Cork developments

Markcheese

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

Mav11

Markcheese wrote: »

Why the hell would they knock it in the middle of the night ?

Less traffic, much safer?

s1ippy

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

SleetAndSnow

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

‘Nobody’ is a bit extreme. Know for a fact a lot of people here, people on skyscraper city and I know that almost 80% of my extended family when we were talking about it were in favor of it.

AugustusMinimus

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

Don’t talk for the rest of us. That building would look completely out of place in a development which is badly needed.

questionmark?

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there. That whole area of town is ugly and ruined.

Nobody is a bit over the top.

That whole site is wasted as it currently stands. The new development will see a couple of hundred apartments which are badly needed plus they bringing the historic railway offices and ticketing hall (which will become a bar/restaurent) back into use. This is a fine development that will benefit the city.

ShamoBuc

It had to go. Regeneration, new modern buildings etc it's great to see our City change and become more modern looking. We have had too little change for too long. Onwards and upwards. There are plenty of old and historic buildings in Cork still, while the City evolves.

high horse

questionmark? wrote: »

Nobody is a bit over the top.

That whole site is wasted as it currently stands. The new development will see a couple of hundred apartments which are badly needed plus they bringing the historic railway offices and ticketing hall (which will become a bar/restaurent) back into use. This is a fine development that will benefit the city.

Where are the historic railway offices? Is it the redbrick building by the traffic lights just past the sextant on the link road?

cantalach

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody wanted it knocked, nobody wants apartments there.

Absolutely untrue. I do. The building had no historic or architectural significance. We need a lot of homes in this country and high density development in or near the city centre is the most environmentally friendly way to do that. People living in city centres brings life to city centres.

snotboogie

The issue is that I don't see any indication that the apartments will be built.

SleetAndSnow

snotboogie wrote: »

The issue is that I don't see any indication that the apartments will be built.

JCD are usually good though, if it was BAM it would be a totally different story

whisky_galore

cantalach wrote: »

Absolutely untrue. I do. The building had no historic or architectural significance. We need a lot of homes in this country and high density development in or near the city centre is the most environmentally friendly way to do that. People living in city centres brings life to city centres.

Demolish all buildings in cork of "no historic or architectural significance" and you won't have much city centre left. I don't see what these glass things bring to the "architectural significance" table, all looking much the same.
They're hardly going to be affordable to rent when complete anyhow.

Justin Credible Darts

Good riddance to the sextant, as said it had no significance.

Would like to see connolly hall, grace church and a few other building in cork get tore down as well.
And that building by the train station that looks like its covered in a bin liner.....hideous

lawrencesummers

cantalach wrote: »

Way too big a development to put hi up there until there is clarity on badly needed infrastructural improvements, i.e. the M28 and the Southern Distributor route, esp. the part connecting Carr’s Hill with Donnybrook Hill. Douglas can’t take another 400 cars coming through the Fingerpost every morning and evening.

There is a road onto the south link from before Douglas Golf club that cars would use going out in the morning.

AugustusMinimus

lawrencesummers wrote: »

There is a road onto the south link from before Douglas Golf club that cars would use going out in the morning.

Those houses are nowhere near the South Link Road. Are you talking about going through Douglas and joining at Turners Cross?

Treehelpplease

those houses have to pass the slip road to the South RING road to get to the fingerpost which im supposing they meant. everyone calls it the link though as it no longer acts as a ring road around the city as the city has vastly outgrown it

AugustusMinimus

Treehelpplease wrote: »

those houses have to pass the slip road to the South RING road to get to the fingerpost which im supposing they meant. everyone calls it the link though as it no longer acts as a ring road around the city as the city has vastly outgrown it

That’s not even the South Ring Road. It’s the N28.

Treehelpplease

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

That’s not even the South Ring Road. It’s the N28.

For 800 metres (or 1.4 km if you count the start of the 100kmh section the end of the n28). While yes people are technically on the n28, its for a very short section and can only be used to access the n 40 so i still consider it the link and everyone I know does too. its all technically the n28 Cork-Ringaskiddy Road, n40 Cork South Ring Road and n27 South City Link Road, yet i bet no one outside of people actively knowledgable about roads call any of them that. and thats because the ring road name no longer matches reality as a large percentage of the south city is based outside the ring road. And for most people living in cork its used as a "link" to get from the outer city to get to the inner city (wilton, mahon, ballypheane, etc) or the city centre. this may change when the m40 is closed off to most exits to the residential areas of the city and becomes used as an actual bypass of the city

TheChizler

Whether it's common to call all those roads the link or not, you must understand that it's confusing for others when you're talking about a specific area but using a description that you insist could mean anywhere on ~10km of roads. Everyone knows what the South Link, South Ring and Carrs Hill refer to, use those, nobody's insisting on the full legal name and road number.

Treehelpplease

No with that I agree and im not trying to say anyone is wrong for using the correct name. i was just talking about the post Augustus made about it not being the link. yes, its not but its clear what the person meant

Brussels Sprout

What the story with Navigation Square Building #2. I walked past it earlier and each floor just had a big logo of the various construction companies in the windows. Didn't seem they were furnished either. That's been finished since way before lockdown right? Any sign of any tenants moving in there?

sheff_

high horse wrote: »

Where are the historic railway offices? Is it the redbrick building by the traffic lights just past the sextant on the link road?

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Justin Credible Darts

sheff_ wrote: »

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Indeed, people have this romantic notion that every pub is some historic building

Treehelpplease

newspapers here use the words historic and iconic so loosely.

fonecrusher1

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

namloc1980

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

Almost all the commentary from people lamenting the knocking off the Sextant revolved around how they had a great night out there at some point or that the pints were very nice there. Very very few mentions of its architectural merits. Says it all really.

TheChizler

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Delighted to see it knocked. Progress is a good thing. Amazing how it gained the status historic / iconic the minute someone wants to use the site for a new building taller than 3 floors. :rolleyes:

Objecting for the sake of objecting.

There are loads and loads of other genuinely historic buildings in the city. You'd think the sextant was the only old building in Cork.

It's been listed on the NIAH site for a good while, it had some architectural merits, not enough to keep it though: https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20508014/the-sextant-albert-quay-albert-street-cork-city-cork-city-cork-city

No need to be so dismissive of other people's opinions, they're as valid as your own.

Diziet

sheff_ wrote: »

Directly behind the sextant site, before you cross the road to the old redbrick tram buildings. So much fuss over the sextant because people enjoyed a pint there, yet if the station and adjoining building which are far superior and historically more important were knocked we wouldn't have heard a sound from most.

Actually, there would be a lot of upset if these protected structures were knocked. The station and adjoining building have a lot of history.

The Sextant was just more visible, and a landmark in that corner. Initially, as it is part of an Architectural Conservation Area (ACA), the council claimed the exterior would be preserved. That clearly did not happen. It's all part of the fabric of the city, which is being eroded. It is perfectly possible to incorporate landmarks without flattening everything.

whisky_galore

Conserving some of the fabric of a city, developments and jobs aren't mutually exclusive, either/or. Some attractive European cities keep a historic centre, here we flatten, gut and stick ugly Dermot Bannon glass boxes on things.

Justin Credible Darts

whisky_galore wrote: »

Conserving some of the fabric of a city, developments and jobs aren't mutually exclusive, either/or. Some attractive European cities keep a historic centre, here we flatten, gut and stick ugly Dermot Bannon glass boxes on things.

give over....the sextant is hardly Notre dame, or some classic building of note.


It was a pub where people only liked it, not for its structure, aethetic look or anything, but because some people had a memory of drinking there.


sick of this "progress is evil" vibe so many have