Cork developments

Mav11

Slipperydodger wrote: »

A short walk around the new Penrose Dock development https://youtu.be/zi2ytn6i8d8

Wouldn't like to walk down some of those lanes at night!

s1ippy

Treehelpplease wrote: »

i think so far we are lucky ... glass ... glass ... glass ... glass ... glass

Fyp

the beer revolu wrote: »

Why is it that when people dislike a building they always seem to assume that everyone else feels the same?

Conversely, I really like R&H Hall, but I do understand that the majority of other people feel differently.

To me and many like me, it's a blank canvas

Tomtom364

Do people here who dislike the use of large quantities of glass in modern buildings (particularly office buildings) understand the major benefits of it with regards to energy consumption, environmental impact, running costs etc

Mav11

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Do people here who dislike the use of large quantities of glass in modern buildings (particularly office buildings) understand the major benefits of it with regards to energy consumption, environmental impact, running costs etc

We do.

Shedite27

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Do people here who dislike the use of large quantities of glass in modern buildings (particularly office buildings) understand the major benefits of it with regards to energy consumption, environmental impact, running costs etc

I'm looking forward to the boom in the absail-window-cleaner business

whisky_galore

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Do people here who dislike the use of large quantities of glass in modern buildings (particularly office buildings) understand the major benefits of it with regards to energy consumption, environmental impact, running costs etc

It ain't necessarily so.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/28/ban-all-glass-skscrapers-to-save-energy-in-climate-crisis

Tomtom364

whisky_galore wrote: »

It ain't necessarily so.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/28/ban-all-glass-skscrapers-to-save-energy-in-climate-crisis

Building a glass box that relies solely on mechanical air conditioning for cooling should be discouraged and challenged.

However combing a glazed facade with appropriate energy efficient methods can be very beneficial

One Angel Square, Manchester for example.

https://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/one-angel-square/


In fairness to the proposed developments, they tend to have the glass box look at least broken up a bit, The Prism and Port tower certainly are going glass box look, but Railway Gardens, Victoria road, Sextant Tower, Jacobs island all do a nice job of breaking up the walls of glass with other materials.

marno21

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40049207.html

While the move has been welcomed by some of the region’s largest developers, John Cleary Developments — which has planning for a 25-storey apartment building on the city’s south quays — said the 50% reduction alone won’t be enough to make apartment developments viable in the city centre.

O’Callaghan Properties asked for an increased reduction in charges in the city centre and docklands area to stimulate growth on brownfield sites but Ms Doherty said the scheme is designed to provide a stimulus for residential development specifically while still retaining the ability of the council to deliver identified infrastructure.

Should be a "by any means necessary" drive here to stimulate apartment building in the city centre. The external benefits of such a measure would far outweigh development contributions.

marno21

2 new residential development SHDs have gone in today. Both on the extremities of commuter towns

150 units (112 houses + 38 apartments) at Monacnapa, Blarney: www.monacnapashd.ie

113 units (59 houses + 54 apartments) at Maglin Road, Ballincollig: www.maglinshd.ie

Apogee

Echo wrote:

Quakeside Ltd submitted a planning application for the construction of a four to six-storey development which would incorporate office and hotel use at the former Moore’s Hotel site on Morrison’s Quay, as well as the conservation of a number of protected structures to accommodate office buildings earlier this year. It was initially granted by City Hall’s planning department but was subsequently appealed to An Bord Pleanála. The developer then withdrew the application and submitted a new one to Cork City Council in July. Quakeside Ltd has now been granted conditional permission for the latest development, which incorporates numbers 9 to 14 Morrison’s Quay, 5 to 5A Fitton St, 1 Keeffe St, and adjoining lands backing onto Catherine St and Keeffe St.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Go-ahead-for-hotel-and-office-development-in-city-centre-85e7ae4e-1891-44e2-ba13-16ba86ea8252-ds

Apogee

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/09/16/thursdays-papers-50/

cantalach

Apogee wrote: »

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/09/16/thursdays-papers-50/

Not one of them wearing a mask!

opus

Crows Nest's site yesterday.

ScrubsfanChris

neddynasty

cantalach wrote: »

Not one of them wearing a mask!

They're outdoors!

namloc1980

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Looks great. Such a shame the apartments on the adjoining site have been put on the long finger.

fonecrusher1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Looks great.

