Is Islam right for Ireland?

Hector Savage

Would it be possible to add a poll to this thread ?

Franz Von Peppercorn

weisses wrote: »

Why would whe have a problem in the Future ?

Do you think Muslims will dictate if you can or cannot have a pork chop here in Ireland?

Sure why wouldn’t they if they ever were a majority. That’s the way democracy works.

Even without laws there could be significant changes to what is sold in shops. Happens with alcohol and other foods in predominately Muslim areas in Britain.

Taytoland

bubblypop wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

I disagree with it. But Buddhists aren't running around Europe bombing us, stabbing us, running over us with trucks, going on suicide missions just to carry out these acts alone. The Manchester bombing alone was an absolute outrage and to expect people in Britain or Ireland to just forget about such actions or not comment on the religion which inspires them to do it, then I don't know what to tell those people. It's perfectly rational for people to be angry, upset, annoyed and skeptical of Islam.

It's not that long since the IRA bombed Manchester, & no it's not whataboutery, the terrorists didn't speak for all Irish people.
Neither do the terrorists of Islamic faith speak for all Muslims.

No one said they did speak for all Muslims but the truth is Islam plays a part in inspiring these suicidal lunatics all over Europe who are murdering people. It's just a fact. Deny it all you want.

thebull85

Hector Savage wrote: »

Would it be possible to add a poll to this thread ?

+1 for that.

Mutant z

weisses wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Incredibly myopic way of thinking; we don't have an issue now, therefore we'll never have an issue in the future.

Why would whe have a problem in the Future ?

Do you think Muslims will dictate if you can or cannot have a pork chop here in Ireland ?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

All depends on who you view as the greater authority on the English language;
The Oxford English, Collins, and Cambridge dictionaries, ... or the Huffington Post.

I could post different sources but I decided to use a simple cartoon for you

http://www.robot-hugs.com/definition/

Absolutely they would they are already dictating to allow sharia law into the country why not everything else. Nothing good ever comes when you have a large population of muslims just look at Islamic majority countries for proof of it the sad thing Europe is well on its way to create carbon copies of it if it continues down the path its currently taking.

2 Scoops

Hector Savage wrote: »

Always found it amazing the way the LGBT community gets behind Islam

I don't think the real LGBT community does, just those looking for power using whatever the moral outrage of the day entails.

Sure the Women's march in the US attracted millions and they were being led by a known terrorist, a murderer and Linda Sarsour who has openly called for Sharia law in the US whilst trying on Hijab's and showing everyone how tolerant they are. Logic doesn't resonate with these people.

In fairness to Trump he got millions more obese Women out walking in his first day in office than Michelle Obama managed in eight years.

Captain Obvious

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Incredibly myopic way of thinking; we don't have an issue now, therefore we'll never have an issue in the future.



All depends on who you view as the greater authority on the English language;
The Oxford English, Collins, and Cambridge dictionaries, ... or the Huffington Post.

How about the UN's International Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination which is signed by 179 parties? It describes racial discrimination as

any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life

2 Scoops

Captain Obvious wrote: »

How about the UN's International Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Is Scientology a race too?

Captain Obvious

2 Scoops wrote: »

Is Scientology a race too?

Hard to see how it would fit into the definition.

2 Scoops

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Hard to see how it would fit into the definition.

You're kind of missing the core word, Religion.

Why is it that Sikhism for example in the UK doesn't attract such scrutiny?

SnakePlissken

Captain Obvious wrote: »

How about the UN's International Convention on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination which is signed by 179 parties? It describes racial discrimination as

The UN is both fallable and biased, the OED is not.

Captain Obvious

2 Scoops wrote: »

You're kind of missing the core word, Religion.

Yes it's an interesting one. Some people argue it comes under ethnicity as shared religious belief tends to be a defining characteristic of them. But the fact is you cannot ban someone based on their religion because there is no definitive test for religious belief. So the only way to do it is by something like nationality, which brings it under the defintion.


Religion was going to be specifically included in the resolution but it was the Arab nations who pushed for it to be given a separate declaration

2 Scoops wrote: »

Why is it that Sikhism for example in the UK doesn't attract such scrutiny?

There are specific exemptions in English law for Sikhs, the kind of exemptions that I'd bet you'd wretch at if they were introduced for Muslims.

BoJack Horseman

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There are specific exemptions in English law for Sikhs, the kind of exemptions that I'd bet you'd wretch at if they were introduced for Muslims.

Indeed.

they don't have to wear helmets in roles requiring them.

But then they don't get a blind eye to f*ck hundreds of children over the years.

so.... your still coming out on top there in fairness

2 Scoops

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There are specific exemptions in English law for Sikhs, the kind of exemptions that I'd bet you'd wretch at if they were introduced for Muslims.

What about Hinduism?

You're clutching at straws man, it's really quite pathetic in my eyes but each to their own.

