Cork developments

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draiochtanois wrote: »

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You just provided the evidence that you don't travel that route, or you would know of the traffic issues.
Thanks for that. Added to ignore list.

Apogee

Irish Examiner wrote:

A €30m affordable housing project on public land on Cork’s northside has been granted planning permission. The scheme in Blackpool, which will deliver 112 apartments, was one of several housing projects signed off by Cork City Council last night. Combined, the projects have the potential to deliver up to 200 units over the next 12 to 18 months.It is hoped that building work on the largest, the affordable and sheltered housing scheme on Thomas Davis St in Blackpool, will start within months.The proposed development is on a 1.32-hectare plot of public land on the site of the former Blackpool flats complex, which was demolished several years ago.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/30m-affordable-home-project-for-cork-city-871266.html

Irish Examiner wrote:

Plans for 135 housing units in one of Cork’s fastest-growing suburbs were sanctioned last night after councillors voted to allow the project go ahead on land zoned for business and technology use. Councillors voted 24-4 in favour of the material contravention to the city development plan, granting planning for the housing scheme on a site on the Bessboro Rd in Mahon, following assurances that the site has no connection whatsoever to the former Bessborough mother and baby home nearby.Bessboro Warehouse Holdings Ltd now have permission to build 135 residential units on the site in the Mahon Industrial Estate to include 24 houses, 64 duplex apartments, a three-storey apartment block comprising 20 apartments, and a four- storey apartment block comprising 27 apartments, as well as a creche. The site known locally as the former Ridge Tools site is adjoined by the RCI/Abtran premises to the north, known as the former Motorola site, and to the east by a vacant site in use in recent years as a sport pitch.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-city-council-gives-green-lightto-135-unit-housingscheme-871235.html

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/30m-affordable-home-project-for-cork-city-871266.html



https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-city-council-gives-green-lightto-135-unit-housingscheme-871235.html

Abtran destroys that area with 1500 people leaving work all at 17:00. Mahon needs another, less cluttered, junction with the South Ring

MrDerp

Deleted User wrote: »

So you drive that route regularly at any times between 07:30 - 09:00 and 16:30 - 18:00?

200 apartments will mean a lot more than 200 cars. This isn't going to be poor student accommodation

And Sunday's Well road is a car park at those times

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/planning-appeals-likely-at-corks-good-shepherd-convent-464562.html

Parking will be limited to 206 spaces.

MrDerp

Deleted User wrote: »

Abtran destroys that area with 1500 people leaving work all at 17:00. Mahon needs another, less cluttered, junction with the South Ring

Mahon might need it but the South Ring certainly doesn’t.

MrDerp

MrDerp wrote: »

Mahon might need it but the South Ring certainly doesn’t.

True enough but the single entrance for a suburb the size of Mahon (and the business park it spawned) was a crazy decision

MrDerp

Deleted User wrote: »

True enough but the single entrance for a suburb the size of Mahon (and the business park it spawned) was a crazy decision

Too much out of town office development on a pinch point. Unfortunately the south ring is constrained at both dunkettle and Douglas.

Perhaps a higher powered junction would help post dunkettle and m28. That and light rail!

AugustusMinimus

MrDerp wrote: »

Too much out of town office development on a pinch point. Unfortunately the south ring is constrained at both dunkettle and Douglas.

Perhaps a higher powered junction would help post dunkettle and m28. That and light rail!

It should have been built as a free flow trumpet.

Jacobs Island should have had access to Mahon via a second bridge which would have no access to the SRR.

Markcheese

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Abtran destroys that area with 1500 people leaving work all at 17:00. Mahon needs another, less cluttered, junction with the South Ring

Thankfully the NRA (or tii or whatever), have the Maín say about the the N40, so unlikely to be another mahon junction,(yes the existing one could do with a upgrade to free up traffic)

marno21

Re: the Good Shepherd Development.

We have a long road ahead if every new development in Cork is judged on its apparent effect on traffic and the car requirements of it's inhabitants. We need to move away from thinking around the car, especially with the forthcoming city centre residential developments.

