Is Islam right for Ireland?

Brae100

It's not just KSA. The Emirates are despicable too. Women are treated like crap. I refuse to set foot there.

One thing I forgot to mention in this thread is that my sister is a consultant doctor. She has experienced Muslim doctors who have refused to shake her hand and subordinate Muslims who refuse to acknowledge her as their superior. Luckily, this behaviour is not tolerated in the Irish medical field and they are quickly brought to book. For the moment.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Judeo Christian culture is what made the west the best.

Don't let this thing creep. The last time it did it took the Vatican 400 years to react and fight back.


Crusades.

Omackeral

toshr wrote: »

There's nothing stopping you moving down there and promote that is there?

True. Unless you plan on keeping your hands/head intact. Not known for the auld tolerance down Saudi way... although they did allow women to start driving in some parts of it last year under supervision.

Wanderer78

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Judeo Christian culture is what made the west the best.

Ah yea, the ould Jesus is good crack, conveniently ignoring, the highly oppressive side of religious thinking, where we re all sinners! Get out of it! It's also important to realise, there's actually no such thing as 'the best' of anything in life, as life is highly subjective and relative. The west hasn't been all that great either, showing what can only be described as ignorance, selfishness, arrogance and pure greed.

gw80

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo Christian culture is what made the west the best.

Don't let this thing creep. The last time it did it took the Vatican 400 years to react and fight back.


Crusades.

The tuam babies would disagree with you there.

Pepefrogok

In regards to the call to prayer when the Muslim population gets to a large enough percentage things like the call to prayer and outside prayer are used to intimidate! Again this is quantifiable, it happens every single time, look at the problems all over Europe today with Muslims closing roads and praying outside, just pure intimidation.

OneEightSeven

gw80 wrote: »

The tuam babies would disagree with you there.

I don't like the Catholic Church, but I dread to imagine how small Ireland population would be if it wasn't for their conservative stance on women's rights. Ireland's fertility rates were huge before the women's rights movement in the '60s, yet our population kept shrinking due to emigration. It wasn't until Sean Lemass' economic reforms to industrialise Ireland when our population stop shrinking.

A United Ireland would be a pipe dream if it wasn't for Catholics out-breeding Protestants up north.

weldoninhio

Greyling wrote: »

This thread is world news? A load of people that haven't a notion what they're waffling on about isn't world news.

And yet, here you are.

malinheader

gw80 wrote: »

The tuam babies would disagree with you there.

Just as all the victims of the rape gangs will agree with the poster your replying to. We could go round in circles for hours playing tit for tat comments.So Do you think Islam is good for Ireland .

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

nope, not going to happen. planning laws won't allow for it. mind you i actually think the call can be a beautiful thing to hear. especially on an early summer morning as the sun rises.

Yes, It is quite beautiful. I've heard it in a variety of M.East/Asian countries. Very suitable to their foreign environments. I don't consider it suitable for Ireland, or most of Europe since the majority of the population is not Muslim.

it won't change regardless of numbers.

Specifics. Why?

Wibbs

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's also important to realise, there's actually no such thing as 'the best' of anything in life, as life is highly subjective and relative. The west hasn't been all that great either, showing what can only be described as ignorance, selfishness, arrogance and pure greed.

Ah here we go with the usual moral/cultural equivalence nonsense and self doubting westerner stuff so popular these days, particularly among "progressives".

I hate to break it to you, but yes one can make objective judgements about cultures. EG by any metric a woman living in Ireland is better off than a woman living in Saudi Arabia. Or India for that matter. Or most of the continent of Africa. The average person is better off in the same list. To deny that would be idiocy or obstinance or a mix of both.

Ever wonder why the "not so great" West is where people are fighting, even dying to get into? Don't see many Westerners showing up to countries outside the West in large numbers looking to settle. Unless as aid workers. Throughout the developed world outside the West what cultural model is the most followed? Pretty much every single thing you use, the fashion you wear, every law that protects you, the rights you hold dear, the medicine that cures you, nearly every politic and philosophy you follow was invented, developed and created in the West. Hell the LCD/LED, the glass, the plastics, the chips, the battery, the electricity itself on your pad/phone/laptop that you write this on was invented in the West. So yes the West has become with some well dodgy detours along the way the objectively better culture pretty much across the board. Doesn't mean it's not in need of improvement and the self reflection that comes with that, but even there it has a longer history than most in trying to improve.

Captain Obvious

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Good it’s their land that the schools are built on and when labour looked to change some schools to non denominational parents voted against it! Btw anyone notice all the Mosques starting to pop up around Ireland? New large mosque out near Blanchardstown, second mosque being built in Kilkenny, oh right your ok with that religon expanding here, i mean what could go wrong?
They Catholic Church have no influence in government decisions if so we wouldn’t have gay marriage or having a referendum coming up on the 8th!

