Cork developments

fonecrusher1

hot buttered scones wrote: »

Would anyone like to start a petition in favour of the tower?

I'd gladly sign it. Its a good idea actually. If the whingers can start a petition then so can the pro tower folks.

j8wk2feszrnpao

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I'd gladly sign it. Its a good idea actually. If the whingers can start a petition then so can the pro tower folks.

He got less than 1% of the city population to sign a petition? Probably an online thing where he's gotten certain consistent moaners to sign up and use it anytime a spade is threaten to be put into the ground. He's irrelevant.

marno21

On the Prism from SSC:

From the consultation today, the developers are about to enter a 4 week tender period for construction and once someone is appointed they'll need a couple of weeks to finalise plans. After that they need to sort out substation and other small issues. They expect shovels in ground by October latest

They mentioned that they could fill it in the morning. Companies are crying out for offices like these in Cork apparently

On the Docklands tower:

Just visited the exhibition: Quick summary. 140m total height. 34 storeys. About 240 bedrooms but total not finalised as depends on layout. Restaurant on 33rd floor with sky bar and terrace on 34th. (Terrace looks like it’ll be amazing). Swimming pool and spa on 5th and 6th floors, basically where the tower widens out from its basic footprint

Office space in the upper floors on the warehouses. The glass block at the end of the warehouses in the renders is the distillery, so big vats will be visible there through the glass. Tower Holdings are here to say. I asked if they feel they'll get permission and they said they are very confident and wouldn't be spending the money if they thought it wasn't viable. They have no additional sites in Cork bought or earmarked for development but are constantly looking. These will not be their last projects here and they will only specialise in high rise and slender builds. Very good consultation today.

leahyl

marno21 wrote: »

On the Prism from SSC:

From the consultation today, the developers are about to enter a 4 week tender period for construction and once someone is appointed they'll need a couple of weeks to finalise plans. After that they need to sort out substation and other small issues. They expect shovels in ground by October latest

They mentioned that they could fill it in the morning. Companies are crying out for offices like these in Cork apparently

On the Docklands tower:

Just visited the exhibition: Quick summary. 140m total height. 34 storeys. About 240 bedrooms but total not finalised as depends on layout. Restaurant on 33rd floor with sky bar and terrace on 34th. (Terrace looks like it’ll be amazing). Swimming pool and spa on 5th and 6th floors, basically where the tower widens out from its basic footprint

Office space in the upper floors on the warehouses. The glass block at the end of the warehouses in the renders is the distillery, so big vats will be visible there through the glass. Tower Holdings are here to say. I asked if they feel they'll get permission and they said they are very confident and wouldn't be spending the money if they thought it wasn't viable. They have no additional sites in Cork bought or earmarked for development but are constantly looking. These will not be their last projects here and they will only specialise in high rise and slender builds. Very good consultation today.

Sounds great marno! A restaurant on the 34th floor :-O and a terrace - really exciting, hoping it doesn’t get too many objections when it goes for planning.

Were there many people at the consultation?

opus

Called in myself but all the action was over as hardly anybody left there around 1:30. Took these two pics, that rooftop bar/restaurant would be class!

leahyl

opus wrote: »

Called in myself but all the action was over as hardly anybody left there around 1:30. Took these two pics, that rooftop bar/restaurant would be class!

:-O omg that restaurant/bar - I’d be up there every weekend!

the dark phantom

the beer revolu wrote: »

John Adams.
Failed politician.
Sh1te painter.
General knob head.
Go away.

The 'big celebrity' up in Henchy's bar in St Lukes, An absolute tool of the highest order.

fonecrusher1

Sky bar on the 34th floor. How cool does that sound. Please build this.:)

Roger Hassenforder

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Sky bar on the 34th floor. How cool does that sound. Please build this.:)

Jackeens be ragin!

Kermit.de.frog

opus wrote: »

Called in myself but all the action was over as hardly anybody left there around 1:30. Took these two pics, that rooftop bar/restaurant would be class!

marno21

Excellent thread on Twitter from CorkCraneCount

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1149999960345198593

namloc1980

All seems too good to be true to be honest.

snotboogie

namloc1980 wrote: »

All seems too good to be true to be honest.

