60,000 child porn images no jail

donkeykong5

Mess around with vat on garlic........6 years. Mess around with porn sites and download pictures of children been abused 60 thousand times............Suspended sentence. Ffs.

Zebra3

Skylinehead wrote: »

Another. Waheyyyyyyyy!

:rolleyes:

Are Am Eye

beefburrito wrote: »

Sure wasn't that Judge from the tralee district who got caught with Image's, notorious for letting certain individuals off with criminal activity.....

Won't mention any names....but its out there....

That's the one where the state/gardai got a Warrant which specifically has a life of one week and executed eight days later. Rendering evidence completely and permanently non usable and non existent.

That was just by chance.

Clerical error.

Bureaucracy.

There was nothing else going on there.

odyssey06

Am I reading it right... it took 5 years for the case to come to court - the raid took place in 2013?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/no-jail-for-state-official-66-caught-with-nearly-60000-child-pornography-images-and-videos-36811835.html

Am I being too cynical or has this delay allowed allowed said civil servant to retire from his senior role in the civil service before being convicted?

Everything about this stinks.

Sardonicat

JupiterKid wrote: »

Another example where the sentencing regime is way too lenient and inconsistent.

How would you even find the time to download 60K images??

He worked for the Department of Health and Children.

donkeykong5

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Mess around with vat on garlic........6 years. Mess around with porn sites and download pictures of children been abused 60 thousand times............Suspended sentence. Ffs.

Yes, somebody has done it! Thread over. Well predicted, OP.

donkeykong5

odyssey06 wrote: »

Am I reading it right... it took 5 years for the case to come to court - the raid took place in 2013?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/no-jail-for-state-official-66-caught-with-nearly-60000-child-pornography-images-and-videos-36811835.html

Am I being too cynical or has this delay allowed allowed said civil servant to retire from his senior role in the civil service before being convicted?

Everything about this stinks.

Stinks to high heaven!

Franz Von Peppercorn

It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

donkeykong5

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

Yeah same judge who gave the suspended sentence today. !

boylecm

Should have got jail time as a contributor to the making of images of child abuse, even if he did not directly abuse.

odyssey06

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

With a name like that you better hope you never end up in his court!

Squatter

Are Am Eye wrote: »

That's the one where the state/gardai got a Warrant which specifically has a life of one week and executed eight days later. Rendering evidence completely and permanently non usable and non existent.

That was just by chance.

Clerical error.

Bureaucracy.

There was nothing else going on there.

No they carried out the search of Curtin's house on the 7th day. The problem was that the search took place 7 days and one hour after the warrant had been signed.

The defence successfully persuaded the judge that the long-standing practice whereby a search warrant was considered valid until midnight on the 7th day was illegal. And the judge decreed that it had been executed late. So Curtin didn't have to face the charges.

Ave Sodalis

How has Nolan not been disposed of yet? Any terrible or bizarre judgement, you're almost guaranteed he's behind it...

Are Am Eye

Squatter wrote: »

No they executed it 7 days later. Problem was that it was served in the afternoon of the seventh day whereas it had been signed on the morning of the first day.

The defence successfully persuaded the judge that the long-standing practice whereby a warrant was valid until midnight on the 7th day was illegal.

So the judge decreed that it had been served late.

Yes, and that was not all arranged.

Mutant z

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

That could have been a scene of a sitcom,the biggest joke was it actually happened in reality while child molesters are being let off scot free you could not make it up its so insane but its happening in this country.

Mutant z

If there was any justice then that gobshyte Nolan would be struck off and banned from sitting permanently he isn't fit to be a judge anywhere but a lunatic asylum.

Ave Sodalis

Mutant z wrote: »

If there was any justice then that gobshyte Nolan would be struck off and banned from sitting permanently he isn't fit to be a judge anywhere but a lunatic asylum.

The way he judges, he'd let the ones that need to be there out, and he'd keep the people there for mild things and day visits locked away for life. I think a lunatic asylum is an terrible place for him to be!

up for anything

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Most of the DVDs were naturist in nature? Didn't realize naturist videos were illegal......

Anyone remember that H&E magazine that they used to have in shops. I remember as a kid looking up at that and wondering how shops could have a magazine with naked people on it but yet Playboy was banned here at the time. Not that there was much to see in it. Remember one of the lads nicked a copy once and it was just full of old people playing tennis.

Anyway, I expect that was a large part of the reasoning behind only handing down a suspended sentence plus also of course the fact that he had no previous.

