Cork developments

SurplusToys

Does anybody know much about the new scheme in cattle market square?
Is this a one off social housing development or part of a bigger regeneration project for blarney street area?

Nigel Fairservice

Have Penneys made a formal announcement about the project before? They've been sitting on some of those empty properties around their premises for years. Hopefully they'll start putting all that empty space to use soon.

Reputable Rog

marno21 wrote: »

Cork is now the only city in Ireland with national roads criss crossing in the city centre. The only detrunking of note was the N71 from the N40 to Victoria Cross.

Once the North Ring & M20 are done, the N20, N8 and N22 will likely be detrunked. Not sure where that leaves the N27

It may be de-trucked inside the N40 in time but there are no proposals at present.
The County are trying to get the R624 to Cobh upgraded to a National road.

questionmark?

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Penneys? FFS. I'd rather spend money on quality than buy something that you'll have to throw out in few weeks.

Same. However, Pennys are a big draw for lots of people which leads to a spill over effect to other local businesses. Those types of anchor tenants are needed for others to thrive. Should create a good few extra jobs as well.

Eod100

Was that the big news so? Also this. Wonder what this will be? https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1374672187580375040?s=19

Treehelpplease

probably the camden quay stuff. here and skyscrapercity seems to get news a lot more before the papers these days when it comes to developments

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40250306.html

questionmark?

Wow! Just wow. I honestly didn't think it would get through without the height been reduced. That's amazing news for the city and region!!

SleetAndSnow

Brilliant news!!

Treehelpplease

Treehelpplease wrote: »

probably the camden quay stuff. here and skyscrapercity seems to get news a lot more before the papers these days when it comes to developments

well nevermind great news !

SleetAndSnow

Can this be stopped any other way now that the appeal has given permission? Or can certain people take it to the courts, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

namloc1980

Great stuff. Probably will be some time before this starts. Tower Holdings have done very little in relation to the Prism building as of yet.

CHealy

Cobh artists in shambles.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Great stuff. Probably will be some time before this starts. Tower Holdings have done very little in relation to the Prism building as of yet.

I wouldn't blame them in the least, regarding Prism.

Economies of scale here, much cheaper to get deliveries/equipment/staff etc running parallel I imagine

marno21

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Can this be stopped any other way now that the appeal has given permission? Or can certain people take it to the courts, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

It can be taken to judicial review, but the costs of such are prohibitive in most cases (usually touching six figures minimum

The fact that ABP effectively rubber stamped it is a great sign. Normally judicial reviews are taken when ABP are the lone approver (such as the M28 or strategic housing developments). Different gravy altogether when there’s 2 approvers. The EIS for this is more than 1000 pages. Tower Holdings put Herculean work into getting this right.

Fingers crossed they get moving on this and explore options for similar stunning infills.

Brussels Sprout

When would this likely be due to be completed?

Historically record high buildings are completed just as economic bubbles burst:

• Elysian in 2008 (during the Great Financial Crisis)
• Petronas Towers in 1998 (post-Asian Financial Crisis)
• World Trade centre in 1973 (OPEC Crisis)
• Empire State Building 1930 (post-Wall Street Crash)

better batten down the harches

blindsider

Absolutely delighted to see this!! I really hope its the catalyst our city needs for further development and re-generation.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't blame them in the least, regarding Prism.

Economies of scale here, much cheaper to get deliveries/equipment/staff etc running parallel I imagine

Hopefully that's it.

Treehelpplease

prism construction started last march but was halted because of the coronavirus

ACitizenErased

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Acosta

The high rise building looks a lot nicer than the elysian at least

snotboogie

Treehelpplease wrote: »

prism construction started last march but was halted because of the coronavirus

Didn't they subsequently come out and say that they don't know when or if they will resume construction given the changing market for office space?

Great announcement but as always in Cork, especially with tall buildings, the biggest hurdle is getting construction started, not planning.

Cork Lass

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

Cork Lass

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

TheChizler

Cork Lass wrote: »

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

Just need a bit more city centre housing!

fonecrusher1

Fantastic news on the Custom house tower!!!!! Woohooooo!

Delighted.

:pac:

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

It can be taken to judicial review, but the costs of such are prohibitive in most cases (usually touching six figures minimum

The fact that ABP effectively rubber stamped it is a great sign. Normally judicial reviews are taken when ABP are the lone approver (such as the M28 or strategic housing developments). Different gravy altogether when there’s 2 approvers. The EIS for this is more than 1000 pages. Tower Holdings put Herculean work into getting this right.

Fingers crossed they get moving on this and explore options for similar stunning infills.

Hopefully

Judicial reviews are of the process, not the decision, plaintiffs would have to be able to show where the process was flawed.

marno21

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Hopefully

Judicial reviews are of the process, not the decision, plaintiffs would have to be able to show where the process was flawed.

Indeed. But they are a useful tactic to objectors as a delaying process even if they prove to be unsuccessful.

Not sure if the crew here would be financially able for a job like this though

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Indeed. But they are a useful tactic to objectors as a delaying process even if they prove to be unsuccessful.

Not sure if the crew here would be financially able for a job like this though

Doubt it. A few cranks it appears.

(Incidentally, the JR of the incinerator is ongoing, they seemed to have succeeded in 2 of 11 grounds for review, whether the decision is quashed due soon).

Apogee

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40250306.html

RTE wrote:

The green light for the €140m development at Custom House Quay in Cork City centre was given today subject to 23 conditions.

The 23 conditions include the appointment of a conservation expert to manage, monitor and implement works on the site, the provision of 20 car parking spaces, a detailed log of the existing buildings' historic features be lodged with the Irish Architectural Archives, and an archaeological appraisal of the site is carried out. The developer will also be required to submit detailed plans on traffic and waste management during construction, as well as submitting further details on the planned maritime-themed visitor centre, and the operation of the pontoon on Custom House Quay. Financial contributions will also have to be paid to Cork City Council in respect of public infrastructure and facilities benefiting development in the area, and towards road improvement works in the vicinity before the development can go ahead.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0324/1205841-ireland-tallest-building-cork/

Irish Times wrote:

It is understood the hotel will be run by Marriott International, which made a submission to Cork City Council planners backing the project and who run a 31-storey hotel in redeveloped industrial area Long Island City, New York which was built by Times Square Construction, the contracting division of Mr O’Sullivan’s business.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cork-to-get-ireland-s-tallest-building-in-150m-development-1.4519274