You think it's good that community facilities are being sold after being left in trust to the catholic church to be run for communities but you are terrified by the thought of a mosque being built. That's just pathetically transparent.

Roger Hassenforder

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Get out of it! It's also important to realise, there's actually no such thing as 'the best' of anything in life, as life is highly subjective and relative. The west hasn't been all that great either, showing what can only be described as ignorance, selfishness, arrogance and pure greed.

There's certainly "better".
(Average/median whichever, in the West v. anywhere...)
Nutrition
Health
Access to water
Education
Womens rights
Human rights
Security and welfare
State support
Disability services
Anti poverty measures

Sure there are issues, but I'll take "the west" anyday over anywhere else.
Get out of it is right!

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Ah here we go with the usual moral/cultural equivalence nonsense and self doubting westerner stuff so popular these days, particularly among "progressives".

It's incredibly easy to be critical of your own culture. Without leaving the West for an extended period of time, I find that these people feel that they know Western culture so well, but really they have nothing to compare it to. They don't have firsthand experience of non-western cultures, except as a tourist or from secondary accounts like reading or other peoples opinions. But those limitations in knowledge won't stop them from making uninformed declarations about all cultures... Oh, they might get some things correct, but more from luck than anything else.

I used to think I knew Western culture quite well. I'd traveled throughout Europe, parts of the US, and Australia. I'd read about western history and culture all my life, so I thought I was rather clued in. However, after living in Russia, and Asia, my perception changed. Traveling through Africa with that changed perception forced me to reevaluate again, and again. To hear learn non-western people and media saw the west forced me to look at the West in a very different manner.

For me, the West is an incredible "civilisation". The standard of living in Western countries blows most other nations out of the water. Oh, you'll get similar in particular cities like Seoul, or Shanghai, but it's condensed into a city rather than a country, or continent. I could go on, and on about this topic but there's little point. As with many other cultures, westerners are convinced of their superiority in knowledge about culture. Ignorance isn't factored into that superiority... Still I really wish some of these progressives would live abroad for extended periods, and not in some secure compound or having translators/guides leading them to the "choice" spots.

Mutant z

Whataboutery whataboutery and even more whataboutery the usual deflecting from Islam can they give us a break please because its become tediously boring by this stage.

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Wish I could thank this post twice!

Wibbs wrote: »

Ah here we go with the usual moral/cultural equivalence nonsense and self doubting westerner stuff so popular these days, particularly among "progressives".

I hate to break it to you, but yes one can make objective judgements about cultures. EG by any metric a woman living in Ireland is better off than a woman living in Saudi Arabia. Or India for that matter. Or most of the continent of Africa. The average person is better off in the same list. To deny that would be idiocy or obstinance or a mix of both.

Ever wonder why the "not so great" West is where people are fighting, even dying to get into? Don't see many Westerners showing up to countries outside the West in large numbers looking to settle. Unless as aid workers. Throughout the developed world outside the West what cultural model is the most followed? Pretty much every single thing you use, the fashion you wear, every law that protects you, the rights you hold dear, the medicine that cures you, nearly every politic and philosophy you follow was invented, developed and created in the West. Hell the LCD/LED, the glass, the plastics, the chips, the battery, the electricity itself on your pad/phone/laptop that you write this on was invented in the West. So yes the West has become with some well dodgy detours along the way the objectively better culture pretty much across the board. Doesn't mean it's not in need of improvement and the self reflection that comes with that, but even there it has a longer history than most in trying to improve.

JohnMc1

end of the road wrote: »

nope, not going to happen. planning laws won't allow for it.

Thanks to a certain Councillor they're finding ways around it by labeling it as a Community Centre instead of a religious centre [Since there will be a Cafe and Community Centre in there as well] They're willing to pay the Council around €300,000-500,000 for the land. The Council will no doubt want that money. I would to know where they're getting the money from. €300,000-500,000 to buy the land and approx €5,000,000 to build. I thought they were coming over with only the shirts on their backs.

donegaLroad

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Thanks to a certain Councillor they're finding ways around it by labeling it as a Community Centre instead of a religious centre [Since there will be a Cafe and Community Centre in there as well] They're willing to pay the Council around €300,000-500,000 for the land. The Council will no doubt want that money. I would to know where they're getting the money from. €300,000-500,000 to buy the land and approx €5,000,000 to build. I thought they were coming over with only the shirts on their backs.

I know that the Saudi petro dollar has been used to build mosques in Britain, the US and other countries. A Saudi oil sheikh would find that kind of money down the back of the sofa.

JohnMc1

donegaLroad wrote: »

I know that the Saudi petro dollar has been used to build mosques in Britain, the US and other countries. A Saudi oil sheikh would find that kind of money down the back of the sofa.