"Most of the images and clips were “naturist”, the court heard, but others showed pre-pubescent boys engaged in sexual behaviour."

My reading of that is that the naturist clips were of young boys but doing whatever naturists do... beach volleyball etc. The fact that they were of pre-pubescent/young boys means that they were child pornography although at the lower end of the scale as mentioned although the humiliation involved is never a low end of the scale. I'd hazard a guess that those children were utilised in other more serious imagery as well.

donegaLroad wrote: »

That guy is a marked man for the rest of his life, thats probably sentence enough.

The judge probably felt that he would not have been safe in prison, plus he has been attending rehab since 2013.

Im not trying to defend him or his actions, its just that there are a lot of people walking the streets at the minute who are guilty of a lot more serious crimes simply because the Irish prison system does not have the space or resources to cope with them.

For example, a recent enough case where a man got 5 years with the final 2 years suspended for attempted murder with a butchers knife. Victim was in intensive care for a week.

I doubt rehab works that well for paedophiles as their sexuality is intrinsic to their nature. People don't do well denying their sexuality, deviant or otherwise.

SEPT 23 1989

What is it about certain judges and sex crimes

Would make you wonder

Outlaw Pete

up for anything wrote: »

People don't do well denying their sexuality, deviant or otherwise.

No, they don't, that's true and the actions of members of a certain religious order is a testament to that if ever there was one.

But that's why I don't understand the banning of role play and animated porn in this context. Surely there's a good chance that will do more harm than it will good.

It's led to some seriously bizarre trials if nothing else. People have been jailed for porn showing Lisa Simpson being gangbanged and there were at least two cases were pornstars acting underage had to travel across the world and give evidence at trials to prove they were of age. Here's one of them:

https://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/

Course, in some countries even the fact that she was of age wouldn't have mattered, as her just acting underage would been enough to secure a conviction.

Muahahaha

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It was Nolan who gave the 6 year sentence for the garlic if I recall.

Correct, Nolan was the judge on that case. iirc he is a former Garda but despite that he seems to be very soft on any kind of sexual offences-
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/11/18/who-is-judge-nolan-jailing/

Readers may be familiar with the recent decision of Judge Martin Nolan not to impose a custodial sentence on former civil servant Patrick Corcoran, 53, after he was caught with over 7,000 images and 21 videos of child pornography.

In October 2012 Judge Nolan allowed 29 year old Graham Griffiths, who committed a violent sex attack on a 17-year-old, to walk free from court, suspending his four year sentence in full on condition he pay his victim 15,000 Euros. Griffiths had told gardaí he felt he was ‘under some magnetic force’ and ‘it must have been the hormones’ that caused him to attack.

In December 2012 Judge Nolan fully suspended a three year sentence given to David Sharpe, a father of one, who went to a shop looking for help to transfer child pornography from one phone to another has avoided a jail term. The screensaver on his phone had an image of a child naked from the waist down as the background wallpaper. 44 images were recovered, 18 of which depicted children aged between eight and 14 years old engaged in penetrative sex, nine which showed children engaged in non-penetrative sexual activity and 17 which showed children in sexual poses. Judge Nolan said he was satisfied a prison term was not justified before he sentenced Sharpe to three years which he suspended in full on strict conditions including that he remain under probation supervision for 18 months. He accepted that Sharpe had not distributed, purchased nor shared the images and had therefore not supported the child pornographic industry.

In July 2012 Judge Nolan again refused to impose a custodial sentence on a convicted sex offender who viewed animated child porn – graphic depictions of sexual activity with speech bubbles that left no doubt they were of children. Judge Martin Nolan said if the material had involved real children or if O’Neill had paid for it, he would be imposing a “reasonably severe” sentence. He added: “This material, no matter how odious, did not harm or exploit children.”

Irish Guitarist

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Most of the DVDs were naturist in nature? Didn't realize naturist videos were illegal......

Anyone remember that H&E magazine that they used to have in shops. I remember as a kid looking up at that and wondering how shops could have a magazine with naked people on it but yet Playboy was banned here at the time. Not that there was much to see in it. Remember one of the lads nicked a copy once and it was just full of old people playing tennis.

Anyway, I expect that was a large part of the reasoning behind only handing down a suspended sentence plus also of course the fact that he had no previous.

It's most likely that the ones that aren't 'naturist' and are kids being molested are what got him in trouble.

Most of the images and clips were “naturist”, the court heard, but others showed pre-pubescent boys engaged in sexual behaviour.

