The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

cacs

Reggie. wrote: »

Is the field for second cut or grazing

Grazing Reggie do you think will it work. I tore up a fair bit of tatch

wrangler

cathal irwin wrote: »

Grazing Reggie do you think will it work. I tore up a fair bit of tatch

I'm thinking of buying a harrow, was that just one run

cacs

wrangler wrote: »

I'm thinking of buying a harrow, was that just one run

Yea that was the first run. I am not sure how good spreading the the seed with the wagtail is time will tell I suppose

wrangler

cathal irwin wrote: »

Yea that was the first run. I am not sure how good spreading the the seed with the wagtail is time will tell I suppose

I'd be very interested in your results

cacs

wrangler wrote: »

I'd be very interested in your results

I won’t hold my breath. I gave everything to try and make it work I bought coated seed for overseeding aswell. Let’s see

wrangler

cathal irwin wrote: »

I won’t hold my breath. I gave everything to try and make it work I bought coated seed for overseeding aswell. Let’s see

I did a great job with a chain harrow for a neighbour on a horse paddock that was poached, got loads of clay up but yet it did'nt grow, it had to be the decaying vegetation because I used the same grasseed on a ordinary reseed at home

squinn2912

Reggie. wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Appreciate the answers might be on this thread already but did some reseeding last week. Got it rolled last weekend. Silage man advised me to roll it again when the grass is up a bit in a few weeks. What’s people’s opinions on that?

I wouldn't roll it till it's up a few months. Roll to early after it emerges and you'll kill the seed or at best stunt it

Aye my thinking is to let it grow away and graze it this year. Then roll in spring next year. Silage men are always mad for you roll your ground. If it was for cutting I might roll it after the bag stuff went on

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

Grazing Reggie do you think will it work. I tore up a fair bit of tatch

Yeah you should be ok at that. Once it gets soil contact. Just watch the regrowth with the 10 10 20. Keep it down. 0 7 30 would have been better but if you keep it well grazed then it should be well taken in about 6 weeks

Reggie.

squinn2912 wrote: »

Aye my thinking is to let it grow away and graze it this year. Then roll in spring next year. Silage men are always mad for you roll your ground. If it was for cutting I might roll it after the bag stuff went on

Always roll after seeding as this protects seeds from slugs but then leave it alone

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

Yea that was the first run. I am not sure how good spreading the the seed with the wagtail is time will tell I suppose

Hard to know cos if the ground ain't very bare it's hard to get the seed to contact the soil. Plus your not very accurate with a wagtail and you'll have wind interfence. Your only good for 3m with that method cos of the height

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

I won’t hold my breath. I gave everything to try and make it work I bought coated seed for overseeding aswell. Let’s see

Agritech?

greenfield21

Ha thought that was slurry

cacs

Reggie. wrote: »

Agritech?

Yep

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

Yep

Yeah used it many times. If it gets any chance at all it'll take. Thats the requvination mix?

cacs

Reggie. wrote: »

Agritech?

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah used it many times. If it gets any chance at all it'll take. Thats the requvination mix?

Yea it’s hard to know will it for the exact reasons you said. Let’s see

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

Yea it’s hard to know will it for the exact reasons you said. Let’s see

In future don't be afraid to rip the hell outta the ground.

Reggie.

wrangler wrote: »

I did a great job with a chain harrow for a neighbour on a horse paddock that was poached, got loads of clay up but yet it did'nt grow, it had to be the decaying vegetation because I used the same grasseed on a ordinary reseed at home

Id say you used the wrong type of grass seed

cacs

Reggie. wrote: »

In future don't be afraid to rip the hell outta the ground.

Yea I wasn’t over happy with the way the harrow tore up the ground. I would say it was to hard and the harrow couldn’t get a good bite into it.

cute geoge

cathal irwin wrote: »

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That looks good after only one run of harrow ,what type of harrow are you using .I would just add dont forget the few bags of gram lime!!!!

cacs

cute geoge wrote: »

That looks good after only one run of harrow ,what type of harrow are you using .I would just add dont forget the few bags of gram lime!!!!

