Cork developments

Shedite27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529321#Comment_118529321

Not having new roads and schools isn't a reason to stop building houses. Builders/Developers can help the housing crisis by building houses. Government need to step up with the second part.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530538#Comment_118530538

This is how you end up with a new Knocknaheeny or school runs blocking roads. It's bad planning. That road cannot be realigned either once it gets surrounded by housing estates

Shedite27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530698#Comment_118530698

"We need to build more houses to tackle the housing crisis, except this particular proposal which I have objections to"

iColdFusion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118531620#Comment_118531620

A chunk of the sale price of those houses includes the planning fees and council contribution fees the developer has to pay, these are meant to go upgrading infrastructure outside the site, this is a scam on house buyers if the councils just take the cash and never actually do the works.

The real question is "Why aren't Cork City council doing more road and public transport upgrade works to free up large scale development sites to help alleviate the housing crisis?"

And also "Where the hell is Cork's light rail system or that Monard new town that they have been shiteing on about for decades?"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118531620#Comment_118531620

I don't live near there but I know that road well. It's not capable of having the city expand to it. White's cross will be a Cork suburb within a decade and allowing development on its roads, in current configuration, is lunacy.

Needs to be wider and straighter to handle increased bus requirements. Needs cycle lanes.

Yes, schools need to be built. So infrastructure for that is required.

I'm against hodgepodge developments which lead to issues the moment people move in.

Christ, look at the state of Upper Glanmire 5 minutes up the road (it at least has a primary school)

Shedite27

So is the suggestion that we should stop housing development till we upgrade country roads?

Have a look at what happened in Glanmire behind the AIB to see how roads can easily be upgraded during development.

Have a look at the enrolment numbers in Mayfield Com and surrounding schools if you're worried about schools (hint: it's the most undersubscribed school in the country).

We need houses, badly, in this country. It's the number one issue that affects everyone. I love a cycle path but lets get real here, young people haven't a hope of buying houses at the moment, there's more homeless families than ever before.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533831#Comment_118533831

Or we just stop planning on unsuitable country roads and use landbanks far more suitable.

What we really need is apartments in the cities and removing the blockers to that, because uncontrolled sprawl is never an answer. One just has to look at the mess they made of Dublin. A city choked by traffic and having to spend billions to ram public transport options through residential areas.

It's also a prime example of how to ruin a city, for bikes. Rapid expansion into surrounding villages down old country roads barely wide enough for 2 cars and they slap a bike lane down the middle of lanes.

Having lived in Dublin, for years, and seeing Cork make the exact same mistakes is depressing.

the beer revolu

A housing crisis is no reason to do away with sensible planning and development.

It seems that we never learn from the mistakes of the past.

who_me

Public projects (roads, railway lines/stops, bridges, overpasses etc.) always have long planning and lead times, relative to property development. They really NEED to be started in advance, not simply building the residences and letting the occupants hope/pray the projects may complete 5/10/20 years in the future.

shawki

Has anyone heard any updates on the the affordable housing development on Boherboy Road? Latest update I can find is an article from last month.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/zero-affordable-purchase-homes-set-to-be-delivered-by-government-by-end-of-2021-41172783.html

“In the first phase of the Boherboy Road scheme in Co Cork, nine affordable purchase homes will be delivered early next year.

These will be a mix of two- and three-bedroom properties, with the two-bedroom homes costing €218,000 and three-bedroom homes costing €243,000.”

theboringfox

Help to Buy should just be called Help the Developer. Was bit of genius vote buying by FG when all it did was subsidise developers. The money ultimately flows to the person selling property.

jackrussel

What roadworks are happening on south Douglas road from the 7th of February that are going to take 21 weeks? Saw a sign up on a pole today

Timing belt

Getting rid of the roundabout on the back Douglas road.

https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/services/roads-and-traffic-management/road-improvement-schemes1/projects-in-planning-design-phase/south-douglas-road-junction-upgrade-scheme.html

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542181#Comment_118542181

Wonderful. The current jams around there are due to bad sequencing of the lights on the other side of the flyover which are on timed sequence not sensor driven sequence.