I think we'll know by the end of the year. The statements about The Prism were pretty definitive, if that doesn't start I'd be very sceptical of this project. If it does you'd have to say that these guys are serious.

questionmark?

namloc1980 wrote: »

All seems too good to be true to be honest.

If we see the Prism construction start we will then know these boys are serious then this has a chance.

Burty330

Amazing there are people out there who will activity stand in the way developing of their own city which greatly impacts future generations as well as a host of other beneficial factors all because of what they deem to be "aesthetically unappealing".

I know heritage sites have to be maintained as well , but compromises must be made in times when developing infrastructure is vital for improving the standards of living for every corkonian now and in the future

These begrudges and naysayers should be frog marched out of any debate regarding the development of this city:)

Lackadaisical

Sure in Paris there was absolute uproar about the Eiffel Tower when it went up. It's now an icon of the city, more recognisable than Notre Dame de Paris or anything else in the city.

There are always conservatives who want nothing to change. It's about striking a balance between those charging ahead without any thought and those who would rather treat a city like a stamp collection of old structures, never to be changed.

chalkitdown1

Burty330 wrote: »

Amazing there are people out there who will activity stand in the way developing of their own city which greatly impacts future generations as well as a host of other beneficial factors all because of what they deem to be "aesthetically unappealing".

I know heritage sites have to be maintained as well , but compromises must be made in times when developing infrastructure is vital for improving the standards of living for every corkonian now and in the future

These begrudges and naysayers should be frog marched out of any debate regarding the development of this city:)

Check out the crane count twitter thread from the last page.

Some people in the comments complaining about it ruining the view of the northside and other such nonsense. Absolute dinosaurs who want the city to never grow or change.

Also, Neil Prendeville's retweeted the stroy and you can see similar replies under that tweet.

D'Agger

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Sure in Paris there was absolute uproar about the Eiffel Tower when it went up. It's now an icon of the city, more recognisable than Notre Dame de Paris or anything else in the city.

There are always conservatives who want nothing to change. It's about striking a balance between those charging ahead without any thought and those who would rather treat a city like a stamp collection of old structures, never to be changed.

I get your point and agree about striking a balance but I think it needs to be called out that you're comparing a hotel with a rooftop restaurant to the Eiffel Tower :pac:

Former Observer

Burty330 wrote: »

These begrudges and naysayers should be frog marched out of any debate regarding the development of this city

I'm not sure exactly to whom you refer, but I feel it's important to listen to both sides. It's an exciting time to live in Cork, and God knows development is sorely needed, but one wants to be careful too that we do it the right way.

You speak about aesthetics as if they're something almost superfluous, but aesthetics are key.We have a habit of constructing buildings that age poorly, look at Merchants Quay, No 6 Lapps Quay, The Jurys Hotel in town (ironic because people were complaining at the time about The Simon building which is much prettier now).

Of course not every building can be the Gluxmann, but we've finished a few projects in the last ten years which are rather promising: the New Civic Offices, the new Courthouse, One Albert's Quay etc.

Some of the complaints in this thread about people who have raised concerns are silly and mean-spirited. People are accused of only showing that they care about certain buildings after they are given notice that they are to be demolished which is a fairly dim thing to be whinging about.

Anyway, complex discussions need to be had and hopefully the right people will be involved to make the right decisions.

namloc1980

These councillors are the biggest joke going. They sat by while the public sector Port of Cork let the place rot and crumble but now are jumping on the bandwagon when someone is coming in to actually do something with the place. Embarrassing populism.

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j8wk2feszrnpao

Former Observer wrote: »

Some of the complaints in this thread about people who have raised concerns are silly and mean-spirited.