Hmm I dunno the mostly derelict land that was there had a sort of old charm about it.

Chris_5339762

Its an appalling monstrosity, doesn't fit into the area at all and even if there were other buildings similar in style, it would still look awful.

Treehelpplease

What is it supposed to fit into? One storey warehouses? ITs a brand new area. Every building everywhere didn't fit into its area until everything was built up around it. It's also incredible looking especially on the ground in person

Mav11

Will all this additional office space be needed in the near, middle future?

Captainsatnav

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Its an appalling monstrosity, doesn't fit into the area at all and even if there were other buildings similar in style, it would still look awful.

Ah jesus christ

Treviso

Mav11 wrote: »

Will all this additional office space be needed in the near, middle future?

Penrose dock is 75% full already

Mav11

Treviso wrote: »

Penrose dock is 75% full already

Which means it’s 25% empty. I’d imagine most of those leases were entered into pre covid.

snotboogie

Mav11 wrote: »

Which means it’s 25% empty. I’d imagine most of those leases were entered into pre covid.

Most were announced post covid. 75% would be a decent return at any time. Saying that, Navigation Square across the way is struggling for tenants.

Mav11

snotboogie wrote: »

Most were announced post covid. 75% would be a decent return at any time. Saying that, Navigation Square across the way is struggling for tenants.

I just wonder is google walking away from a new development in Dublin, a one off or a sign of things to come?

https://www.thejournal.ie/google-dublin-property-market-5202251-Sep2020/

bingo9999

Hard to know at this stage - Microsoft just signed a huge lease for Dublin Landings to co locate with salesforce. Google may be back too, they could be using the breathing space they have at the moment to save for now and/or drive a better deal in a few months time. Im saying that hoping there is some rebalancing after covid, I think a remote or at least hybrid working model for the knowledge economy has proven itself and for personal and environmental, and *additional* office lease cost reasons theres upsides for everyone. I wouldnt like to be a hiring manager in the coming years for a company that insists on having people in 9-5 Mon-Fri.

Its good for Cork/rest of Ireland too if people who dont necessarily want to be in Dublin but whos company is based there to have flex to work remote and buzz up on the train for a few days a month

snotboogie

Mav11 wrote: »

I just wonder is google walking away from a new development in Dublin, a one off or a sign of things to come?

https://www.thejournal.ie/google-dublin-property-market-5202251-Sep2020/

That development seems to have been a stopgap for google while more space is being built for them at Bolands Quay. Hard to predict what will come but that story was blown way out of proportion imo.

mire

75% occupancy in an development upon completion in a scheme of this size in a pandemic in a city of Cork's size is remarkable.

The city centre has approximately 25,000 jobs in all sectors [2016 figures] - the 4 large office developments in recent years (Albert quay/Navigation square/Penrose dock/Horgan's quay) have capacity of around 10,000 to 12,000 office jobs.

This is probably equivalent to a doubling of the city centre's office employment in a very short time period. All of these jobs could have ended up in suburban office parks on greenfield sites.

Shedite27

bingo9999 wrote: »

Hard to know at this stage - Microsoft just signed a huge lease for Dublin Landings to co locate with salesforce. Google may be back too, they could be using the breathing space they have at the moment to save for now and/or drive a better deal in a few months time. Im saying that hoping there is some rebalancing after covid, I think a remote or at least hybrid working model for the knowledge economy has proven itself and for personal and environmental, and *additional* office lease cost reasons theres upsides for everyone. I wouldnt like to be a hiring manager in the coming years for a company that insists on having people in 9-5 Mon-Fri.

I get a feeling this WFH model was great for a few months but people are slowly getting itchy feet to move away from it. I know in my world, people are dying to get back to having people to go for coffee breaks, lunch, Friday pints etc with, so once they become an option again, people will be keen to get back a few days a week.

The bigger issue will be longer to develop. How do you manage a Graduate intake when everyone's working remotely. The coaching, training and showing people by doing is very hard to replicate remotely.

I also suspect there will be studies done as to the promotion opportunities from WFH, it's a lot harder to break down barriers and get to know people when you're only on Zoom calls.

RINO87

Unpopular opinion I know but WFH is driving me nuts...my home is just not cut out for it I work in tech and not having a separation between work and home is not ideal.

I'm not the only one feeling like this, office space is not going to go away - having a dedicated desk, maybe.