Cork developments

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

This office block?
Because that is a listed building and a prime example of its time :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

fonecrusher1

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I don't give a toss that its listed. It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

The HSE wanted to renovate the building (and fronting) after the fire in 2011 and were told where to jump. That's why the signage is on the flags infront

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

The HSE wanted to renovate the building (and fronting) after the fire in 2011 and were told where to jump. That's why the signage is on the flags infront

Hook, line and sinker C_E :pac:

Matter of time till its knocked so.

Keplar240B

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

Keplar240B

Keplar240B wrote: »

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

Same was asked about the bridge by the Coal Quay and it is a very well used bridge

fonecrusher1

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

Being very sarcastic.
It is a monstrosity but can not be touched. The prime example of it's time was a given reason.
Prime soviet style muck.


Just shy of a million was spent repairing it, after the fire, iirc.

Frostybrew

Keplar240B wrote: »

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

It's going to be a key part of the city centre cycling network, effectively a continuation of the two way segregated cycle lane from Angelsea St; connecting the northside with the southside, and the city centre to the railway station.

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

Being very sarcastic.
It is a monstrosity but can not be touched. The prime example of it's time was a given reason.
Prime soviet style muck.


Just shy of a million was spent repairing it, after the fire, iirc.

And yet some are saying that proposed student building is an eyesore in the area?! Compared to what? Ok if was right next to the church fair enough. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but dear god that is literally a non argument.

Mental. :pac:

Junkyard Tom

normanbond wrote: »

Rag Tag development ... eye sore ... cheapy student apartments ... absolute eyesore ... shocking and cheap looking ... cheap student flats

That's a lot of outrage boxes ticked. What's the actual problem? Can you be specific?

smurgen

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Local elections town hall meeting in Douglas this evening and out of the 4 Fianna Fail and Fine Gael candidates in the electoral area, none turned up. Bizarre!

Is there anyone at a political level lobbying on behalf of the city as regards resources?

snotboogie

smurgen wrote: »

Is there anyone at a political level lobbying on behalf of the city as regards resources?

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

MrDerp

snotboogie wrote: »

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

Why simplify it so? Plenty of people simply don’t like the idea of an individual having that much power to spend public money.

I can assure you I don’t read the echo, nor does paying people properly for a job bother me.

j8wk2feszrnpao

snotboogie wrote: »

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

We have the Tánaiste, who's doing sweet FA, but a Cork Mayor (will limited powers and influence) could get us over the line? Not a very convincing argument.

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same was asked about the bridge by the Coal Quay and it is a very well used bridge

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

Again though, people said that North Gate and Christy Ring bridges were only a few hundred feet away

Cycle network for this one also

kub

munstermagic11 wrote: »

We have the Tánaiste, who's doing sweet FA, but a Cork Mayor (will limited powers and influence) could get us over the line? Not a very convincing argument.

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

smurgen

kub wrote: »

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

Yes and his focus seems to be dublin only.cork developing would help the whole county.

kub

smurgen wrote: »

Yes and his focus seems to be dublin only.cork developing would help the whole county.

But surely local issues are things that councillors should be dealing with not members of National Government.

namloc1980

kub wrote: »

But surely local issues are things that councillors should be dealing with not members of National Government.

Or Indeed a locally elected Mayor. But that whole thing has descended into a row over money and I expect it to be massively rejected.

kub

namloc1980 wrote: »

Or Indeed a locally elected Mayor. But that whole thing has descended into a row over money and I expect it to be massively rejected.

I can just imagine the excuse after this election when the elected Mayor vote is rejection.
I can imagine the line, well if the people of Cork had voted for a Mayor then the Events Centre etc, would have happened.

Brussels Sprout

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

The handy thing about it is that on the North side it's going to be right in front of that narrow street, Harley street, that goes right up to McCurtain Street so will make the centre of that street a little bit more accessible. Shame the other end is basically the side of Merchant's Quay which is a bit of a monolith.

j8wk2feszrnpao

kub wrote: »

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

He's a member of the Dail because he was elected in Cork South Central.
Cork is a part of the whole country.
He had his spade in the ground, and has repeated spoken on the Events Center (making it look like he's intervened). If he can't get it over the line, then a Cork mayor isn't gong to make any difference (no matter how much bawling people want to do about it).

snotboogie

MrDerp wrote: »

Why simplify it so? Plenty of people simply don’t like the idea of an individual having that much power to spend public money.

I can assure you I don’t read the echo, nor does paying people properly for a job bother me.

The council have clearly struggled to represent Cork and get funds at a national level. 10% of the national tax take comes from Cork, what percentage of the capital spending do we get? It's an absolute no brainer that we powerful local representation.

Markcheese

snotboogie wrote: »

The council have clearly struggled to represent Cork and get funds at a national level. 10% of the national tax take comes from Cork, what percentage of the capital spending do we get? It's an absolute no brainer that we powerful local representation.

I'm actually keen on the elected mayor, and understand he'd need paying and a staff... (I'd be a bit wary of pension entitlements all right)
As to how the power game would work out between City manager, (and staff), the mayor, and the council it'd probably be a head wreck...
But if the mayor was making City policy, and had influence over local property tax levels and rates, it could be a good thing...

marno21

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

whisky_galore

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The handy thing about it is that on the North side it's going to be right in front of that narrow street, Harley street, that goes right up to McCurtain Street so will make the centre of that street a little bit more accessible. Shame the other end is basically the side of Merchant's Quay which is a bit of a monolith.

Hardly a dire necessity. But if it makes someone happy, hey ho.

whisky_galore

marno21 wrote: »

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

Cork needs a Healy-Rae type, or types.

snotboogie

In case anybody isn't following the dedicated EC thread:

Camilla Better Muffler wrote: »

BAM are getting ready to reply to the outstanding planning issues with a design for the event centre that is drastically reduced in scale. Smaller audience, event space, etc. Further information to be submitted in the next two weeks I'm told.

smurgen

marno21 wrote: »

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

Brexit is the scape goat for everything.The dispropotionate underinvestment in Cork predates Brexit.

kub

smurgen wrote: »

Brexit is the scape goat for everything.The dispropotionate underinvestment in Cork predates Brexit.

I am not making excuses when I say this, you have a point, but there was a recession before Brexit.


I wonder has there been any project like this in Dublin that had similar issues?