Is Islam right for Ireland?

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Anyway , if your so worried about the oncoming hordes of the invasion sponsered by merkel , perhaps take up arms because soapboxing here under various names.

I can open and close accounts as I please. You really shouldn't get agitated about that. Not something you can control.

Roger Hassenforder

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-07/women-subjected-to-daily-trauma-on-tokyo-subway-gropers/8166672

"Thousands" ?


*Arches eyebrow quizically

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

I can open and close accounts as I please. You really shouldn't get agitated about that. Not something you can control.

Whatever you say Alex Jones. whatever you say.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Whatever you say Alex Jones. whatever you say.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/these-photos-of-detained-children-have-just-gone-viral-but-all-is-not-as-it-seems/news-story/272fd60100e8a91957a9259013c33342

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Because I'm not (..............) are.

So you just went along with your prejudice and not a bother on ye. There is a word for that sort of thing, which you can't really deny, having just given a classic example of it.

2 Scoops

Odhinn wrote: »

So you just went along with your prejudice and not a bother on ye. There is a word for that sort of thing, which you can't really deny, having just given a classic example of it.

Logic.

Islam isn't a race.

Brae100

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Thousands of school girls and women are groped/sexually assaulted on public transport every day, will you be calling for a ban on all Japanese men arriving in Ireland to ensure the women of Ireland are protected?

That's a good point actually. Japanese sexual culture is quite worrying. As well as the practice of public groping, 10% of Japanese men have viewed peadophila videos. If we were looking at mass immgration of that cultural norm I'd also be worried.

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Logic.

Islam isn't a race.

Dear o dear.



You are bigoted against muslims. You can object to whatever way that's described all you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

Captain Obvious

Brae100 wrote: »

32.69% of Muslims believe in the death penalty for apostasy. That's some amount of psychpaths. Could it be perhaps, that Islam might be the problem?

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Muslims-think-that-ex-Muslims-deserve-death-for-leaving-Islam

Those figures don't seem to include Muslims in Europe, Australia, the USA or South America though do they? is that not a bit slanted?

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I wonder had that poor girl such a well intentioned and virtuous neighbour such as yourself to guarantee her safety and assure her all will be well because she was in Canada rather than Kipistan... "could never happen here" I can imagine such a person saying.

I wonder if she had a neighbour such as you who laments her lost light while watching from afar.

2 Scoops wrote: »

You constantly say things like people just randomly pick out single instances of Muslim's or Islamic problems creating bad things around Europe and then using it to condemn a large group, but when large groups of Muslims are doing bad things across Europe what's your argument then? It's you who are using the strawman imo.

Over 220,000 Women were sexually harassed on France's public transport system over 2 years. That isn't picking out a single instance and using it to smear many, that is a clear widespread problem. Is that project fear, is that the dystopian fantasy world you're alluding to?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-france-sexcrimes/220000-women-sexually-harassed-on-public-transport-in-france-study-idUSKBN1EF2J2

https://www.thelocal.fr/20160615/half-of-french-woman-alter-clothes-to-avoid-harassment

"One in two women in France will choose trousers over a skirt to avoid becoming the victim of sexual harassment on public transport, a new survey has revealed. Not only that but nearly 90 percent of respondents say they have experienced harassment in some shape or form when on public transport.
According to a study of over 6,000 people by the National Federation of Association of Transport Users (Fnaut), women's fear of harassment significantly changes their behaviour on public transport in France. Some 48 percent of those questioned said they would change what they're wearing when they travel by Metro, bus or train, opting for trousers or using a scarf to hide cleavage."

That says nothing about Muslims

2 Scoops wrote: »

Ah the Swedish approach, if we don't release the ethnicity/Religion of the perpetrators then we can deny deny deny.

What defining factors do you think in recent history may have warranted Women to start covering themselves up in public. I know it might be mentally testing for you, but there's a gold star and lollipop waiting in the event you figure it out.

Ah, the far right approach. If the information is not available then make it up.

2 Scoops

Odhinn wrote: »

Dear o dear.