The city council have gotten into a fierce habit of putting in complex signal controlled junctions powered by sensors only for the sensors to stop functioning correctly and the junctions becoming sub optimal. It’s a pity because with the level of infrastructure in place they could really optimise traffic flows

DylanQuestion

Those lights on the other side of the flyover would have been County Council ones. Not sure if that makes a difference. Since they're all City Council now, hopefully they will all line up right. The junction at the Douglas Road badly needs some work done too. Like you said, it is timer based rather than sensor based, so every road gets an equal chance. I think River Walk should be given the lowest priority, and the focus should be on R610 movements. The junction with East Douglas Street is awkward too, although I'm not sure how they would fix that without adding more lights or removing access to the street somehow (maybe no left from the R610 except buses? The City Council are planning similar in the city centre with Summerhill North -> MacCurtain Street, I believe)

Hibernicis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542181#Comment_118542181

Great that they are addressing it but it's a very poor design. Allowing the access road for Willow Park, the Gaelscoil, the Tramore Valley Park and Tramore Athletic to cross the N40 exit slip road is going to impact heavily on the N40 exit slip road, reducing throughput considerable. There is no need for this - there was plenty of space to move this access road and allow the N40 exit slip road flow straight to the South Douglas Road Junction. Now it will require an additional set of traffic lights on the slip road causing traffic to back up. And the success of the overall scheme will absolutely depend on them sorting out the traffic dlflows through the junction on the other side of the flyover, which is the cause of most of the delays at present.

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543417#Comment_118543417

It's not just about traffic flow, safety of all road and footpath users needs to be the main consideration. Though I agree its a piss poor design, most issues brought up in consultation were ignored.

iColdFusion

Doesn't seem like fantastic value for money at €294k each, anyone know if they had to buy the site?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40795725.html

Built on the former grounds of Farranferris College, the estate includes 68 three-bed houses, eight two-bed houses, and 10 three-bed bungalows.

Built by developers Citidwell, at a cost per home of €294,000, the homes were funded through a combination of private finance from the Housing Finance Agency and a loan from the Department of Housing.

Apogee

The ever excellent @CorkCraneCount reporting cranes up at both Carrigrohane and Nth Main St student apartment sites:

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1488140222177153026

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1489558179583307777

Pen Rua

The closure of the portion of footpath to facilitate the student housing development is most frustrating. Coupled with the area that is still cordoned off due to the unstable building further up the street...

Corkladddd!!

I'll take it if it puts life into NMS, walking down it yesterday, the potential is clear if there is some due attention given to the existing buildings and if the council had some kind of decent standard for shopfronts. Standard colours/glazing/fonts would be a start!

ofcork

2nd crane gone up in blackpool as well.

ofcork

See also milfield garage being cleared out this morning.

cantalach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118510456#Comment_118510456

This nerd just got Rick-rolled by your nerdy signature...kudos.

Pen Rua

4 derelict properties on North Main Street have been CPO'ed by the city council.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40802430.html

Shedite27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595101#Comment_118595101

How many apartments do we reckon will fit in there

iColdFusion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595101#Comment_118595101

Great to see the council taking action like this but also im pretty sure they haven't given any thought into what they want to build there so those buildings will stay as they are for at least another 3 years especially if An Taisce roll along and say they can't be knocked down because they represent the post modern dereliction of our society and its values and should be preserved as is for future generations 😄

In case you think I'm being mad they actually objected to the old junkie haven tax offices on Sullivans Quay from being demolished.

airy fairy

City council have CPO'd a few places that'll never see a thing built on it in the next few decades. How long have they land on the Mallow road, that spans quite a distance. Supposed to be for housing. North main st will be the same.

rebs23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118595528#Comment_118595528

Should be just sold off to those with the best proposal for redevelopment within a specified time frame.

iColdFusion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118596294#Comment_118596294

Id imagine they will be gifted to one of the social housing bodies like Tuath, handing them over to a private developer would cause uproar.