The Imam here Kilkenny denies that,but its obviously true. Shows you what a scam this "refugee crisis" is. Saudi Arabi won't take any in, but they'll gladly give money to build mosques. Only the virtue signalers can't see this for the invasion that it actually is.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

For me, the West is an incredible "civilisation". The standard of living in Western countries blows most other nations out of the water. Oh, you'll get similar in particular cities like Seoul, or Shanghai, but it's condensed into a city rather than a country, or continent.

And Seoul and Korea itself has been heavily influenced by the Americans after the Korean War. To a visiting alien Shanghai and cities like it would be seen as mostly "western". The modern(and a few bits of not so modern) architecture, fashion, technology, media looks more "western" than "local".

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Shows you what a scam this "refugee crisis" is. Saudi Arabi won't take any in, but they'll gladly give money to build mosques.

That's been noted even by Saudi commentators themselves. A few of the religious types have questioned why they havent been taking in more of their refugee Muslim brothers and sisters. Cartoonists got in on the act too.



Their officials quickly quieted that stuff down.

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Imam here Kilkenny denies that,but its obviously true. Shows you what a scam this "refugee crisis" is. Saudi Arabi won't take any in, but they'll gladly give money to build mosques. Only the virtue signalers can't see this for the invasion that it actually is.

I'd suggest you drop that in the bin, along with your "white genocide" nonsense. There.s now 3 and a half million in turkey alone.
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/syria#_ga=2.24492602.1018811071.1525011530-1382945679.1525011530

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd suggest you drop that in the bin, along with your "white genocide" nonsense. There.s now 3 and a half million in turkey alone.
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/syria#_ga=2.24492602.1018811071.1525011530-1382945679.1525011530

Sure Mr. Snopes is a reliable source. If Multiculturalism is so wonderful then why didn't they start on the 3rd World Countries to help bring them up? Why use our Countries as a testing lab?

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Sure Mr. Snopes is a reliable source.

Address the issue at hand.

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Sure Mr. Snopes is a reliable source. If Multiculturalism is so wonderful then why didn't they start on the 3rd World Countries to help bring them up? Why use our Countries as a testing lab?

...I have no idea what that refers to......

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd suggest you drop that in the bin, along with your "white genocide" nonsense. There.s now 3 and a half million in turkey alone.
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/syria#_ga=2.24492602.1018811071.1525011530-1382945679.1525011530

So what Country are you planning on running to when you get your precious diversity?

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

...I have no idea what that refers to......

Sure you don't.:rolleyes:

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So what Country are you planning on running to when you get your precious diversity?

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Sure you don't.:rolleyes:

Would you care to refer to the numbers provided in post 1326?

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

Would you care to refer to the numbers provided in post 1326?

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

[..............

Again - would you care to address the numbers linked in post 1326?

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

Again - would you care to address the numbers linked in post 1326?

Why should I when you previously posted from a biased source. You'd be crying if I posted something from Fox News.

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Why should I when you previously posted from a biased source. You'd be crying if I posted something from Fox News.

Location name Source Data date Population
Turkey Government of Turkey, UNHCR 19 Apr 2018 63.5% 3,584,179
Lebanon UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 17.6 991,165
Jordan UNHCR 7 Apr 2018 11.7% 661,859
Iraq UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 4.4% 248,382
Egypt UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 2.3% 128,507
Other (North Africa) UNHCR 15 Mar 2018 0.6% 33,545

Here are the figures from earlier. Could you address them in terms of your remark as to "what a scam this "refugee crisis" is.

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

Location name Source Data date Population
Turkey Government of Turkey, UNHCR 19 Apr 2018 63.5% 3,584,179
Lebanon UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 17.6 991,165
Jordan UNHCR 7 Apr 2018 11.7% 661,859
Iraq UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 4.4% 248,382
Egypt UNHCR 31 Mar 2018 2.3% 128,507
Other (North Africa) UNHCR 15 Mar 2018 0.6% 33,545

Here are the figures from earlier. Could you address them in terms of your remark as to "what a scam this "refugee crisis" is.

Well Mr. Fake News. it is a scam because they're not real refugees. They lost the right to that when passed through several safe zones to get here. They're Economic migrants aka Benefits shoppers.

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Well Mr. Fake News. it is a scam because they're not real refugees.

You're saying that - for example - the 3.5 million Syrians in Turkey - are not real refugees? Please explain.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

They lost the right to that when passed through several safe zones to get here. They're Economic migrants aka Benefits shoppers.

You seem to be confusing your opinion with law and fact.

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

You're saying that - for example - the 3.5 million Syrians in Turkey - are not real refugees? Please explain.



You seem to be confusing your opinion with law and fact.