The "traffic" effects of this development can be mitigated using reduced car parking, and improved pedestrian/cycle + public transport services. This site is quite close to the city centre so shouldn't be too much of a traffic generator.

In addition, residential developments aren't the worst for traffic generation, compared to a business park, as people will be leaving at different times to start work at different times.

marno21

Markcheese wrote: »

Thankfully the NRA (or tii or whatever), have the Maín say about the the N40, so unlikely to be another mahon junction,(yes the existing one could do with a upgrade to free up traffic)

TII (well when they were the NRA) have categorically ruled out a 2nd Mahon junction onto the soon-to-be M40. Their number one priority is maintaining the best traffic flow on the M40 as they can, and moving traffic from Mahon into the Jack Lynch Tunnel doesn't really agree with that idea.

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Re: the Good Shepherd Development.

We have a long road ahead if every new development in Cork is judged on its apparent effect on traffic and the car requirements of it's inhabitants. We need to move away from thinking around the car, especially with the forthcoming city centre residential developments.

The "traffic" effects of this development can be mitigated using reduced car parking, and improved pedestrian/cycle + public transport services. This site is quite close to the city centre so shouldn't be too much of a traffic generator.

In addition, residential developments aren't the worst for traffic generation, compared to a business park, as people will be leaving at different times to start work at different times.

You're always going to have choke points at bridge crossings.
Coupled with bad planning of putting Apple in such a place allowing it to massively expand without road infrastructure

Sunday's Well is an artery for traffic away from the city, making it worse will drive traffic back through the city, which is much worse.

Until the government agrees that public transport is a necessary service and not for profit, we're stuck with no real options for the thousands working in Apple CUH, CIT etc.
A regular orbotal route from a park amd ride, from the commons area to apple and on to CIT would be a godsend.
Could also be a depot for busses to town, saving traffic in Blackpool.

FG are more interested in selling off profitable routes, however

marno21

Deleted User wrote: »

You're always going to have choke points at bridge crossings.
Coupled with bad planning of putting Apple in such a place allowing it to massively expand without road infrastructure

Sunday's Well is an artery for traffic away from the city, making it worse will drive traffic back through the city, which is much worse.

Until the government agrees that public transport is a necessary service and not for profit, we're stuck with no real options for the thousands working in Apple CUH, CIT etc.
A regular orbotal route from a park amd ride, from the commons area to apple and on to CIT would be a godsend.
Could also be a depot for busses to town, saving traffic in Blackpool.

FG are more interested in selling off profitable routes, however

Well I fully agree on the road infrastructure. If you divide the city into 4 quarters of a circle with the radius being the N20, N22, N27 and N25, two quadrants have a motorway grade road connecting them (N22 -> N27 -> N25), N20 -> N25 has the North Ring Road, which isn't ideal, but the north western quadrant doesn't have one decent road connecting it and it's home to Cork's biggest employer.

Of course, the M40 North Ring West needs to be built pronto but nobody seems to want to push this at a national level to get it built.

Cork's public transport will improve if BusConnects Cork is implemented, however I can see significant backlash when there will be proposals to CPO front gardens and widen roads for bus lanes.

As for FG selling off profitable routes, where has this happened?

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Well I fully agree on the road infrastructure. If you divide the city into 4 quarters of a circle with the radius being the N20, N22, N27 and N25, two quadrants have a motorway grade road connecting them (N22 -> N27 -> N25), N20 -> N25 has the North Ring Road, which isn't ideal, but the north western quadrant doesn't have one decent road connecting it and it's home to Cork's biggest employer.

Of course, the M40 North Ring West needs to be built pronto but nobody seems to want to push this at a national level to get it built.

Cork's public transport will improve if BusConnects Cork is implemented, however I can see significant backlash when there will be proposals to CPO front gardens and widen roads for bus lanes.

As for FG selling off profitable routes, where has this happened?

Dublin AFAIK has had several routes go private. The more you take profitable routes away then the non profitable become more expensive
I am open to correction on this mind

marno21

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin AFAIK has had several routes go private. The more you take profitable routes away then the non profitable become more expensive
I am open to correction on this mind

They didn't go private, they were tendered out. The NTA pays the operator (Go Ahead) a fixed price for operating the bus route for a certain period of time. Go Ahead have no access to the revenue/fares, these are collected by the NTA. The fare rate is also set by the NTA, Go Ahead have no input.