'Most' of 60,000 could be a massive amount. He could have 5,000 or 10,000 pictures or videos of boys being abused and still say most of them weren't too bad.

erica74

60,000 images. I am horrified. Presumably a full investigation was carried out to ensure he didn't use his position with the Department of Health and Children to satisfy his disgusting interests.

Outlaw Pete

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

'Most' of 60,000 could be a massive amount. He could have 5,000 or 10,000 pictures or videos of boys being abused and still say most of them weren't too bad.

Could be I suppose and if so, there's always a chance the DPP could appeal the sentence as being too lenient, as happened in cases like the following

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BrHHoRgKPwsJ:https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/301016/building-contractor-jailed-for-2-5m-tax-fraud-after-unduly-lenient-original-term.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Irish Guitarist

I'm confused about the point of the OP by the way. What's all this "outrage etc. etc. etc." about? Are people supposed to treat child porn as a joke or something? And why wouldn't anyone comment on how fucked up it is that a judge considers a tax scam involving garlic to warrant a prison sentence but for images and videos of child abuse not to?

s7ryf3925pivug

Neither the fact he's a paedo, nor the fact the state says that's okey dokey since he's such an important member of society... neither of these thinhs surprise me at all

JMNolan

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/courts/dublin-man-found-with-gun-silencer-and-ammo-near-ikea-avoids-extra-jail-time

Judge Martin Nolan sentenced Hanney to five years imprisonment with the final two years suspended on July 19, 2016. Mr Justice Birmingham, who sat with Mr Justice John Edwards and Mr Justice John Hedigan, said the sentence eventually arrived at “might be said” to be at the absolute outer limits of leniency

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/courts/luas-driver-avoids-jail-for-stabbing-ex-girlfriends-former-partner

A Luas driver who stabbed his ex-girlfriend's former partner in the neck with a blade has been spared a jail term. Judge Martin Nolan told Nolan he was "a very lucky man" and it was "fortunate for everybody" that Mr Kelly's injuries had not been more serious.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/driver-with-483-convictions-gets-18-months-for-killing-teenager-1.2952680

driver with 483 convictions gets 18 months for killing teenager
Judge Martin Nolan said that although drink was a factor, the real factor in the case was Lynch’s speed and how he could not avoid the collision because he was driving at such speed. He sentenced him to 18 months in prison on the careless driving charge

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/news/234222/two-donegal-men-jailed-for-assaults-on-couple-at-their-home.html

Garda Denise Casserly told the court that the couple were watching television with their family at around 1am when they heard loud noises at the front gate. Mr McConnell went to investigate and saw three men at the gate. He tried to speak to them and a heated discussion started.

Kelly opened gate and ripped off his t-shirt and hit Mr McConnell in the face, splitting his lip.

Porter then punched him from behind on the back of the head. Kelly kicked Mr McConnell in the groin and they both dragged him to the ground.

Kelly punched Mr McConnell in the face and Garda Casserly said they then took turns to swig whiskey from a bottle while they kicked Mr McConnell.

Judge Nolan said the offences were in the mid to high range considering the injuries and the context of the assaults.

He imposed a two and half year custodial sentence on both men and suspended the last 12 months.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-stabbed-family-friend-with-bicycle-stabiliser-on-school-run-court-hears-35314505.html

He wanted to confront the victim about comments he allegedly made about his wife and stabbed the victim four times around the head and punched and kicked him. Yesterday Judge Nolan sentenced Ghambari to three years in prison which he suspended in full.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/suspended-sentence-for-boy-who-fractured-another-teens-skull-with-hammer-over-50-cannabis-deal-34758016.html
A south Dublin schoolboy who fractured another teen's skull with a hammer over €50 worth of cannabis has avoided a custodial sentence.
The 17-year-old boy from Foxrock, Dublin

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-23-receives-suspended-sentence-for-sexually-assaulting-woman-while-she-slept-in-her-own-bed-after-party-34347080.html
A man who sexually assaulted a woman following a party as she slept in her bed has been given a two-and-a-half year suspended sentence.
Stephen McCarthy (23) initially told gardai when questioned that he “tripped and landed on top of” the victim.

http://www.thejournal.ie/attack-man-tallaght-depressing-2497954-Dec2015/
A JUDGE HAS described as “depressing” an attack on a Zimbabwean man during which he was punched 18 times, kicked 13 times, kneed three times to the side of his head, stamped on seven times and stabbed four times.
Two teenagers who were captured on CCTV brutally beating the man before robbing his mobile phone were given five-and-a-half year sentences at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court. 18 months of the sentence was suspended for one of the attackers – the other had almost four years of the sentence suspended.