To claim refugee status they have to go to there nearest safe zone. That's common knowledge. Except for virtue signalers like you

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

To claim refugee status they have to go to there nearest safe zone. That's common knowledge. Except for virtue signalers like you

No, they do not, as has been hashed out on this board in numerous discussions.

Would you care to address the 3.5 million syrians in Turkey alone - why are they there?

JohnMc1

Odhinn wrote: »

No, they do not, as has been hashed out on this board in numerous discussions.

Would you care to address the 3.5 million syrians in Turkey alone - why are they there?

So because some Syrians made it to Turkey we should ignore all the others that are coming over trying to claim Refugee status?

Snake Plisken

It’s not stopping the migrants flowing in from Turkey to Greece as this article states. EU should be helping Greece and Italy secure their borders and didn’t the EU pay Turkey to hold the migrants there.

https://twitter.com/v_of_europe/status/990612966692347904?s=21

Greyling

Odhinn wrote: »

You're saying that - for example - the 3.5 million Syrians in Turkey - are not real refugees? Please explain.



You seem to be confusing your opinion with law and fact.

He's too busy hysterically wetting his pants with the rest of the simpletons to explain anything.

JohnMc1

Greyling wrote: »

He's too busy hysterically wetting his pants with the rest of the simpletons to explain anything.

As I said two posts above you. So should we ignore the ones coming from other Countries [The Navy was overglorified taxi at one point. Taking them from Libya to Europe] to claim refugee status just because some Syrians made it Turkey?

Speaking of wetting pants. I'm sure you and Mr. Fake News and Capt. Oblivious are checking airlines on where to go if they dare build a mosque where you live. The Virtue Signalling from you lot is laughable.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

As I said two posts above you. So should we ignore the ones coming from other Countries [The Navy was overglorified taxi at one point. Taking them from Libya to Europe] to claim refugee status just because some Syrians made it Turkey?

Speaking of wetting pants. I'm sure you and Mr. Fake News and Capt. Oblivious are checking airlines on where to go if they dare build a mosque where you live. The Virtue Signalling from you lot is laughable.

Doesn't seem like you've been following the thread very well. I couldn't give a monkeys if they built a mosque near me. Did you confuse me for someone else?

Greyling

JohnMc1 wrote: »

As I said two posts above you. So should we ignore the ones coming from other Countries [The Navy was overglorified taxi at one point. Taking them from Libya to Europe] to claim refugee status just because some Syrians made it Turkey?

Speaking of wetting pants. I'm sure you and Mr. Fake News and Capt. Oblivious are checking airlines on where to go if they dare build a mosque where you live. The Virtue Signalling from you lot is laughable.

Ahhh, fake news, virtue signallers... Ahhh.

Cop yourself on. Have a look at house prices around Clonskeagh.

JohnMc1

Snake Plisken wrote: »

It’s not stopping the migrants flowing in from Turkey to Greece as this article states. EU should be helping Greece and Italy secure their borders and didn’t the EU pay Turkey to hold the migrants there.

https://twitter.com/v_of_europe/status/990612966692347904?s=21

They paid Turkey. And Erodgan keeps threatening to release them all into Europe if they don't give them more money.

The EU should be helping Greece and Italy secure their Borders,but for some reason Merkel and co. want them here.

JohnMc1

Greyling wrote: »

Ahhh, fake news, virtue signallers... Ahhh.

Cop yourself on. Have a look at house prices around Clonskeagh.

Gee.. I wonder if the increase in population has anything to do with that. :rolleyes:

JohnMc1

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Doesn't seem like you've been following the thread very well. I couldn't give a monkeys if they built a mosque near me. Did you confuse me for someone else?

So you got your escape route all planned then.

Greyling

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Gee.. I wonder if the increase in population has anything to do with that. :rolleyes:

Ahhh.... GEE.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So you got your escape route all planned then.

Maybe for when you and the boys eventually put on the white pointy hats and take to the streets.

JohnMc1

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So you got your escape route all planned then.

Can I ask what is this focus on him (or others not against Islamic immigration) leaving the country after Islamic influence becomes established?

Has there been an exodus of liberals from France, Germany, etc?

JohnMc1

Greyling wrote: »

Ahhh.... GEE.

So you're complaining about the rent prices going up [and food prices has been going up too] but you still want to take in more people and only strain our economy even more. I don't think you thought this through.

JohnMc1

Deleted User wrote: »

Can I ask what is this focus on him (or others not against Islamic immigration) leaving the country after Islamic influence becomes established?

Has there been an exodus of liberals from France, Germany, etc?

Because its usually the biggest virtue signallers that want to run from the problem that they created.

JohnMc1

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Maybe for when you and the boys eventually put on the white pointy hats and take to the streets.

A KKK reference. wow. I'm surprised. Its not like virtue signalers such as yourself having been using that when people don't goosestep to their narrative.