You are bigoted against muslims. You can object to whatever way that's described all you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

I'm not "bigoted" against individuals, I'm against Islamic culture.

My viewpoint isn't that hard to comprehend, I look what's occurred in Europe over the past ~10 years then make a judgement on the impact immigration from predominantly Muslim countries has had and whether that's been a positive or negative effect.

Obvious factors being security, culture, integration, crime and so on.

There has been no positives and Europe as a result is a worse place. The end.

Brae100

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Those figures don't seem to include Muslims in Europe...

Yet. But you want to import those who hold these beliefs. Experience in other countries has shown that they retain these beliefs and are reluctant to assimilate.

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

I'm not "bigoted" against individuals, I'm against Islamic culture. .

Ian Paisley used say much the same with regard to catholics.



Here you are in another thread going on about muslims, with no basis in fact.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107293288&postcount=549

2 Scoops wrote: »

My viewpoint isn't that hard to comprehend, I look what's occurred in Europe over the past ~10 years ..........

....make up your own "facts" in the process and come to a conclusion that supports your pre-existing prejudice, like you did in that thread re kilkenny.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

I'm not "bigoted" against individuals, I'm against Islamic culture.

My viewpoint isn't that hard to comprehend, I look what's occurred in Europe over the past ~10 years then make a judgement on the impact immigration from predominantly Muslim countries has had and whether that's been a positive or negative effect.

Obvious factors being security, culture, integration, crime and so on.

There has been no positives and Europe as a result is a worse place. The end.

So your bigoted against all them . Fantastic, now you've admitted that we can all move on with our lives.

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WinnyThePoo wrote: »

So your bigoted against all them . Fantastic, now you've admitted that we can all move on with our lives.

So you're pro Islamic culture? You think demeaning Women and homosexuals is a good thing?

You'll really have to try harder than that, pull away from play-doh and try again.

There's a good lad.

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Odhinn wrote: »

....make up your own "facts"

Could have sworn you were the one who said Trump was kidnapping children and the detention centers were akin to Nazi Germany, maybe I'm wrong.

Hans Bricks

"The strange death of Europe" by Douglas Murray.

Eye opening read.

That should answer your question for those of you genuinely interested.

Oh and a resounding No from me.

Brae100

I think the basic problem with a lot of the "right on" posters here is that they simply have no idea what Islam is. They just see a minority that they feel compelled to defend and virtue signal about. I was exactly the same a few years ago until I actually read up a bit more on the subject.

Islam is not just a religion, it is a political movement and a complete way of life. In the west, we just don't understand this. It would help if people viewed Islam as akin to fascist political beliefs akin to National Socialism, rather than a minority religion.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

So you're pro Islamic culture? You think demeaning Women and homosexuals is a good thing?

You'll really have to try harder than that, pull away from play-doh and try again.

There's a good lad.

So Hank . Not everyone lives in the football/ tribal view of the world you do. People finds bigots like yourself appalling. Your ideas and ideologies are disgusting. Your uneducated hatred is glaring, but that doesn't mean I or we( as a society) want to live in an Islamic state.

Stay off the ten minute Youtube white identity videos, there not helping.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

So Hank . Not everyone lives in the football/ tribal view of the world you do. People finds bigots like yourself appalling. Your ideas and ideologies is digusting. Your uneducated hatred is glaring, but that doesn't mean I or we( as a society) want to live in an Islamic state.

Stay off the ten minute Youtube white identity videos, there not helping.

Sadly, your name calling doesn't mask the fact that you cannot debate either rationally or intelligently.

I said I was against Islamic culture and you attacked me for it, clearly your standpoint must be pro Islamic culture if that's the case.

You can name call and squeal all you want, it doesn't bother me in the least. It's the normal defense tactic from people such as yourself when you've just been made to look an abhorrent fool.

Snake Plisken

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

So Hank . Not everyone lives in the football/ tribal view of the world you do. People finds bigots like yourself appalling. Your ideas and ideologies are disgusting. Your uneducated hatred is glaring, but that doesn't mean I or we( as a society) want to live in an Islamic state.

Stay off the ten minute Youtube white identity videos, there not helping.

