaks again for the responses.

If your going that way itll get soil contact no bother. Make sure the slurry is watery but not trailing shoe as it could smother out some of the seed. Splash plate would be better.

No N at all only 0 7 30 as N will cause the old grass to smother out the new seedlings. Tbh its nearly abit early to stitch on once the grass ain't sprayed off as there is still great growth out there for the old pasture. You might be better off waiting for the second cut or later in the year.

If ya go ahead dont let the grass grow more than 1000 cover before grazing or roughly 2 weeks. After about 3 grazings then you can apply N as the new grass should be ready to go.

Make sure you get the stitching grass mix. Itll mainly consist of tetraploids and these are fast growing varieties like abergain

Earnshaw

Is it OK to graze a newly reseeded field with weanlings?

I've read that new pasture that has been ploughed will be devoid of a lot of nutrients and the cattle will end up getting sick if left too long in it.

Say my name

Earnshaw wrote: »

Is it OK to graze a newly reseeded field with weanlings?

I've read that new pasture that has been ploughed will be devoid of a lot of nutrients and the cattle will end up getting sick if left too long in it.

It'll be quite the opposite.
The newly reseeded field will be the cleanest pasture free from parasites you'll get. The wealings will thrive on it.
That grass the same as any new plant will be full of vitality and have access to all the minerals that are turned up with the sod.
The only cavaet and it may be where you're reading material came from is the ploughing exposes organic/carbon to an aerobic environment and with that bound nitrogen is released when that carbon turns to carbon dioxide. If you apply much artificial nitrogen on top of that after it can lead to scouring of the animals grazing that sward.

Siamsa Sessions

I’m going to broadcast clover seed today on a field that had silage cut off it last week. Rate will be 2kg/acre.

Will try to get watery slurry off a dairy neighbour but if he’s not around, I’ll probably graze it with cattle in a fortnight to give the clover seedlings/shoots a chance.

Don’t plan on spreading any fertiliser on it. It’s only 5 acres so couldn’t justify buying a ton of 0-7-30.

Anything else I can do to help the clover get established?

Reggie.

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I’m going to broadcast clover seed today on a field that had silage cut off it last week. Rate will be 2kg/acre.

Will try to get watery slurry off a dairy neighbour but if he’s not around, I’ll probably graze it with cattle in a fortnight to give the clover seedlings/shoots a chance.

Don’t plan on spreading any fertiliser on it. It’s only 5 acres so couldn’t justify buying a ton of 0-7-30.

Anything else I can do to help the clover get established?

You broadcasting with a fert spreader

Siamsa Sessions

Reggie. wrote: »

You broadcasting with a fert spreader

Yeah, it was with a fertiliser spreader. Went OK in that the seed was spread evenly enough over the 5 acres. Raining here now so hopefully that’ll help

Reggie.

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Yeah, it was with a fertiliser spreader. Went OK in that the seed was spread evenly enough over the 5 acres. Raining here now so hopefully that’ll help

2kg an acre would have been way too heavy in my mind

Siamsa Sessions

Reggie. wrote: »

2kg an acre would have been way too heavy in my mind

Ok, noted for future reference. I followed “recommended rates” in the IFJ and on a few seed seller websites. I was assuming they were advising the max rate (that is, highest sales!) as usual.

But this was my first time trying it, and it’s only 5 acres, so I don’t mind too much being caught a little bit this time.

Reggie.

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Ok, noted for future reference. I followed “recommended rates” in the IFJ and on a few seed seller websites. I was assuming they were advising the max rate (that is, highest sales!) as usual.

But this was my first time trying it, and it’s only 5 acres, so I don’t mind too much being caught a little bit this time.

Yeah 2kg per acre is max. Usually you aim for 1kg as itll spread naturally itself. Anymore than 2 kg a head and you could have issues with bloat or the clover smothering out the grass

RobinBanks

anyone every spray silage grass with roundup before mowing? heard Teagasc on about it before. I am going to reseed a meadow that will be cut in the next week or so.

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah 2kg per acre is max. Usually you aim for 1kg as itll spread naturally itself. Anymore than 2 kg a head and you could have issues with bloat or the clover smothering out the grass

2kg fine for over sowing.
1kg fir reseeding

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

2kg fine for over sowing.
1kg fir reseeding

Way too heavy as clover can be already in the swarth.

Reggie.

RobinBanks wrote: »

anyone every spray silage grass with roundup before mowing? heard Teagasc on about it before. I am going to reseed a meadow that will be cut in the next week or so.

Yeah but it has to be cut on the 7th day. Not sure why but that's the rule. No earlier or later. I'm sure someone will inform us why