Cork developments

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opus wrote: »

Spotted another building being refurbed plus an extension at the back for extra apartments on the North Mall (a few doors from the Franciscan Well).

Good to see. Housing need to be both big and small developments. Properties like this all over the city that need to be brought back into use and extended where possible.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

Going forward:

Updated best case schedule:
Q3 2019: Victoria Hotel, Kelleher Tyre's Student, Morrison's Island Hostel, O’Riordans Joinery Student, The Prism, The M, Jacobs Island, Parnell Place Hotel

Echo wrote:

Planning permission has been granted for a 57-room student apartment development overlooking The Lough despite opposition from locals in the area. The development will be located at the O’Riordan’s Joinery site on the Bandon Road and on a portion of the lands associated with the Church of the Immaculate Conception. The development will allow for 419 student bed spaces.Planning permission for the development was granted this week by An Bord Plean.The developers Lyonshall had previously received planning permission for a development of 324 student beds.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Planning-granted-for-419-bed-student-apartments-overlooking-The-Lough-8b90012a-6abd-4d04-a1a2-a9e3dcc194cc-ds

who_me

fash wrote: »

Until they get the permanent walls in place to do so, yes.

Yeah, especially since Penrose House is remaining in place, and they've dug down well below ground level along two sides of its base, so it'd be very precarious if not supported.

Rhys Essien

Anyone hear anymore about The Prism. I thought the ABP decision was meant to be in March. It's all a bit frustrating.

snotboogie

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Anyone hear anymore about The Prism. I thought the ABP decision was meant to be in March. It's all a bit frustrating.

The Victoria Hotel has been with ABP for nearly two years...

opus

Not in Cork City just yet but soon! The office development in Ballincollig is moving along well.

ofcork

I assume we will see work on trinity quarter soon as ucc now own it wonder why dairygold didn't go ahead with it?

Rhys Essien

ofcork wrote: »

I assume we will see work on trinity quarter soon as ucc now own it wonder why dairygold didn't go ahead with it?

They said opening date for that is August/September 2023 and they are doing a whole new design so I’d say things won’t happen for another year or two.

snotboogie

Two 40+ storey towers gone for planning in Dublin. This is two years after the Cork 40 storey was announced and they are already ahead of where we are now. The towers look fantastic in the render and will be great for Dublin but it emphasizes the difference in the pace of development between the two cities.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battle-for-the-dublin-skyline-are-you-ready-for-johnny-ronans-world-class-hanging-gardens-38079925.html

SleetAndSnow

snotboogie wrote: »

Two 40+ storey towers gone for planning in Dublin. This is two years after the Cork 40 storey was announced and they are already ahead of where we are now. The towers look fantastic in the render and will be great for Dublin but it emphasizes the difference in the pace of development between the two cities.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battle-for-the-dublin-skyline-are-you-ready-for-johnny-ronans-world-class-hanging-gardens-38079925.html

and the rumours are that Cork's tower has been rounded down to below 30 floors isnt it?

snotboogie

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

and the rumours are that Cork's tower has been rounded down to below 30 floors isnt it?

Looks like it ya. I mean it’ll still be a fantastic development but I can’t believe we’ve been waiting this long for planning

Tomtom364

snotboogie wrote: »

Two 40+ storey towers gone for planning in Dublin. This is two years after the Cork 40 storey was announced and they are already ahead of where we are now. The towers look fantastic in the render and will be great for Dublin but it emphasizes the difference in the pace of development between the two cities.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battle-for-the-dublin-skyline-are-you-ready-for-johnny-ronans-world-class-hanging-gardens-38079925.html

Not a hope Dublin give that the go ahead I'd say.

Tomtom364

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Not a hope Dublin give that the go ahead I'd say.

The council has been told (quite forcefully iirc) to not block skyscrapers

cantalach

snotboogie wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/battle-for-the-dublin-skyline-are-you-ready-for-johnny-ronans-world-class-hanging-gardens-38079925.html

The opening paragraph says, "Ronan's ''grand design'' [...] dwarfs the surrounding cityscape." Another great example of editorialising vs reporting.

Tomtom364

Deleted User wrote: »

The council has been told (quite forcefully iirc) to not block skyscrapers

I'm sure they have. And rightly so.
But double the current highest which barely got permission?

rahmalec

That’s fantastic! It’s the type of stuff that should have been built all along the docklands in Dublin from the beginning. Let’s hope we don’t repeat the same mistake here. The riverfront lined with new buildings from say, 10 to 30 floors would be great.