2 Scoops

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Indeed.

they don't have to wear helmets in roles requiring them.

But then they don't get a blind eye to f*ck hundreds of children over the years.

so.... your still coming out on top there in fairness

Hundreds :pac:

SnakePlissken

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There are specific exemptions in English law for Sikhs, the kind of exemptions that I'd bet you'd wretch at if they were introduced for Muslims.

Are you referencing their right to carry/wear Kirpans? I fully support their right to do so, Sikhs throughout Europe and North America have proven themselves as incredibly peaceful, tolerant, and productive members of their respective communities.

RandomName2

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yes it's an interesting one. Some people argue it comes under ethnicity as shared religious belief tends to be a defining characteristic of them. But the fact is you cannot ban someone based on their religion because there is no definitive test for religious belief.

I think the Chinese Communist party would have a word with you about that.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Religion was going to be specifically included in the resolution but it was the Arab nations who pushed for it to be given a separate declaration

Certain Arab nations, presumably, as many have typically been ruled by militaristic governments who have, besides some lip service, been vehemently secular. One of the reasons why Assad is the best bet for Syria, going forward.

Captain Obvious

2 Scoops wrote: »

What about Hinduism?

You're clutching at straws man, it's really quite pathetic in my eyes but each to their own.

You asked me about them and I answered. How is that clutching at straws? What point are you trying to make. Hindus have faced massive discrimination in the UK.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Are you referencing their right to carry/wear Kirpans? I fully support their right to do so, Sikhs throughout Europe and North America have proven themselves as incredibly peaceful, tolerant, and productive members of their respective communities.

It does not surprise me that you have no issue with religious discrimination.

RandomName2 wrote: »

I think the Chinese Communist party would have a word with you about that.

Known for their tolerance they were.

Brae100

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-verbally-abused-thrown-bike-12741665.amp?__twitter_impression=true

weldoninhio

Brae100 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-verbally-abused-thrown-bike-12741665.amp?__twitter_impression=true

There’ll be someone along in a minute to tell you that we are only getting one side of the story.

Blaas4life

weldoninhio wrote: »

There’ll be someone along in a minute to tell you that we are only getting one side of the story.

Tbf noone likes cyclists

Beechwoodspark

Brae100 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-verbally-abused-thrown-bike-12741665.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Hopefully there is cctv to show who these men are and they can be taken in for questioning by the guards and a file sent to the DPP

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Would it be possible to add a poll to this thread ?

What kind of poll would you like to see?

Mutant z

Mutant z wrote: »

Absolutely they would they are already dictating to allow sharia law into the country why not everything else. Nothing good ever comes when you have a large population of muslims just look at Islamic majority countries for proof of it the sad thing Europe is well on its way to create carbon copies of it if it continues down the path its currently taking.

I live in a majority Muslim country. There are none of the issues you seem to think come with it?

Brae100

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hopefully there is cctv to show who these men are and they can be taken in for questioning by the guards and a file sent to the DPP

Shayk Umar Al-Qadri from the Blanch Mosque cleared up some misinformation about the incident. He's a moderate Muslim who represents a version of Islam that most us would have no problem with. The incident happened outside the separate, nearby Shuhada centre.


Check out @DrUmarAlQadri’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/DrUmarAlQadri/status/1009099645371469829?s=09

K.Flyer

The Highwayman wrote: »

There we go another pig stupid comment from a snowf***e who hasn't the first clue about the topic. Yes women enter mosques.

There is a famous saying. "When you have no knowledge of the issue, shut the f**k up."

Words you should live by ;-)

Some mosques in the U.K. do not allow women.
Most mosques, women are to enter through a side door, Clonskeagh included.
Women are not allowed pray amongst the men in the main prayer hall, they must be at the back, on a balcony area or else they pray in a seperate area.

Brae100

bubblypop wrote: »

I live in a majority Muslim country. There are none of the issues you seem to think come with it?

Muslim majority countries have fallen back at a rate off knots compared to Western countries. Their archaic adherence to an antiquitated book is holding them back.

Blaas4life

K.Flyer wrote: »

Some mosques in the U.K. do not allow women.
Most mosques, women are to enter through a side door, Clonskeagh included.
Women are not allowed pray amongst the men in the main prayer hall, they must be at the back, on a balcony area or else they pray in a seperate area.

Clonskeagh isn't in the uk?

Brae100

Brae100 wrote: »

Muslim majority countries have fallen back at a rate off knots compared to Western countries. Their archaic adherence to an antiquitated book is holding them back.

And yet, there are none of the issues you talk about here?

Blaas4life

Blaas4life wrote: »

Clonskeagh isn't in the uk?

So?
Women don't go to prayer
Women don't go to burials
What's the problem?

o1s1n

bubblypop wrote: »

And yet, there are none of the issues you talk about here?

When did Ireland become a Muslim majority country?