I got a new jarmet harrow I am actually thinking of selling it. I went at that job yesterday took a half day work and I am not sure will it work. In my case it makes more sense to get a contractor in. I forgot about the gran lime and I not going to get time to go back to it for two weeks. Time is always the thing

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

I got a new jarmet harrow I am actually thinking of selling it. I went at that job yesterday took a half day work and I am not sure will it work. In my case it makes more sense to get a contractor in. I forgot about the gran lime and I not going to get time to go back to it for two weeks. Time is always the thing

What size tines are they? 8mm or 6mm. You need 8mm. 6mm are far too weak. That could be your issue

cacs

Reggie. wrote: »

What size tines are they? 8mm or 6mm. You need 8mm. 6mm are far too weak. That could be your issue

8mm tines it took up a lot tatch but not much soil exposed

visatorro

Bit I done is a mixed bag, part of it that was drained is doing well. The drier part is really struggling. Could be doing it again in August!

Mooooo

If stitching in or not ploughing the lime is very important as decaying veg on top will stop seed from germinating

Reggie.

Mooooo wrote: »

If stitching in or not ploughing the lime is very important as decaying veg on top will stop seed from germinating

Yep turns it acidic

Reggie.

cathal irwin wrote: »

8mm tines it took up a lot tatch but not much soil exposed

Try going at 90° to each run the next time

Can you adjust your tines?

Snowfire

Mooooo wrote: »

If stitching in or not ploughing the lime is very important as decaying veg on top will stop seed from germinating

Even in high ph soils.??

ganmo

Snowfire wrote: »

Even in high ph soils.??

The A in DNA stands for acid

Snowfire

ganmo wrote: »

The A in DNA stands for acid

What does the D and N stand for?

Say my name

Snowfire wrote: »

What does the D and N stand for?

Don't No.



(Defined as a nucleic acid). DNA.

ganmo

Snowfire wrote: »

What does the D and N stand for?

Di-Nucleic

Say my name

I'm going to be all smart now and not use Google and say..

Deoxyribonucleic acid.

ganmo

Poxy rNA

DJ98

Few questions on reseeding, to begin last time a field was reseeded here was over 20 years ago this would also be the last time it was limed.
Plan on beginning to reseed this year,l.

1. When would be the best time or is it gone too late?
2. Do you lime before or after reseeding?
3. Do teagasc advisors do soil tests?
4. How long after spreading fert can a soil test be carried out?
5. What's the best seed mix to use for sheep and cutting hay?
6. How much would it cost roughly per acre to reseed, all work done by contractors?

Sorry for the long post and thanks for your help.

cute geoge

I have a few fields to reseed old leys,this would be reasonable good land but after the last few wet years ,it tended to be heavy enough this spring and i just about able to graze it without poaching .I can imagine if i plough or power harrow, it will be impossible to graze if we get bad weather as it will be tender for a few years at least and i carry a high stocking rate.Would discing or grass harrow eg pallitine be the best option for me as i want to keep a tough skin ,i am also thinking of giving it a run of a sub soiler .The problem with the power harrow it leaves the top couple of inches very soft ,is this the same story with the discs

Reggie.

cute geoge wrote: »

I have a few fields to reseed old leys,this would be reasonable good land but after the last few wet years ,it tended to be heavy enough this spring and i just about able to graze it without poaching .I can imagine if i plough or power harrow, it will be impossible to graze if we get bad weather as it will be tender for a few years at least and i carry a high stocking rate.Would discing or grass harrow eg pallitine be the best option for me as i want to keep a tough skin ,i am also thinking of giving it a run of a sub soiler .The problem with the power harrow it leaves the top couple of inches very soft ,is this the same story with the discs

Discs leave the ground lumpy and that's with no bits of grass present.

If the ground is difficult then the grass harrow may be the best option

Reggie.

DJ98 wrote: »

Few questions on reseeding, to begin last time a field was reseeded here was over 20 years ago this would also be the last time it was limed.
Plan on beginning to reseed this year,l.

1. When would be the best time or is it gone too late?
2. Do you lime before or after reseeding?
3. Do teagasc advisors do soil tests?
4. How long after spreading fert can a soil test be carried out?
5. What's the best seed mix to use for sheep and cutting hay?
6. How much would it cost roughly per acre to reseed, all work done by contractors?

Sorry for the long post and thanks for your help.