It's not direct privatisation like some would have you believe.

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

They didn't go private, they were tendered out. The NTA pays the operator (Go Ahead) a fixed price for operating the bus route for a certain period of time. Go Ahead have no access to the revenue/fares, these are collected by the NTA. The fare rate is also set by the NTA, Go Ahead have no input.

It's not direct privatisation like some would have you believe.

No but the funds are with the NTA and no guarantee of CIE getting it.
It pushes CIE further into an unprofitable public image. It's the Tory tactic of the 80s UK, underfunding, break up, sell off

kub

Deleted User wrote:

No but the funds are with the NTA and no guarantee of CIE getting it. It pushes CIE further into an unprofitable public image. It's the Tory tactic of the 80s UK, underfunding, break up, sell off

No it's not, it is EU law in action.
The public routes in Waterford went out to tender last year, Bus Eireann won that one.
2 others did as well, the Dublin one which Dublin Bus lost to Go Ahead and also Kildare routes which Bus Eireann lost.
I think it is a great thing, public transport being taken out of the control and whim of self serving unions.

marno21

Deleted User wrote: »

No but the funds are with the NTA and no guarantee of CIE getting it.
It pushes CIE further into an unprofitable public image. It's the Tory tactic of the 80s UK, underfunding, break up, sell off

Yes but the routes being tendered weren't tendered on profitability. It was simply to provide expansion of overall bus services, Dublin Bus are operating the same amount of buses as before and the extra 10% being operated are additional services on the network.

There is no overall privatisation agenda here. CIE are perfectly entitled to tender for these routes and if they can't compete that's their problem.

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Yes but the routes being tendered weren't tendered on profitability. It was simply to provide expansion of overall bus services, Dublin Bus are operating the same amount of buses as before and the extra 10% being operated are additional services on the network.

There is no overall privatisation agenda here. CIE are perfectly entitled to tender for these routes and if they can't compete that's their problem.

CIE is a bloated mess (former personal experience) but what is being done is the same as happened to UK rail service.
We'll see how it plays out, I hope I'm proved wrong, I'm just overly cynical of such things

Apogee

Indo wrote:

The long-awaited and highly-anticipated sale by agent CBRE of 42.99 acres of prime residential development land in Douglas, Co Cork is expected to be hotly-contested by an array of developers. Located at Maryborough Ridge in Moneygourney, the lands are being put up for sale by Denis O'Donoghue of CBRE in a single lot and comprise an area of 18.65 acres with full planning permission for 198 houses and a creche, along with a further 24.34 acres currently zoned for medium-density residential use.

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/cork-lands-primed-for-housing-at-20m-37357608.html

deRanged

Some work starting at Railway Street yesterday. Is that preliminary work for the whole Horgan's Quay development?

snotboogie

Apogee wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/cork-lands-primed-for-housing-at-20m-37357608.html

198 houses plus a larger space of medium density (houses and apt mix), that should be somewhere between 450 and 550 units? That's added to the 450 units under planning in Carrs Hill and the 200 units under planning in Nemo. Potentially well over 1,000 new units in Douglas.

Slim Charles

snotboogie wrote: »

198 houses plus a larger space of medium density (houses and apt mix), that should be somewhere between 450 and 550 units? That's added to the 450 units under planning in Carrs Hill and the 200 units under planning in Nemo. Potentially well over 1,000 new units in Douglas.

No traffic issues in Douglas anyway so that'll be fine

snotboogie

October Update


Under Construction

Navigation Square: An OCP four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3,000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19' Clearstream to be the anchor client. Phase 2 commenced in Sept 2018.





85-86 South Mall: JCD's 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18' KPMG to be anchor client and Forcepoint taking the remaining space. Fully let out.





Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'





Student :

• Western Road/Muskerry Service Station (190 beds) has it's crane down and is nearing completion
• Bam's Beamish site (413 beds) has two tower cranes erected
• Copley Street (126 beds) should be finished by 2019
• Student Hub in UCC has one tower crane up.