So you have no response except a nasty attack on the poster? Also throw in a bit of the auld white hating. You really are a piece of work aren't you!

Brae100

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So you have no response except a nasty attack on the poster? Also throw in a bit of the auld white hating. You really are a piece of work aren't you!

The student Union brigade bringing their months of adult life experience to the table! Their intolerance is so ironic.

WinnyThePoo

Im not name callng, your three profiles have a rich history of bigotry.

Where did it say muslims in the articles you posted Hank/Noel/2scoops?

Your a bigot. You can't argue that your not. Look in the mirror and stop looking at white identity videos on youtube.

WinnyThePoo

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So you have no response except a nasty attack on the poster? Also throw in a bit of the auld white hating. You really are a piece of work aren't you!

I' ma white hater. Brillant. You guys are so much fun. Do any of you actually live in ireland.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Im not name callng, your three profiles have a rich history of bigotry.

Where did it say muslims in the articles you posted Hank/Noel/2scoops?

Your a bigot. You can't argue that your not. Look in the mirror and stop looking at white identity videos on youtube.

The only person I see bringing up race is you. You'd want to thread lightly, people have been banned for less. Calling someone a racist and white supremacist is a serious offense.

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Could have sworn you were the one who said Trump was kidnapping children and the detention centers were akin to Nazi Germany, maybe I'm wrong.

No "maybe" about it, but don't let facts get in your way now.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

The only person I see bringing up race is you. You'd want to thread lightly, people have been banned for less. Calling someone a racist and white supremacist is a serious offense.

You don't know what bigot means do you?

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You don't know what bigot means do you?

Why are you telling me to go watch white supremacist videos on youtube?

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

Why are you telling me to go watch white supremacist videos on youtube?

Its just a google away, easy enough to type. Definition should come up fairly quickly.

2 Scoops

Odhinn wrote: »

No "maybe" about it, but don't let facts get in your way now.

Apologies, I mixed you up with Captain Obvious.

Timberrrrrrrr

2 Scoops wrote: »

That story is about a single girl, you said thousands were being assaulted every day but it doesn't mention that. Either way I was talking about Ireland.

It's apples and oranges, Sweden have had to cancel their biggest concerts due to sexual assaults. Of course the naysayers here will say it has nothing to do with the influx of migrants because the Swedish authorities will not release the crime statistics.

http://www.thejournal.ie/bravalla-festival-cancelled-rape-sexual-assault-2018-3477017-Jul2017/

From the link

But train travel in some of the world's most crowded cities holds a sinister threat for women and girls who ride the rails — the risk of groping.

It has been a longstanding problem, but it is not commonly talked about in Japan and continues to be an under-reported problem.

Would you like more links? Japan has a massive problem with sexual assault on public transport and also with rape.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Where did it say muslims in the articles you posted?

Your a bigot.

Islam isn't a race. I don't care what you think of me, from the chatham poll among others the majority of people in Europe agree immigration from Islamic countries has brought problems, which is why in recent years you've see the rise of right wing and hard immigration policies rising across Europe.
Sweden continues to not publish their crime statistics based on ethnicity or religion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.a7a3dec55bb0



"More than 2,000 men were allegedly involved, and 120 suspects — about half of them foreign nationals who had only recently arrived in Germany — have been identified.
Only four have been convicted, but more trials are underway.
On Thursday, a court in Cologne sentenced two men in the New Year's Eve assaults. Hussein A., a 21-year-old Iraqi, and Hassan T., a 26-year-old Algerian, were handed suspended one-year sentences. Both arrived in Germany in the past two years, a court spokesman said."


http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-10/fear-of-being-called-racist-stopping-people-from-raising-child-abuse-concerns/


"Potential cases of child abuse are not being raised because people fear being labelled racist, a Labour frontbencher has argued. There is a need to acknowledge that the "majority of perpetrators have been British-Pakistani" in the towns and cities where grooming gangs have targeted girls, Sarah Champion has said.
The Labour MP for Rotherham - a town where grooming gangs have previously been exposed - added that the lack of action in highlighting potential cases is because people are "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".


https://www.thejournal.ie/bravalla-festival-cancelled-rape-sexual-assault-2018-3477017-Jul2017/


"SWEDEN’S LARGEST MUSIC festival has been cancelled for 2018 after a number of rapes and sexual assaults were reported at this year’s event...