1. You can reseed right up to Sept
2. You lime before the seed goes in preferably
3. No idea
4. I'd test a week or so before starting to reseed. Preferably you need to be over index 2. The higher the better
5. That's a question for the seed reps. They will have the latest up to date seed mixes. The seeds change yearly.
6. Depends on the method and what your local contractor charges for each part of the job. My system costs roughly €190ish per acre start to finish.

charolais0153

DJ98 wrote: »

Few questions on reseeding, to begin last time a field was reseeded here was over 20 years ago this would also be the last time it was limed.
Plan on beginning to reseed this year,l.

1. When would be the best time or is it gone too late?
2. Do you lime before or after reseeding?
3. Do teagasc advisors do soil tests?
4. How long after spreading fert can a soil test be carried out?
5. What's the best seed mix to use for sheep and cutting hay?
6. How much would it cost roughly per acre to reseed, all work done by contractors?

Sorry for the long post and thanks for your help.

We normally do it during august..anytime works so long as theyre is moisture. Wouldnt recommend doing it after 1st week of september
Can lime before and after depending on lime requirements.
They do
3-6months
Top5 extend with clover or similiar.
Teagasc say 300/acre.

No point in reseeding if youre not going to feed it to its potential and if you dont have enough stock to eat it

DJ98

charolais0153 wrote: »

No point in reseeding if youre not going to feed it to its potential and if you dont have enough stock to eat it

What do you mean by feed it to its potential?

Reggie.

DJ98 wrote: »

What do you mean by feed it to its potential?

Going out a few weeks later with 10-10-20 to keep it fed.

older by the day

DJ98 wrote: »

What do you mean by feed it to its potential?

That's a point, easy for advisers to talk about 14 tonne of grass yield per year, but that's in a well stocked well managed farm, the good grasses won't be long overtaken by weeds and less productive grasses if you don't keep on top of it, ie. Grazing tight, proper lime and fertilizer, and spraying weeds. I've seen neighbours spend loads on reclaiming and reseeding and then understocking. They should have just stayed inside and watched Scooby doo

charolais0153

DJ98 wrote: »

What do you mean by feed it to its potential?

Needs fertiliser after every grazing damn near.

raypallas

cute geoge wrote:

I have a few fields to reseed old leys,this would be reasonable good land but after the last few wet years ,it tended to be heavy enough this spring and i just about able to graze it without poaching .I can imagine if i plough or power harrow, it will be impossible to graze if we get bad weather as it will be tender for a few years at least and i carry a high stocking rate.Would discing or grass harrow eg pallitine be the best option for me as i want to keep a tough skin ,i am also thinking of giving it a run of a sub soiler .The problem with the power harrow it leaves the top couple of inches very soft ,is this the same story with the discs

Would you mole plough it, to improve the drainage and then chance your reseeding by power harrow or tine harrow?

Reggie.

raypallas wrote: »

Would you mole plough it, to improve the drainage and then chance your reseeding by power harrow or tine harrow?

Can be done. We did it this year

squinn2912

charolais0153 wrote: »

DJ98 wrote: »

What do you mean by feed it to its potential?

Needs fertiliser after every grazing damn near.

And if not ate out then topper even if toppers don’t do an ideal job. I’ve got a group of 51 gnawing through fields and regrowth is good. Other ground not ate to the stump by forward cattle and doing little compared

squinn2912

Reggie. wrote: »

raypallas wrote: »

Would you mole plough it, to improve the drainage and then chance your reseeding by power harrow or tine harrow?

Can be done. We did it this year

Runs into big money. We’d 2 fields in similar condition 2 years ago. Mole drilled one and if anything it’s doing less this year. Wouldn’t go for it again

Reggie.

squinn2912 wrote: »

Runs into big money. We’d 2 fields in similar condition 2 years ago. Mole drilled one and if anything it’s doing less this year. Wouldn’t go for it again

How ya mean doing less? Less growth?

It's a better alternative than cattle poaching the he'll outta the ground every year. That's why we did it in these spots

Hard Knocks

squinn2912 wrote: »

Runs into big money. We’d 2 fields in similar condition 2 years ago. Mole drilled one and if anything it’s doing less this year. Wouldn’t go for it again

Maybe drains need to go deeper in that field

squinn2912

No it worked well enough the field is dry and doing well just it came at a big comparative cost

FeelTheBern

charolais0153 wrote: »

Needs fertiliser after every grazing damn near.

+1 You'd really want to be planning on building up your demand (in terms of stock/silage) and your indexes before your go reseeding. Waste of money unless your going to constantly push the grass with fertiliser and more importantly make use of it.