Other:

• Marina Park: Under construction with first phase to open in Q1 2019. I'm very sceptical
• Industrial projects: Johnson & Johnson (biggest construction project in Cork), MSD, Eli Lilly (all above 100 million).
• Container Terminal for the Port of Cork: €80 million container terminal for the Port of Cork in Ringaskiddy. will initially offer a 360m with 13m depth to allow larger ships to berth at Ringaskiddy. The development includes the construction of a 13.5-hectare terminal and associated buildings as well as two ship-to-shore gantry cranes and container handling equipment. It is anticipated that it will become operational by 2020.

There are currently 6 tower cranes in Cork all listed above.

Planning/Appealed

Mixed Use:

Horgan's Quay: A joint venture between BAM and Clarendon featuring over 400,000 sq feet of office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, a 136 bed hotel and 3,000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Appeal withdrawn in April. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in August with the office and apartments commencing in 2019. Probably worth noting that construction was set to start in August but as of the end of September nothing has happened. However the Hotel Clients Oakmount have already named the hotel The Dean so I would really expect serious construction to start in October or November.



Sullivan's Quay: BAM's 12 storey, 180 bed, 47 metre, 4 star Hotel with 6 storey 120,000sq ft office space. Planning granted and immediately appealed. It is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. Full planning granted on June 29th. No start date for construction. Now three months with planning and little to no construction activity. Not time to get worried but one to keep an eye on.



Office:

The Prism: Time Square Construction's 15 storey, 70 metre, 60,000 sq ft office development on the triangle site on Clontarf Street. Planning lodged in the middle of May and a decision is due on the 10th of July. An Taisce objected on the 22nd of June. Further information requested on planning, however height doesn't seem to be an issue. Further information supplied on Spetember the 17th a decision is due on the 8th of October



Penrose Dock: JCD's 7 and 9 floor 250,000 sq ft office development in the area bounded by Penrose quay, Railway street, Alfred street and Brian Boru street. Submitted for planning at the end of May, decision due on 19th of July. Further information also requested. Further information supplied and planning granted on the 12th of September. Appeals allowed until the 11th of October. If this is not appealed JCD could be on site by Halloween.



City Gate Plaza: JCD submitted for planning permission for the construction of an office development at the former Ma/Comm Site. The proposed development includes two office buildings; Block A will be four floors Block B will be three floors over ground floor with terraces. The proposed development also includes a ground floor café and additional car parking. Decision due 28th of August. Planning has been resubmitted and a new decision is due on the 23rd of October

Hotel:

Parnell Place Hotel: 7flr, 165 bed hotel on Parnell Place and Deane Street. Submitted on Aug 6th, objections from residents on the 10th of Sept. Planning decision was due on the 26th of Sept.



Morrison's Island Hostel: 192-bed hostel. The development will include the demolition of a currently vacant building on the site after planning was granted to applicant Eoin Sheehan. Planning granted on the 4th of September.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No appeals and got full permission in April. Construction on the M boutique hotel to start sometime in 2019 and the Metropole will start once the M is completed. I have a bad feeling about this one, we are now 6 months since full planning and no movement. i wouldn't be surprised to see this go the way of Merchants Quay.

MacCurtain Street/York Street Hotel: 8 floor 73 bed hotel. Planning granted in March, appealed soon after and withdrawn at the end of April. Construction to start before the end of the year. Again nothing on this at all for 6 months.

Retail:

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, appealed with a decision due soon. (If somebody knows the date it would be great). No update on when the decision is due, again if somebody knows when this is due i'd love to hear. As of the end of July there is bizarrely still no update. Planning due on the 12th of September but has been indefinitely delayed

Residential:

Jacobs Island Apartments: 413 apartments across a couple of blocks ranging in size from 6 storeys to 9 storeys and one landmark 82.8m and 25 floor tower! This would be the tallest building in the state if constructed. Submitted for Planning with a decision due on October 10th

• 608 units, 496 houses and 112 apartments in Glanmire under Judicial Review
• 446 units, 259 houses and 182 apartments in Carr's Hill Douglas in fast track strategic planning
• 310 units in Cobh
• 203 units, 50 houses, 153 apartments on the Nemo site in Douglas approved in May
• 200 on the Good Shepard site
• 180 units, 164 houses and 10 apartments in Glounthaune

Entertainment

Cork Events Centre: BAM's 6,000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Construction put back to Q1 2019 at the earliest pending new planning permission. Quite a lot of waffle in July but ultimately nothing happened. Planning submitted on Aug 10th with a decision due on October 4th. An taisce have objected and will almost certainly appeal if planning is granted. There is also the not so small hurdle of central government funding. Expect this to rumble into the new year....