He said the government was in talks with the police for beefing up surveillance at such events.
Last year, the police were accused of withholding information about alleged sexual assaults against women by young immigrants at a Stockholm summer music festival in 2014 and 2015"

Roger Hassenforder

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I wonder if she had a neighbour such as you who laments her lost light while watching from afar.

Au contraire, I'll be watching from nearby. In fact, she's playing upstairs with my daughter, safe in the knowledge she is welcome in my home irrespective of what she has on her head.
Just after dropping up some sliced apple and a smoothie.

Oh, but as a bigot /victim of the EU how can this be?


You remind me of my sister.
Very liberal, very lefty. lives in Paris (albeit in a very affluent part - few blacks or North Africans as far as i can see when I visit. Used to be very vocal pro immigration , and used to go down with a few similar middle class white female friends to help out at Calais jungle. Organised a lot of charity events to raise funds.

Last few years though, post Charlie Hebdo, post Bataclan, post random attacks we dont hear about, post frequent hassle on public transport she has changed her tune ever so slightly. Less pro immigration utterances on facebook, less active in organising charity events. Now worried about travelling alone on metro alone.
Is thinking of moving back to Dublin.
I cant think what has changed her attitude...

tl:dr cool story bro

Check your quotes re "lost lights


Anyway, you owe me an answer.

Brae100

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

From the link



Would you like more links? Japan has a massive problem with sexual assault on public transport and also with rape.

Japan absolutely has a huge problem with sexual abuse. It is something that has gone unchecked in their society. Different cultures have different issues and we need to be careful not to import the problematic aspects of different cultures.

Interestingly, Japan also has something in common with Islamic countries. Their horrendous record in implementing the Hague Convention on international parental child abduction

Odhinn

2 Scoops wrote: »

Islam isn't a race. ..............

So? Neither was catholicism but that didn't mean Willie Mc Rae or Paisley weren't/aren't bigots.

2 Scoops

Odhinn wrote: »

So? Neither was catholicism but that didn't mean Willie Mc Rae or Paisley weren't/aren't bigots.

In what crazy world are you now labelled a bigot for pointing out the obvious problems immigration from Islamic countries has brought to Europe.

If I'm a bigot then you are a fascist.

2 Scoops

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You remind me of my sister.
Very liberal, very lefty. lives in Paris (albeit in a very affluent part - few blacks or North Africans as far as i can see when I visit. Used to be very vocal pro immigration , and used to go down with a few similar middle class white female friends to help out at Calais jungle. Organised a lot of charity events to raise funds.

Last few years though, post Charlie Hebdo, post Bataclan, post random attacks we dont hear about, post frequent hassle on public transport she has changed her tune ever so slightly. Less pro immigration utterances on facebook, less active in organising charity events. Now worried about travelling alone on metro alone.
Is thinking of moving back to Dublin.
I cant think what has changed her attitude...

And that's what bugs me the most, not to have a dig at your sister, but the loudest advocates very often aren't living in the real world. The UK has 25k jihadi's on a watch list and even that isn't enough to convince some people that there's a serious problem.

I'm done because this has gotten too heated and neither viewpoint will convince the other side.

Captain Obvious

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Au contraire, I'll be watching from nearby. In fact, she's playing upstairs with my daughter, safe in the knowledge she is welcome in my home irrespective of what she has on her head.
Just after dropping up some sliced apple and a smoothie.

Oh, but as a bigot /victim of the EU how can this be?

You remind me of my sister.
Very liberal, very lefty. lives in Paris (albeit in a very affluent part - few blacks or North Africans as far as i can see when I visit. Used to be very vocal pro immigration , and used to go down with a few similar middle class white female friends to help out at Calais jungle. Organised a lot of charity events to raise funds.