Nigel Fairservice

I never really understood our aversion to tall buildings in Ireland. I think in Dublin the excuse that tall buildings would ruin the Georgian nature of Dublin was trotted out. I have been to many cities that pair old and modern architecture very well. The Dublin Docklands was an industrial wasteland and some taller buildings down there would have made more sense considering space is at a premium and it's away from the Georgian heart of Dublin. Hopefully we get some nice taller buildings in our docklands.

Shedite27

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

I never really understood our aversion to tall buildings in Ireland. I think in Dublin the excuse that tall buildings would ruin the Georgian nature of Dublin was trotted out. I have been to many cities that pair old and modern architecture very well. The Dublin Docklands was an industrial wasteland and some taller buildings down there would have made more sense considering space is at a premium and it's away from the Georgian heart of Dublin. Hopefully we get some nice taller buildings in our docklands.

It's the road/height ratio. Lots of skyscrapers with narrow local streets don't work from an access and light point of view. Most if Irish cities are quite narrow streets which wouldn't handle them. Places like American, Middle Eastern, Australian cities that manage it are newer places with wider streets.

I'l all for skyscrapers but it needs to be manageble too.

whisky_galore

Shedite27 wrote: »

It's the road/height ratio. Lots of skyscrapers with narrow local streets don't work from an access and light point of view. Most if Irish cities are quite narrow streets which wouldn't handle them. Places like American, Middle Eastern, Australian cities that manage it are newer places with wider streets.

I'l all for skyscrapers but it needs to be manageble too.

Loads of European cities were razed and rebuilt with wider streets and bigger buildings in the 18th/19th cent. Or bombed to bits in WW2 and rebuilt from scratch. There was never money in the pot or the will to do that here. Maybe if the Tans managed to burn a more of Cork we would have some half decent buildings and streets now.

Anteayer

A lot of the adversion to it in Dublin anyway comes from ludicrous comparisons to the Ballymun flats, which had huge social issues which weren't any to do with their height.

snotboogie

Shedite27 wrote: »

It's the road/height ratio. Lots of skyscrapers with narrow local streets don't work from an access and light point of view. Most if Irish cities are quite narrow streets which wouldn't handle them. Places like American, Middle Eastern, Australian cities that manage it are newer places with wider streets.

I'l all for skyscrapers but it needs to be manageble too.

Plenty of skyscraper cities have narrow old streets; Hong Kong is a prime example.

snotboogie

snotboogie wrote: »

Plenty of skyscraper cities have narrow old streets; Hong Kong is a prime example.

And, in many parts, it's a crowded hot mess no?

Anteayer

Lots of Irish exceptionalism when it comes to urban planning.

Shedite27

snotboogie wrote: »

Plenty of skyscraper cities have narrow old streets; Hong Kong is a prime example.

I would hate Cork to resemble Hong Kong

D'Agger

Shedite27 wrote: »

I would hate Cork to resemble Hong Kong

Reckon we're safe for the short - medium term anyway

snotboogie

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And, in many parts, it's a crowded hot mess no?

Overall it does well. I’d say it does a lot better than some of the wide street examples like Dubai. In Dubai the districts and tall buildings are very separate and it is hard to walk between them which consequently gives it a very limited streetlife. While HK is crowded, it’s also bustling with small interesting restaurants, cafes, shops and bars. Singapore is maybe a happy medium between the two but even that can feel dull in comparison to HK Island. I don’t think there is anything unique about Dublin that prevents tall buildings.

ofcork

JD sports have got permission to expand into a wear

cgcsb

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Not a hope Dublin give that the go ahead I'd say.

This one goes straight to abp. It includes a thousand new homes

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

Student accommodation:

Gainstar Limited Partnership's Coca-Cola site (600 beds) on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? Site has been sold to Future Generations who will submit planning for an increase to 600 beds and are hoping for a Q2 2019 start pending planning.

Echo wrote:

Plans for Cork's largest student apartment development has been granted planning permission.London company Future Generation has plans to build a flagship, 600-bed accommodation scheme on the former Coca-Cola bottling site on the Carrigrohane Straight Road.This week permission was granted by Cork City Council for the development.Planning permission was in place, since 2017, to build 484 student beds, in buildings ranging from four to seven storeys. Work began to demolish the existing buildings and clear the site, but it has remained empty since then.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Corks-largest-student-apartment-development-is-granted-planning-permission-ce8f13dd-2434-46f1-8e71-c6a01e888469-ds

Slim Charles

ofcork wrote: »

JD sports have got permission to expand into a wear

Possibly the worst shop I've ever been in...loud 2fm-esque music blaring whilst students in ill-fitting clothing browse the latest in daft converse design and colour. Great news that it's being expanded.