Student accommodation:

The old Crows Nest site (250 beds) got planning in March for 10 and 8 storey student accommodation and should hopefully start at some stage this year, UCC expect it open for Sept 2020.


The Square Deal (228 beds) appeal was withdrawn and it now has full planning permission.
Farranlea Road (145 beds) Has full planning permission as of July 2018
Kelleher Tyres site on Victoria Cross Rd (124 beds) and their 5 storey apartment block were asked for further information, decision due on the 7th of August. Further information was requested in August
O’Riordans Joinery (322 beds) was due for decision on the 24th of May but I've heard nothing?

Infrastructure:

N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Tender for this project has been awarded to Sisk. Preliminary works by the contractor will begin on site in Q4 2018 with full construction in Q1 2019. The scheme is expected to take 3/4 years to complete due to the complex traffic management involved.

M20 Cork-Limerick: This tender process for the design and planning of this scheme went out in April with route selection and initial design expected to begin in September 2018. The project, if approved, will likely start around 2022 and open in 2025/2026

N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney: The prequal stage of this is now complete with invitations to tender being sent out in July 2018. At present, a tender award is expected (but not confirmed) in Q2 2019 with a start soon after. Completion is expected to take 3 years.

N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project will be sent for appraisal in 2018 and if it merits will be prioritised for delivery. The scheme was at route selection stage when suspended.

M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was approved in full by An Bord Pleanala in July 2018, and Cork County Council intend to begin land purchase and issue tenders for advance works in late 2018. However, a local militant anti-motorway group in Rochestown intend to seek a judicial review on the project, which in their belief will lead to the destruction of their community and widespread health issues due to noise and air pollution, although their solution is to route the motorway through Ballinhassig instead which would add around €400m to the cost of the project and add upto 25km of a round trip for vehicles. Judicial review was awarded in September 2018, set a nominal return date to court of 4th October 2018, but this is unlikely to be the start of the hearing as the plantiff & defendant will need time to prepare their cases. Most likely early next year before the hearing commences but we'll see what fast tracked means in the high court.

M40 Motorway Reclassification and ITS Upgrade: TII & Cork County Council are currently engaged with consultants on this which would see motorway regulations being applied to the N40 and ITS equipment ("smart motorway" equipment) including display VMSs being installed on the length of the M40 and approach roads such as the N27 and N71. The study is ongoing with phased implementation expected on an as of yet unknown timescale.

M40 North Ring Road East: This project was included in the National Development Plan and will be reactivated if there is a requirement to connect the M20 to the motorway network around Cork. The road remains a priority for people on the Northside (including Apple) but not to central Government.

R624 Cobh Road dualling: Cork County Council are applying to DTTAS to have this road upgraded to a national road and a portion of dual carriageway built along its length which will involve the construction of a 2nd dual carraigeway bridge onto Great Island. The project will be initially appraised under DTTAS new appraisal guidelines, with no timescale yet for delivery.

In Limbo

Public:
Tramore Valley Park: Despite being mostly completed years ago the park remains in limbo with regard to an opening date. A few months ago Ann Doherty, chief executive of Cork City Council, said that the plan was to have the amenity open in ‘August or September.’ Now pushed back to 2019 or 2020, depending on funding...

N22 Macroom-Ovens (bypassing Lissarda and Ovens), N25 Midleton-Youghal (bypassing Lakeview Roundabout, Castlemartyr and Killeagh, M40 North Ring Road West and N71 dualling all remain suspended.