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/hit-and-run-driver-should-be-banned-for-life-says-mum-of-victim
The mother of a little girl who suffered horrific injuries in a hit-and-run has said the driver responsible "should have got banned for life". Martin Joyce (19) drove a car through a red light at a pedestrian crossing, flinging Jennifer Casey (7) into the air. He has been jailed for a year and banned from driving for four years.

http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.301/57425/0/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-threatened-to-kill-childrens-grandparents-with-axe-while-on-school-run-832346.html
A father-of-two who was swinging an axe when he threatened to kill his children's grandparents has been given a two and half year suspended sentence.

Our best judge

Mrcaramelchoc

Its a ****ing disgrace.does that judge actually believe that animal won't look at child porn again?

vicwatson

These judges live in a bubble, a garda protected bubble

nice_guy80

If he had never worked a day in his life and came from a rough background I wonder how he would have been treated?

60,000 images though? no prison time?
that's crazy

sbsquarepants

When the material was eventually examined four years later, gardaí discovered
58,585 child pornography images and 1,046 movies

Says it all about this countries official attitude to child abuse - takes 4 years to even take a look after a tip off from Canadian police and then when they find tens of thousands of images - sure no harm done anyway.

Would make you fúcking sick.

Samuel T. Cogley

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I'm confused about the point of the OP by the way. What's all this "outrage etc. etc. etc." about? Are people supposed to treat child porn as a joke or something? And why wouldn't anyone comment on how fucked up it is that a judge considers a tax scam involving garlic to warrant a prison sentence but for images and videos of child abuse not to?

Why wouldn't they indeed, on every. single. thread.

Samuel T. Cogley

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Says it all about this countries official attitude to child abuse - takes 4 years to even take a look after a tip off from Canadian police and then when they find tens of thousands of images - sure no harm done anyway.

Would make you fúcking sick.

They took a look immediately. The lab computers go to has a massive backlog however. I'd say let the dirty bugger sweat but it does look like this might have facilitated him retiring.

BattleCorp

brevity wrote: »

If someone is in possession of child porn images then they should be charged with child abuse or of being an accessory to child abuse.

While I am not standing up for the man, possessing child porn images isn't the same as abusing a child or being an accessory to child abuse. Yes, it should be a serious crime to possess such images but it isn't the same as abuse.

If I downloaded a clip of Mexican cartel members chopping the heads off people with a hatchet (freely available online), should I be charged with murder or being an accessory to murder? I think not.

There needs to be a serious change of attitude towards serious crime and repeat offenders in this country.

Agreed.

sbsquarepants

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

They took a look immediately. The lab computers go to has a massive backlog however. I'd say let the dirty bugger sweat but it does look like this might have facilitated him retiring.

No doubt, principle officer.....department of health and children no less!

I'm sure he must know a few people who could pull a few strings.

BattleCorp

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I'd say let the dirty bugger sweat but it does look like this might have facilitated him retiring.

I'd say as a career civil servant, he probably had enough years worked to facilitate him retiring early without much penalty.

Parkman77

Absolute farce of a judicial system.

topper75

wexie wrote: »

Where did they put the little clippy thing for the spare ball?

Spare tennis ball is held between the teeth.

Then again, I may be confusing that with another magazine.

Neyite

BattleCorp wrote: »

While I am not standing up for the man, possessing child porn images isn't the same as abusing a child or being an accessory to child abuse. Yes, it should be a serious crime to possess such images but it isn't the same as abuse.

If I downloaded a clip of Mexican cartel members chopping the heads off people with a hatchet (freely available online), should I be charged with murder or being an accessory to murder? I think not.
.

The difference with images of child sex abuse is that usually it's paid for. It's not something you stumble upon on YouTube like a Cartel beheading.
It's money driving this. Children get abused because perverts like this will buy the images.

These images might have been just kids innocently frolicking. But that's actually just grooming them for the more sinister and depraved stuff.

If you knew there was a video of you as a six year old being molested circulating the dark web, being wanked over by guys like this decades after the assault, do you not think that's going to fcuk with your ongoing mental health as an adult? Knowing your abuser continues to make money selling that video of you in pain?

That's why I think viewing child sex abuse images should be regarded as an ongoing crime on the person and have a mandatory sentence imposed for possession of it.

manonboard

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Let's face it, it's not like you can cure these kind of abnormalities of the human race.