Last few years though, post Charlie Hebdo, post Bataclan, post random attacks we dont hear about, post frequent hassle on public transport she has changed her tune ever so slightly. Less pro immigration utterances on facebook, less active in organising charity events. Now worried about travelling alone on metro alone.
Is thinking of moving back to Dublin.
I cant think what has changed her attitude...

tl:dr cool story bro

Check your quotes re "lost lights


Anyway, you owe me an answer.

It's amazing how you have all these people close to you who happen to prove your points.


As to my confidence in what i think will happen, it's based on our society becoming much more secular, women becoming more empowered and educated, and legislative support for those in oppressive situations.

Brae100 wrote: »

Yet. But you want to import those who hold these beliefs. Experience in other countries has shown that they retain these beliefs and are reluctant to assimilate.

You can't just use a sample from a certain area and then say it's all muslims.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

Islam isn't a race. I don't care what you think of me, from the chatham poll among others the majority of people in Europe agree immigration from Islamic countries has brought problems, which is why in recent years you've see the rise of right wing and hard immigration policies rising across Europe.
Sweden continues to not publish their crime statistics based on ethnicity or religion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.a7a3dec55bb0



"More than 2,000 men were allegedly involved, and 120 suspects — about half of them foreign nationals who had only recently arrived in Germany — have been identified.
Only four have been convicted, but more trials are underway.
On Thursday, a court in Cologne sentenced two men in the New Year's Eve assaults. Hussein A., a 21-year-old Iraqi, and Hassan T., a 26-year-old Algerian, were handed suspended one-year sentences. Both arrived in Germany in the past two years, a court spokesman said."


http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-10/fear-of-being-called-racist-stopping-people-from-raising-child-abuse-concerns/


"Potential cases of child abuse are not being raised because people fear being labelled racist, a Labour frontbencher has argued. There is a need to acknowledge that the "majority of perpetrators have been British-Pakistani" in the towns and cities where grooming gangs have targeted girls, Sarah Champion has said.
The Labour MP for Rotherham - a town where grooming gangs have previously been exposed - added that the lack of action in highlighting potential cases is because people are "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".


https://www.thejournal.ie/bravalla-festival-cancelled-rape-sexual-assault-2018-3477017-Jul2017/


"SWEDEN’S LARGEST MUSIC festival has been cancelled for 2018 after a number of rapes and sexual assaults were reported at this year’s event...


He said the government was in talks with the police for beefing up surveillance at such events.
Last year, the police were accused of withholding information about alleged sexual assaults against women by young immigrants at a Stockholm summer music festival in 2014 and 2015"

Still hard finding that definition eh? The word is Bigot.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Still hard finding that definition eh? The word is Bigot.

Nah, it's realist. When all you can do is name call, you've lost the argument.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

Run off to the politics forum, it's a much safer environment for you there.

SnakePlissken

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Thousands of school girls and women are groped/sexually assaulted on public transport every day

2 Scoops wrote: »

Link?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-07/women-subjected-to-daily-trauma-on-tokyo-subway-gropers/8166672

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Ah, the far right approach. If the information is not available then make it up.

So Timberrrrrr's on the far right now? Jaysus I can't keep up.

WinnyThePoo

2 Scoops wrote: »

Nah, it's realist. When all you can do is name call, you've lost the argument.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

Run off to the politics forum, it's a much safer environment for you there.

Do you use bing?,you can find definitions on that aswell. Come on man, you know how to navigate boards. This should be easy.

SnakePlissken

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Your uneducated.

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Im not name callng, your three profiles have a rich history of

Your a bigot. You can't argue that your not.

One who possesses such a poor grasp of both grammar and syntax really has no place calling another poster uneducated.

Sweetemotion

Yes or No.

bazz26

That ship has sailed dude:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057863382

Canis Lupus

Am I stuck in a timewarp?

Sweetemotion

Now with poll

Canis Lupus

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Now with poll

But there's no 'meh' option.

verycool

Number 6.

Madagascan

Though it has brought Europe Cultural Enrichment Barriers.

Cookie_Monster

Islam, like all other religions, is not right for anywhere.