Retail:
Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. Planning resubmitted and a decision due on the 23rd of August. Planning granted and the site was put up for sale. We won't see anything for years on this now

Penny's Patrick Street: Last month Lawrence Owens of the CBA said “This planning process has been going on for a long time,” “When it happens it will transform the area, and bring vibrancy in terms of the size and scale of the project. We are just hoping that this development, which has been mooted for two to three years, can happen sooner rather than later.” Don't hold your breath!

Merchants Quay: Has had planning permission since July 2015.The last article I found on it was from 2017 and said: It is understood that work won't begin until early next year to minimise disruption to shoppers over the coming Christmas shopping period, though sources close to the development are confident that the work will be finished by late 2018.

Ikea: Announced as a certainty for Carrigtwohill by The Examiner late last year. Ikea themselves poured some water over it a few months later but confirmed they are looking for a site in Cork. Nothing since. Decathalon rumoured to also want space in Carrigtwohill.

Office:
OCP's Anderson Quay (150,000 ft2/ 5 stories) Has had full planning since sometime in 2016. No updates in the last few years. Perhaps if The Prism was to go ahead we could see something at Anderson Quay? It could possibly be developed in conjunction with the smaller phase two of OCP's Navigation Square?

Stone Work Properties' Camden Quay (65,000 sq ft/ 5 stories): Demolition work finished in Jan 2017 with Stone Work claiming "that once demolition was complete, construction would take just 12 months"

Watfore Ltd's Trinity Quarter (240,000 sq ft/5 stories): Has had planning since 2015 with very little news since. The last I can find of it was a March 2015 article which said: "There was confirmation that a €50m six-storey office block which has planning permission on the former Brooks Haughton site on Copley St, South Terrace, is going ahead within months."

All three office developments were mentioned in this article from August 2018.

Student Accommodation:
Gainstar Limited Partnership's Coca-Cola site (484 beds) on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened?

Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road (344 beds) has had planning for two years.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale in May. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity. Rumored to be a residential development with over 1,000 apartments. Sold to Glenveagh in June for over 15 million.

Transportation: A Cork light rail and/or BRT system got vague mentions in Ireland 2040 but its rumoured something more concrete will be announced at the end of the summer. Now pushed back to "sometime in October" with much more vague mentions of LRT and BRT.
Bus connects was allocated 200 million in funding in the 2040 plan.
The Eastern Gateway Bridge remains a concept

Going forward:

What to watch for in October:

4th of October: Events Centre Planning Decision
8th of October: The Prism Planning
10th of October: Jacobs Island Planning Decision
11th of October: Last date of appeals for Penrose Dock
23rd of October: City Gate Plaza Planning Decision
Sometime in Oct: Docklands Transport Plan
Sometime in Oct: Start of Horgan's Quay


Updated best case schedule:

Q3 2018: Navigation Sq phase 2
Q4 2018: Horgan's Quay, Sullivan's Quay, Crows Nest, Square Deal, York Street Hotel, Victoria Cross Student, Penrose Dock
Q1 2019: Events Centre, Dunkettle, The M, Jacobs Island, City Gate Plaza, Parnell Place Hotel,
Q2 2019: Victoria Hotel, The Prism

6 of the 16 developments are over 9 storeys tall (Horgan's Quay, Sullivan's Quay, Crow's Nest, The Prism, Jacobs Island and Penrose Docks) with Jacobs Island having two buildings over 9 stories, currently there are only two buildings in Cork over 9 storeys (The Elyssian and the County Hall). One would be the tallest in the state, another would make the top 5 in the state and another would make the top 15. These developments represent a potential seismic shift in the cityscape.

Obviously there is no way all 16 will even start, nevermind over this timeframe.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

October Update


Planning/Appealed

Student accommodation:
O’Riordans Joinery (322 beds) was due for decision on the 24th of May but I've heard nothing?