Blaas4life

bubblypop wrote: »

So?
Women don't go to prayer
Women don't go to burials
What's the problem?

I dislike the presumption people can pass off parts of ireland as bring in the uk??


Don't really cares about the religious sh1te.... (it's not real,but shush )

o1s1n

o1s1n wrote: »

When did Ireland become a Muslim majority country?

I don't live in Ireland

K.Flyer

Blaas4life wrote: »

Clonskeagh isn't in the uk?

You don't say :rolleyes:

ToddyDoody

As per always, a Wikipedia page is worth both a goose and a gander.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

Dyr

ToddyDoody wrote: »

As per always, a Wikipedia page is worth both a goose and a gander.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

Wikipedia is absolutely useless for any contentious subject matter.

ELM327

Brae100 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-verbally-abused-thrown-bike-12741665.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Absolute scum of the highest order.
Their attitudes towards women is not welcome in this country.

weldoninhio

Blaas4life wrote: »

Clonskeagh isn't in the uk?

Poster never said or even inferred that Clonskeagh was in U.K.

ELM327

bubblypop wrote: »

I live in a majority Muslim country. There are none of the issues you seem to think come with it?

Birmingham?
Paris?
London?

Timberrrrrrrr

ELM327 wrote: »

Birmingham?
Paris?
London?

None of those cities are majority Muslim but I'm sure you already knew this :rolleyes:

ELM327

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

None of those cities are majority Muslim but I'm sure you already knew this :rolleyes:

I'm sure you were aware of the point that was being made. Inshallah.

Timberrrrrrrr

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm sure you were aware of the point that was being made. Inshallah.

What point?

inforfun

If Social Democrats start to wake up,you know you have a problem

https://theoldcontinent.eu/denmark-social-democrats-immigration/

Piece is based on an item that was on the Dutch state tv NOS in march. Clip i nthe article is a mix of Dutch, Danish and English (subtitled).
Most of the interviews with the Danish politicians are in English

Denmark, in the early 90's had 1% non-western immigrants. That is now up to 8% already. that is how fast it can go in a country with no colonial links to any Islamic country whatsoever.

The_Kew_Tour

inforfun wrote: »

If Social Democrats start to wake up,you know you have a problem

https://theoldcontinent.eu/denmark-social-democrats-immigration/

Piece is based on an item that was on the Dutch state tv NOS in march. Clip i nthe article is a mix of Dutch, Danish and English (subtitled).
Most of the interviews with the Danish politicians are in English

Denmark, in the early 90's had 1% non-western immigrants. That is now up to 8% already. that is how fast it can go in a country with no colonial links to any Islamic country whatsoever.

You could see that difference from when I visited Denmark in 2008 and then last winter.

Hector Savage

2 Scoops wrote: »

I don't think the real LGBT community does, just those looking for power using whatever the moral outrage of the day entails.

Sure the Women's march in the US attracted millions and they were being led by a known terrorist, a murderer and Linda Sarsour who has openly called for Sharia law in the US whilst trying on Hijab's and showing everyone how tolerant they are. Logic doesn't resonate with these people.

In fairness to Trump he got millions more obese Women out walking in his first day in office than Michelle Obama managed in eight years.

:D Take a bow sir !!

Hector Savage

bubblypop wrote: »

What kind of poll would you like to see?

Maybe exactly what the thread title says :

Is Islam right for Ireland ? - Yes/No ....

realitykeeper

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Sorry mate, your neo feudalism isn’t going to play.

Something is going to play and it ain`t gonna be pretty.

JohnMc1

So word going round in Kilkenny now is that they may withdraw their application for the mosque on the Hebron Industrial estate [overlooking St. Kieran's Cemetery, O'Loughlin Gaels GAA club and Nowlan Park]claiming the builders were being "creased" by the developers. In reality it was because the Council had 18 strict questions that they wanted answered [mostly in regards to finance]

Hopefully this starts a trend of County Councils demanding to know where these "poor and destitute" people are getting the money to build mosques. The Dail should ban all Saudi funding immediately.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So word going round in Kilkenny now is that they may withdraw their application for the mosque on the Hebron Industrial estate [overlooking St. Kieran's Cemetery, O'Loughlin Gaels GAA club and Nowlan Park]claiming the builders were being "creased" by the developers. In reality it was because the Council had 18 strict questions that they wanted answered [mostly in regards to finance]

Hopefully this starts a trend of County Councils demanding to know where these "poor and destitute" people are getting the money to build mosques. The Dail should ban all Saudi funding immediately.

Is there a source for this we can have a look at?

JohnMc1

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is there a source for this we can have a look at?

The Kilkenny Journal and Eugene McGuinness [who is looking to run for County Council next year.

https://www.facebook.com/KilkennyJournal/posts/1703449069722426?comment_id=1703809089686424&notif_id=1529989836519971&notif_t=feed_comment_reply