It’s largely been borderline silly ‘concerns’ that have resulted in the reaction.
People are largely supportive of incorporating/preserving many of the older distinctive buildings (or even ones like the R&H Hall which I personally dislike).
But the silly objections, and the defense (or plain ignoring) of silly objections (in a time of great housing needs) hurts the conservation side. Some maturity on that side would be great.

fonecrusher1

I'll be honest with you it boils my blood. The city has gathered interest from a number of of large developers and instead of welcoming them with open arms the 'opposition' groups immediately take the negative route. Even though most of these big projects have clearly shown they are willing to incorporate any existing historically significant buildings. What more do you want??!!

Its hard not to retaliate when I see such utterly petty, pathetic objections potentially drive away huge investment and rejuvenation. There is legitimate objection and then there is pathetic nit picking fear of change objection that should be ignored. And that' being polite. FFS someone has already mentioned the R&H silos being kind of beautiful or something along those lines. I'm at a loss. Is that to be the next foothold for a decent whinging? Save our silo! No to investment! No to jobs, no to badly needed small footprint high density living in a housing crisis.

The fact is some people don't want Cork to change for personal reasons. Ah sure its always been like this.... Its not good enough. Do ye actually want the city to rot for another few decades? Think of the bigger picture for the generations ahead and how you want Cork to look like for them.

CHealy

The vocal minority seem to get loads of print space, the likes of the Echo giving that artist fella a dedicated article is actually embarrassing, its like a version of the Craggy Island Times instead of a fair and level media center for a medium sized city trying to grow. Anyone Iv talked to be it in work, friends, family, are all for these proposals, and I think the vast majority of people in this city would be of the same thought process, its just the serial objectors seem to scream the loudest and get all the space. I take it the Echo didnt put out a dedicated article from one of the numerous architects or urban planners who fully support this project?

kub

CHealy wrote: »

The vocal minority seem to get loads of print space, the likes of the Echo giving that artist fella a dedicated article is actually embarrassing, its like a version of the Craggy Island Times instead of a fair and level media center for a medium sized city trying to grow. Anyone Iv talked to be it in work, friends, family, are all for these proposals, and I think the vast majority of people in this city would be of the same thought process, its just the serial objectors seem to scream the loudest and get all the space. I take it the Echo didnt put out a dedicated article from one of the numerous architects or urban planners who fully support this project?

While the management in The Echo wonder why people do not bother reading their paper anymore.

Former Observer

The Mary Elmes Bridge is very nice. They'd want to align the pedestrian crossing on McCurtain street a bit better with the little roadway that runs to it though. Fairly brave design, for Cork anyway.

fonecrusher1

CHealy wrote: »

The vocal minority seem to get loads of print space, the likes of the Echo giving that artist fella a dedicated article is actually embarrassing,

+1000

Spot on.

This is what annoys me. I don't care what a wannabe Z lister celeb artist (living in Cobh 20km away from cork city!!!) thinks of the tower proposal. You're living many miles away from the proposed buildings. Don't worry about it. Bit of free publicity I suppose.

Why don't they (the Echo) do an online survey or poll to really get peoples opinions? Actually do something worth while instead of shining a spot light on the minority whingers.

And for what its worth most people I work with, family & friends are all for the new buildings.

opus

There's a petition just started to support it!

https://twitter.com/julieoleary90/status/1151100904160026630

chalkitdown1

opus wrote: »

There's a petition just started to support it!

https://twitter.com/julieoleary90/status/1151100904160026630

Signed!

Lackadaisical

What's annoying me is that I'm actually a city centre resident and someone from somewhere else is trying to blocking a tower that I would welcome with open arms.

There's a huge opportunity to get the city to thrive in a way that it hasn't done in probably centuries. The majority of the docklands area at present is either under crumby looking warehousing or semi-derelict remnants of 20th century industry, most of which was never particularly well or thoughtfully built in the first place.

It would be fantastic to see those docks full of people and businesses and being used. At present they're effectively dead.

If this city doesn't go upwards and get the critical mass needed to function in terms of high rise housing and offices, it's never going to develop in a sustainable way. We can't just keep building outwards and acting like a country village that's morphed into a sprawling mess of hundreds of thousands.

Cork's at a juncture where it can either decide to become a real city or not. It's really as simple as that.

opus

Totally agree with you as a city centre resident as well, as I read somewhere online, we need to form a YIMBY group!