Did not An Bord Pleanala grant this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/student-apartments-permitted-near-corks-lough-despite-opposition-864400.html

Apogee

Evening Echo wrote:

A report issued by City Hall in response to a query from Fianna F councillor Tim Brosnan shows that there are 91 sites currently on the register, valued at a total of €19,921,973.51. There are three sites on the list provided that do not have an estimated value included, meaning that the total figure is likely to surpass the €20 million mark. It includes €1.2 million worth of derelict sites on North Main Street, as well as several major standalone sites, such as the former St Kevin's hospital and associated buildings, valued at €2.7 million; the former Murrayford site on Kyrl's Quay close to the Bridewell Garda Station, valued at €1.9 million; the former Vita Cortex factory on Kinsale Road, valued at €2.25 million; and a block of six buildings at Carmelite Place on Western Road, valued at €1 million.

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Corks-derelict-sites-are-worth-20-million-ae58db65-ee71-497c-923c-ea557c9800fb-ds

Not sure how significant it is, but St Kevin's 14 acre site is no longer listed on Daft or Lisney websites.

chalkitdown1

snotboogie wrote: »

Marina Park: Under construction with first phase to open in Q1 2019. I'm very sceptical

As well you should be. I was high up in the stands at the Liam Miller tribute game on Tuesday and there is absolutely nothing going on next to Pairc Ui Caoimh. Looked like pure jungle/swamp land inside the boarding they have erected all around the city end of the stadium.

marno21

Fair play once again snotboogie

Roads update .. bolded entries are updated since last post .. thanks for doing the M28 one in language that's far more PG than I would be able to manage.

N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Tender for this project has been awarded to Sisk. Preliminary works by the contractor will begin on site in Q4 2018 with full construction in Q1 2019. The scheme is expected to take 3/4 years to complete due to the complex traffic management involved.

M20 Cork-Limerick: This tender process for the design and planning of this scheme went out in April with route selection and initial design expected to begin in late 2018/early 2019. The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform have announced this week that this scheme is expected to start in 2021 and open in 2025, however this appears ambitious.

N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney: The prequal stage of this is now complete with invitations to tender being sent out in July 2018. At present, a tender award is expected (but not confirmed) in mid 2019 with a start soon after. Completion is expected to take 3 years.

N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project has entered the pre-appraisal stage along with 14 other schemes nationwide under a TII framework. This scheme may be one of the first to go to construction as it's a small scheme and pays large dividends for low upfront cost.


M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was approved in full by An Bord Pleanala in July 2018, and Cork County Council intend to begin land purchase and issue tenders for advance works in late 2018. However, a local militant anti-motorway group in Rochestown intend to seek a judicial review on the project, which in their belief will lead to the destruction of their community and widespread health issues due to noise and air pollution, although their solution is to route the motorway through Ballinhassig instead which would add around €400m to the cost of the project and add upto 25km of a round trip for vehicles. Judicial review was awarded in September 2018, set a nominal return date to court of 4th October 2018, but this is unlikely to be the start of the hearing as the plantiff & defendant will need time to prepare their cases. Most likely early next year before the hearing commences but we'll see what fast tracked means in the high court.

M40 Motorway Reclassification and ITS Upgrade: TII & Cork County Council are currently engaged with consultants on this which would see motorway regulations being applied to the N40 and ITS equipment ("smart motorway" equipment) including display VMSs being installed on the length of the M40 and approach roads such as the N27 and N71. The study is ongoing with phased implementation expected on an as of yet unknown timescale. Enabling works including communication ducting will be carried out in Q4 2018.

M40 North Ring Road East: This project was included in the National Development Plan and will be reactivated if there is a requirement to connect the M20 to the motorway network around Cork. The road remains a priority for people on the Northside (including Apple) but not to central Government.

R624 Cobh Road dualling: Cork County Council are applying to DTTAS to have this road upgraded to a national road and a portion of dual carriageway built along its length which will involve the construction of a 2nd dual carraigeway bridge onto Great Island. The project will be initially appraised under DTTAS new appraisal guidelines, with no timescale yet for delivery.

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Looks to be a good bit of coverage in tomorrow's Sunday Business Post about office developments in Cork, and that large town up the road that Cork people occasionally travel to for rugby games

https://twitter.com/sundaybusiness/status/1045999129011335168

Looking at all these developments I am constantly amazed that the planners allow developers to stick with current pre-industrial road layouts. If an entire block/section is being developed why are conditions of planning a straightening/widening of adjacent stretch of road.

Even allow for an extra few stories in commercial/apartment builds.