A good long sentence of hard labour, with no parole would be preferable.

I'm very undecided how to deal with this issue.
On one hand, I have been conditioned to see these people with disgust.

On the other hand, I've been educated to understand that it's largely not a choice to feel these things, but that these people are hardwired this way. Just like being straight, gay, etc.
They can choose to not act on those impulses.. mostly.
However a life of constantly repression something as strong as the sexual urge..

I think its a horrible fate to have to deal with that curse in oneself. I cannot imagine having to suppress my sexual urges (hetrosexual cis man) throughout my life. It's a huge part of life, relationships, even friendships, attractions, media, consumerism, etc.

It would be fantastic to be able to cure them or rewire them to remove the dangerous conditioning.

I acknowledge that he has been in rehab for it since 2013. So i assume he is trying to fight his addiction.

BattleCorp

Neyite wrote: »

That's why I think viewing child sex abuse images should be regarded as an ongoing crime on the person and have a mandatory sentence imposed for possession of it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not standing up for the guy. I agree with what you have said above. I do think that viewing child sex abuse images should be regarded as an ongoing crime on the person and have a mandatory sentence imposed for possession of it. 100%.

The point I am making is that while it is very very bad and should be viewed as a serious crime, viewing the pictures isn't the equivalent of actually abusing the kids.

manonboard

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

They took a look immediately. The lab computers go to has a massive backlog however. I'd say let the dirty bugger sweat but it does look like this might have facilitated him retiring.

hmm.. then i wonder did he infact just go 'rehab' after he was caught, knowing he would be able to use it as a method of pleaing for leniency. I assume his solictor/himself/his community would know all the ins an outs of how those things work..

Keyzer

Disgusting, abhorrent, appalling...

This guy should be jailed for the rest of his natural life yet he gets three years suspended sentence.

And I can guarantee there wont be any protests on O'Connell st this weekend demonstrating the public's outrage.

yourdeadwright

Iv said it a million times, The Garda in this country get a rough time form the public but its the Judges who are a disgrace, Once again the Garda catch a scumbag and the Judges let him away scot free,
How do they have no one to answer to its 2018 and there still getting away with this ****, Stuff like this should be brought up in the Dail it makes a mockery of our whole country ,
Id go to jail for not paying bin charges but because this scumbag is from money he can do what he likes ,makes you sick ,

yourdeadwright

If ever we needed people to be out marching its for things like this ,Where are all the #ibelieverher crowd when the country really needs them

Keyzer

BattleCorp wrote: »

The point I am making is that while it is very very bad and should be viewed as a serious crime, viewing the pictures isn't the equivalent of actually abusing the kids.

You're 100% right.

Viewing them is worse than actually abusing the kids in question. I assume he paid for this disgusting filth so not only is he looking a child porn, he's paying someone else to have sex with kids to feed his depraved desires.

Keyzer

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If ever we needed people to be out marching its for things like this ,Where are all the #ibelieverher crowd when the country really needs them

Exactly...

Keyzer

manonboard wrote: »

I'm very undecided how to deal with this issue.
On one hand, I have been conditioned to see these people with disgust.

On the other hand, I've been educated to understand that it's largely not a choice to feel these things, but that these people are hardwired this way. Just like being straight, gay, etc.
They can choose to not act on those impulses.. mostly.
However a life of constantly repression something as strong as the sexual urge..

I think its a horrible fate to have to deal with that curse in oneself. I cannot imagine having to suppress my sexual urges (hetrosexual cis man) throughout my life. It's a huge part of life, relationships, even friendships, attractions, media, consumerism, etc.

It would be fantastic to be able to cure them or rewire them to remove the dangerous conditioning.

I acknowledge that he has been in rehab for it since 2013. So i assume he is trying to fight his addiction.

Lock them up for life (life being actual life).

Or de-ball them.

Shurimgreat

Its a strange one alright.
Judge and gardai said it was at the lower end of the scale.
But he did pay for them which I think should carry an automatic jail sentence.
My gut says this guy should have got a few years in jail.

Graces7

wexie wrote: »

surely we've a few spare Islands kicking about somewhere?

NO NO NO! Not the islands! lol.. I did think that once but different now i am on one.. maybe big old ships far out at sea? Yep, that'd do it, The old prison hulks like Dickens described.. But I think they tried that at Cork? Cobh?

https://www.spikeislandcork.ie/